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CCP Antiquarian
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.13 12:59:00 -
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We are the Station Sheen Preservation Society. Empress save Imperial and all the different varieties!**
A recent update to Singularity included initial versions of the new factional station exteriors. 38 factions have chosen to refit their stations (and the stations of subsidiary corporations in which those factions hold controlling interest) with decorated exteriors no longer limited by the strict aesthetics of the Empires. In fact, the Empires themselves have gotten in on the act with Naval and Governmental designs.
While "standard" stations will still exist in game for unaffiliated NPC corps and non-factional conglomerates, a vast number of dockable locations should appear resplendent in owner-dictated livery.
We've done our best to check a representative sampling of the 4000+ factional stations in New Eden, but we also invite all capsuleers to comment on the individual stations they encounter. If you notice a Quafe factory sporting Inner Zone Shipping orange, or an Imperial logo on a Blood Raider outpost, or any issue at all, please file a bug report immediately. You can also let us know about the discrepancy by commenting this thread.
* - Take two! ** - Sorry, Ray. |
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CCP Antiquarian
C C P C C P Alliance
43

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Posted - 2014.05.13 13:10:00 -
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HOLD FAST!
The contractors are still working on a number of the refits, following comments from owners and designers alike. As such, the most prudent course of action for any discerning exterior design critic would be to delay comment until later in the week, following a second, more recent update.
You have my sincerest apologies for this fully automatic starter pistol burst. |
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Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
955
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Posted - 2014.05.13 13:10:00 -
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So I haven't managed to have a full look into the update yet but I had a fly through a few Caldari systems and noticed a couple of odd issues.
Firstly both Caldari Constructions and the Chief Executive Panel stations are painted in Wiyrkomi colours with the Wiyrkomi corporation logo. I believe one of the other Caldari Corporations (possibly Expert Housing) was using Nugoeihuvi colours (the red camo). Personally I feel it would be more lore fitting for corporations without their own skins to just continue using the default colours rather than flying colours of rival business interests (at least for the Caldari State)
I should have some time to investigate more tonight and give better feedback than this, I'm also not as versed in the lore of the corporations for the other Empires so might not pick up on any lore issues there.
Otherwise I REALLY like the look of the new stations and can't wait to have them live in the game, it will really give Empire a nice fresh look with each system/station feeling a little different. Lieutenant Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
I post on my main... shocking I know! |

Droidyk
Maniacal Miners INC No Safe Haven
59
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Posted - 2014.05.13 13:12:00 -
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Hey, they look really amazing, a bug I noticed at Lai Dai Factories is their logo is upside down :). Definitely makes environment more diverse and rich while travelling. Also can't wait for the dynamic landscape. |

Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1386
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Posted - 2014.05.13 13:30:00 -
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now let's talk about giving the tool you guys use to make station variations to us, so we can make our own stations in alliance colors :) GRRR Goons |
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CCP Antiquarian
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.13 14:03:00 -
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Inverted logos are one of the fixes due for arrival later this week. If they still appear next week, we will have words most severe with the house painters.
I'm sure that many megacrops, Caldari Constructions included, would not hesitate to allow their good friends and associates the privilege of using station decoration as means of advertising...for a percentage.
That said, I am making notes for requested adjustments to these arrangements, and will continue to record these comments for those more suitably situated in the decision making process to judge accordingly.
Your voices are heard. |
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6231
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Posted - 2014.05.13 14:03:00 -
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Ooh! Anyone able to provide pictures for the Sisi-challenged?
And yes-- dynamic landscape. Do want. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |

JetCord
People of Random Nature
40
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Posted - 2014.05.13 14:17:00 -
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is there any pic for us to see? (have not yet patch the test server)  |

Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
955
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Posted - 2014.05.13 14:18:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Ooh! Anyone able to provide pictures for the Sisi-challenged?
And yes-- dynamic landscape. Do want. Once I finished this Epic Arc mission I'll be spending some time on SiSi looking over the stations in full and writing up which stations I feel are not working within the lore. I'll try and take some screenshots and make an Imgur album as well. Lieutenant Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
I post on my main... shocking I know! |

Wey'oun
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
162
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Posted - 2014.05.13 14:20:00 -
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CCP Antiquarian wrote:I'm sure that many megacrops.
Eve has genetic modification now?! |
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CCP Antiquarian
C C P C C P Alliance
43

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Posted - 2014.05.13 14:25:00 -
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You thought Imperial agricultural science relied on random mutation and simple splicing to develop that glorious Amarrian Wheat?
Mega. Crop.
(Just kidding. Never been tampered with. Ever.)
Which, to stay on topic, may be grown in a station featuring a new factional exterior upon which I sincerely invite all of you to comment. |
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gfldex
698
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Posted - 2014.05.13 14:49:00 -
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CCP Antiquarian wrote:we also invite all capsuleers to comment on the individual stations they encounter.
The stations in Delve are a bloody mess!
If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain. |

Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
500
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Posted - 2014.05.13 14:52:00 -
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...Dynamic landscape?
What is 'dynamic landscape'? It's come up multiple times in this thread and it sounds interesting. |

Droidyk
Maniacal Miners INC No Safe Haven
59
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Posted - 2014.05.13 14:57:00 -
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Aglais wrote:...Dynamic landscape?
What is 'dynamic landscape'? It's come up multiple times in this thread and it sounds interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiKGaXuYxiU
Here you go. |

Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6233
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Posted - 2014.05.13 14:58:00 -
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Aglais; system traffic/production indicators. I need to watch this years' art panel, but it's something they're wanting to do to make the environment more, well, dynamic.
Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |

Noriko Mai
1350
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Posted - 2014.05.13 15:19:00 -
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- Expert Distribution, Modern Finances and Nogueihuvi are the same (all ugly as hell
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- Intaki and Impetus look nice. Impetus, Material Aquisition and Quafe are the same.
- Alliastra and TransStellar shiping are the same
- Joint Harvesting and Khanid look almost the same (except a little red area)
- Khanid is far to dark (I can barely see 90% of the station)
- Mordus Legion has normal gallente stations
- The Gallente Logistics Station doesn't seem to have different variants at all
- The light reflevtion on the Caldari Administrative Station is far to bright
- Sansha's Nation is pretty underwhelming (seems to be all standard)
All in all I can only find about 5 different stations per main faction. And most of them look very similar  |

Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
461
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Posted - 2014.05.13 15:30:00 -
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Turelus wrote:Firstly both Caldari Constructions and the Chief Executive Panel stations are painted in Wiyrkomi colours with the Wiyrkomi corporation logo. I believe one of the other Caldari Corporations (possibly Expert Housing) was using Nugoeihuvi colours (the red camo). Personally I feel it would be more lore fitting for corporations without their own skins to just continue using the default colours rather than flying colours of rival business interests (at least for the Caldari State)
I fancy myself fairly well versed in EVE lore, especially Caldari lore. Expert Housing and Expert Distribution are NOH subsidiaries. Also Expert Intervention, but that's the DUST corp.
From in game show info... (I showed the important parts)
Expert Housing Expert Housing was founded at the same time as Expert Distribution, but the two sibling companies have fared very differently.
Expert Distribution The Expert brand... Part of the NOH family...
Expert Intervention Expert Intervention is the latest business launched under the NOH megacorporation's Expert brand...
It's not clear if Caldari Constructions is a subsidiary or independent corp. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6233
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Posted - 2014.05.13 15:49:00 -
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Also, how do Ishukone stations look? The Rhea, for instance, looks entirely too dark at present as it lacks the gradient that lightens up the Eagle, Buzzard, etc.
Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |

Noriko Mai
1350
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Posted - 2014.05.13 15:57:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Also, how do Ishukone stations look? The Rhea, for instance, looks entirely too dark at present as it lacks the gradient that lightens up the Eagle, Buzzard, etc.
They are as ugly as the Rhea link |

Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
461
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Posted - 2014.05.13 16:01:00 -
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Noriko Mai wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:Also, how do Ishukone stations look? The Rhea, for instance, looks entirely too dark at present as it lacks the gradient that lightens up the Eagle, Buzzard, etc.
They are as ugly as the Rhea link
The Rhea looks nice, but it's sporting a non-standard Ishukone skin. The normal Ishukone skin is dark metal in the front and transition to gold in the back. The Rhea has a dark color with a gold Ishukone logo and gold stripes fading to dark metal.
EDIT: I like the Rhea non-standard Ishukone skin, but it looks a bit too much like Lai Dai's skin. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
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Isbariya
Thundercats The Initiative.
81
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Posted - 2014.05.13 16:05:00 -
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So where are our faction captains quarters then? I'd love to take a look at a Sansha or Bloodraider station interior ;-) |

Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
956
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Posted - 2014.05.13 16:05:00 -
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So if my initial observations are correct it seems we have the following skins for Caldari stations.
Caldari Navy - Caldari Navy, Minedrill, Spaceline Patrol Caldari State (Black with Gold Logo) - Caldari Business Tribunal, Caldari Funds Unlimited, State Protectorate, State War Acadamy, State and Region Bank. CBD Corporation - CBD Corporation, CBD Sell Division, Poksu Mineral Group, Rapid Assembly. Hyasyoda Corporation - Caldari Provisions, Corporate Police Force, Hyasyoda. Ishukone Corporation - Caldari Steel, Ishukone, Ishukone Watch, Propel Dynamics. Kaalakiota Corporation - Echelon Entertainment, Homeguard, Kaalakiota, Ytiri. Lai Dai Corporation - Lai Dai, Lai Dai Protection Service. Nugoeihuvi Corporation - Expert Distribution, Expert Housing, Mercantile Club, Modern Finances, Nugoeihuvi. Sukuuvestaa Corporation - Perkone, Sukuuvestaa. Wiyrkomi Corporation - Caldari Constructions, Chief Executive Panel, Wyirkomi, Wyirkomi Peace Corps.
Old/Default - Deep Core Mining, House of Records, Peace and Order Unit, Prompt Delivery, School of Applied Knowledge, Science and Trade Institute, Top Down, Zero-G Research Firm,
Changes that I feel would be more lore fitting.
- The Chief Executive Panel stations really need to be unaffiliated skins, most likely the black/gold State ones.
- Internal Security could do with flying the NOH colours as they're that mega-corps police force.
- Peace and Order Unit could do with flying the SuVee colours as they're that mega-corps police force.
- Spaceline Patrol should be switched from Caldari Navy to CBD as they're that mega-corps police force.
- Minedrill while originally affiliate with the Caldari Navy doesn't really represent them any more, it might be better suited to have them use neutral stations keeping the Caldari Navy ones exclusively for the Navy.
- The following corporations have no major affiliations to mega-corporations and should probably be using the standard skin; Poksu Mineral Group, Rapid Assembly, Caldari Provisions, Caldari Steel, Propel Dynamics, Ytiri, Mercantile Club, Modern Finances, Perkone, Caldari Constructions.
For those interested in what the main Caldari stations look like please check the link HERE. Sorry for the darkness in some of them the preview lighting isn't very good.
Markku Laaksonen wrote: I fancy myself fairly well versed in EVE lore, especially Caldari lore. Expert Housing and Expert Distribution are NOH subsidiaries. Also Expert Intervention, but that's the DUST corp.
This was a derp on my part, to make sure I don't look stupid again I have double checked each corporations in-game entry to make sure they're not obvious partners or subsidiaries, if you notice any mistakes please feel free to correct me. :) Lieutenant Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
I post on my main... shocking I know! |

Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6233
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Posted - 2014.05.13 16:26:00 -
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CEP definitely shouldn't be in Wiyr skins. I'd recommend the generic, the black-and-gold Caldari State, or the Navy skins.
Also, Caldari Constructions-- wasn't that a KK subsidiary? Isn't that how Heth ended up being tapped for KK CEO? Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |

Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
957
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Posted - 2014.05.13 16:54:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Also, Caldari Constructions-- wasn't that a KK subsidiary? Isn't that how Heth ended up being tapped for KK CEO? I was asking some friends that myself but it's been a long time since I read Empyrean Age and couldn't remember if they were just working with them or actual subsidiary.
I tried to do as best breakdown as I could but I'll admit I'm not the most versed in EVE lore (as hard as I try to be). I feel kind of bad I can't really comment on any errors there might be in regards to the other factions. Lieutenant Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
I post on my main... shocking I know! |

Victor Terona
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.05.13 16:56:00 -
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Noriko Mai wrote:
- Expert Distribution, Modern Finances and Nogueihuvi are the same (all ugly as hell
)
- Intaki and Impetus look nice. Impetus, Material Aquisition and Quafe are the same.
- Alliastra and TransStellar shiping are the same
- Joint Harvesting and Khanid look almost the same (except a little red area)
- Khanid is far to dark (I can barely see 90% of the station)
- Mordus Legion has normal gallente stations
- The Gallente Logistics Station doesn't seem to have different variants at all
- The light reflevtion on the Caldari Administrative Station is far to bright
- Sansha's Nation is pretty underwhelming (seems to be all standard)
All in all I can only find about 5 different stations per main faction. And most of them look very similar 
Doesn't look like they changed the Sansha stations sadly =/, but as far as the Khanid statiosn go they look fantastic. I can see them just fine. Why is the black on the Khanid station look 1000% better than the black on Khanid ships. Seems like the ships are borked. |

bassie12bf1
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
45
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:12:00 -
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The station in Malkalen looks to be fully repaired, yet the one in Yulai is still as broken as ever.
I haven't even noticed any logos till I looked at one of the bigger minmatar stations. |

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
1183
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:30:00 -
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Paintjobs associated with different Amarr corporations: Default Amarr - Carthum, Further Foodstuffs, HZO Refinery, Hedion University, Inherent Implants, Noble Appliances, Royal Amarr Institute, Viziam Amarr Navy - Imperial Navy, Minstry of Assessment, Ministry of Internal Order, Ministry of War Ardishapur - Ardishapur Family, Court Chamberlain - Court Chamberlain Imperial - 24th Imperial Crusade, Amarr Certified News, Amarr Civil Service, Amarr Trade Registry, Civic Court, Emperor Family, Imperial Academy, Imperial Armaments, Imperial Chancellor, Imperial Shipment, Theology Council Kador - Amarr Constructions, Kador Family Khanid - All Khanid corps (Innovation, Navy, Transport, Works), Ducia Foundry, Zoar and Sons Kor-Azor - Kor-Azor Family Sarum - Sarum Family Tash-Murkon - Joint Harvesting, Nurtura, Tash-Murkon Family
The biggest thing that jumps out of me here is that Carthum and Viziam stations use the default Amarr coloring scheme, but their ships use colors similar to Sarum and Ardishapur respectively. They also clearly have their own paint schemes; why are they not using them on their stations? Morwen Lagann CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar |

Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3200
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Posted - 2014.05.14 02:03:00 -
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Gallente President, Senate, and Supreme Court should all use Federal Issue skin, because they are the actual Federation government.
Bank of Luminaire and Federal Freight should use default OR other skin, because they are not part of the Federal administration. They are independent companies.
ALL Militias should use Navy skin. i.e. State Protectorate should be Caldari Navy skin. FDU should be Federation Navy skin. etc. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |

Aikar Nahrnid
Hedion University Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2014.05.14 10:32:00 -
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It's all good, of course, but can we ever hope to see station faction INTERIORS in far, or not so far, future? (at least ship hangars) It will bring much more immersion, I think. |

Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2632
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Posted - 2014.05.15 13:07:00 -
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just an idea - don't know how difficult it would be (maybe its really easy you never know), maybe it would be possible to make stations change color if facwar sov changes. Or at least the banner gets crossed out or something similar. eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |

Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
336
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Posted - 2014.05.15 14:47:00 -
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Haven't had the chance to check on Sisi but please don't forget about Khanid Kingdom :) |

Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
540
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Posted - 2014.05.16 00:39:00 -
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Carthum should use the Sarum style, and Viziam should use the Ardishapur style, instead of the Default Amarr style. |

Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3210
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Posted - 2014.05.16 18:57:00 -
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CCP Antiquarian wrote:I'm sure that many megacorps, Caldari Constructions included, would not hesitate to allow their good friends and associates the privilege of using station decoration as means of advertising...for a percentage.
That said, I am making notes for requested adjustments to these arrangements, and will continue to record these comments for those more suitably situated in the decision making process to judge accordingly.
Your voices are heard.
The following comment may seem harsh, because I am a roleplayer.
The entire purpose of this graphical change is for immersion. People want to see the colors of the NPC Corporations on their stations. People also (presumably) want those colors to make sense. If they don't make sense, roleplayers will probably be the first to tell you.
It's not just opinions that we're voicing, Antiquarian. It's established fiction that CCP (not us) has already written. Caldari Constructions is owned by Kaalakiota. That's how Tibus Heth became CEO of Kaalakiota, because he stole CEO position of Caldari Constructions (and then its parent corporation).
So, with that established lore already in place, why must we insist on excusing and rationalizing a contradictory choice, when a better and frankly obvious choice already exists? We know CCP takes lore seriously. We know YOU take lore seriously (you used to be one of us).
Don't encourage or enable the habit of making excuses for a job that could simply be done correctly the first time around. Practice proper workmanship, as we have come to expect and respect from CCP.
Let's get it done right the first time.
ALL THAT BEING SAID: I appreciate that you're taking notes and passing on our voices. I know you're doing your best, and I trust you. I just wanted you to be careful when joking around like that. There have been times in the past when that attitude towards lore conflict has decidedly not been a joke. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |

Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
365
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Posted - 2014.05.16 20:15:00 -
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I can only agree there with Kat! Please tap the resources you already put work into, rather then making up new things that contradict the established facts, |

Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices Masters of Flying Objects
738
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Posted - 2014.05.17 06:14:00 -
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Wrong or missing logos-
Found in Suroken
Propel dynamics Factory Spaceline patrol Assembly Plant Core Complexion Inc.
If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide
See you around the universe. |

Rhavas
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
296
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Posted - 2014.05.17 06:26:00 -
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Did a little 70-ish jump tour of New Eden this evening.
- Jita 4-4 has clearly been updated - subtle but nice.
- Minmatar stations appear unchanged vs TQ, sporting base Minnie colors and logos at Hek (Boundless), Aldrat (Pator Tech) and Eram (Eifyr station and AJ Site One stations)
- Dodixie trade hub is clearly upgraded - the black is sort of foreboding but cool.
- Amarr Emperor Family trade hub looks really nice. Blindingly shiny!
- Malkalen Ishukone paint is subtle but attractive ("gold leaves"). Is Malkalen's old ruined station getting some custom tweaks or is it officially "fully repaired" as of Kronos?
- Yulai CONCORD Bureau looks awesome. Did it get totally redone for V3 last time out or is the paint job new this round?
- FDZ4-A SOCT - Does not appear changed. Was SOCT skipped?
- There is still no ruined station at Roua 10-2 (See "The Great Harvest" Chronicle). This makes me sad.
Author of Interstellar Privateer Shattered Planets, Wormholes and Game Commentary |

Nicola Arman
Mining and Explorations Nuevo Imperio Galactico
37
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Posted - 2014.05.17 14:25:00 -
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The orange Caldari stations look silly... |

Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
968
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Posted - 2014.05.17 14:46:00 -
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Rhavas wrote:Did a little 70-ish jump tour of New Eden this evening.
- Malkalen Ishukone paint is subtle but attractive ("gold leaves"). Is Malkalen's old ruined station getting some custom tweaks
It better be bloody repaired by now, five years is more than enough time to fix a station. As someone else said before it takes two-three months to build a Titan but stations take years to repair. If CCP want to have a monument off the undock with an ever burning torch or something to keep notice that the station is/was an important event in EVE's history that's cool, but let's just patch it up for good and pretend it didn't take them as long as it did.
Lieutenant Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
I post on my main... shocking I know! |

Dr Prometheus
Gears of Construction Gears Confederation
89
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Posted - 2014.05.17 21:42:00 -
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So far i did not see any wrong coloring, but i do have some few suggestions/remarks;
Stations
Kaalakiota stations
All Kaalakiote Ships are painted with the big red "lines" acros the ships, (Nighthawk, Widow, Flycatcher etc.) This should imho also be added to the station skins to make them inline.
Amarr stations
They seem to miss the logo`s of the factions.
Suggestions
- Skin the stargates to the current faction colors (Not all but for example, Sarum Prime system would have red/gold colored jumpgates.)
- Next to the standard concord/faction NPC ships, also add some with the colors of the current "habbitants" of the system. (So in case of Sarum Prime, add also some Red/Gold NPC Ships.)
For example, i see some Amarr Customs generals in standard (Capsuleer) But the Amarr Customs Survailance Officer is in a Amarr Navy Slicer. Try to make these look as one (All Navy style or Faction colored or something.)
Dude, where is my Charon? |

TheSmokingHertog
TALIBAN EXPRESS
227
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Posted - 2014.05.18 07:22:00 -
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23:50 |
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CCP Antiquarian
C C P C C P Alliance
69

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Posted - 2014.05.19 14:43:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote: The following comment may seem harsh, because I am a roleplayer....
None of that seems harsh, and this type of feedback is why we have Test Servers and threads like this one. We are all making the world of Eve, and that should be fun for everyone.
Re: Caldari Constructions/Kaalakiota/Wiyrkomi
This is both a lore and art move. We want to encourage visual variety while offering opportunities for deeper immersion. As there are nearly twice as many Kaalakiota Stations as Wiyrkomi, this is a good way to keep that ideal.
According to Lore, Heth's denunciation and historic association with Caldari Constructions has had a impact on the value of CC real estate. As Kaalakiota has more than 170 other stations, taking money from a friendly non-rival for the privilege of rebranding an undesirable subsidiary is a smart move that simultaneously suggests distance and increases capital.
Both KK and Wiyrkomi are patriotic bloc megacorps. The Seituoda family is known to be in pursuit of diversification, though has not yet been particularly successful in that regard. To help advance their high-end market goals, Wiyrkomi has paid for the higher profile. Constructions took the branding, and Kaalakiota approved.
Many of the other changes suggested here should appearing on Sisi in the next few days. We hope you'll keep an eye out for other suggestions that haven't been addressed. |
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Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
968
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Posted - 2014.05.19 17:08:00 -
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CCP Antiquarian wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote: The following comment may seem harsh, because I am a roleplayer....
None of that seems harsh, and this type of feedback is why we have Test Servers and threads like this one. We are all making the world of Eve, and that should be fun for everyone. Re: Caldari Constructions/Kaalakiota/Wiyrkomi This is both a lore and art move. We want to encourage visual variety while offering opportunities for deeper immersion. As there are nearly twice as many Kaalakiota Stations as Wiyrkomi, this is a good way to keep that ideal. According to Lore, Heth's denunciation and historic association with Caldari Constructions has had a impact on the value of CC real estate. As Kaalakiota has more than 170 other stations, taking money from a friendly non-rival for the privilege of rebranding an undesirable subsidiary is a smart move that simultaneously suggests distance and increases capital. Both KK and Wiyrkomi are patriotic bloc megacorps. The Seituoda family is known to be in pursuit of diversification, though has not yet been particularly successful in that regard. To help advance their high-end market goals, Wiyrkomi has paid for the higher profile. Constructions took the branding, and Kaalakiota approved. Many of the other changes suggested here should appearing on Sisi in the next few days. We hope you'll keep an eye out for other suggestions that haven't been addressed.
I'm happy to see the feedback being submitted is being read over and taken on in some cases. I'm a little miffed about the KK/WK stuff because this seems like once again the lore is being made up/rewritten because CCP wants to make a change which doesn't work unless they do this. It makes sense in some cases to advance the story or create new features but this is as you said (if I understand correctly) that you just wanted more of x type of station skin to be around so you had to make up a reason why Caldari Constructions would suddenly have all their stations painted in a new colour.
If you want the change why not go all the way and write a nice lore piece about Wiyrkomi buying up Caldari Constructions as a whole, it would allow you to move forward with the graphical changes, give the players something to read and make the lore/story feel like things are still happening. Lieutenant Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
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SpaceSaft
Sub Par. The East India Co.
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Posted - 2014.05.19 22:17:00 -
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Hey I'm zooming around a bit right now, and I like the stations a lot!
But I do have to say there is a mismatch between exterior and interior. In some aprils fools video you joked about interior design but it's kind of something you should do when you're modifying the exterior so heavily.
To be frank the more uniform the corp look, the more boring and out of the place the skin looks. For example the completely green "republic" skin. Also the unicolor skins are too shiny in my opinion. Makes some minmatar stations look like they are coated in copper, which might look cool but would be ridiculously expensive and not very practical. They need some space dirt .
In contrast to that the ones that have patterns in them look really good.
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Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.21 08:51:00 -
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So.... this kinda belongs here, and kinda doesn't.
But the Sansha stations in Stain.... any chance of replacing them with some of the cool Sansha Battlestation models found in certain missions?
They are highly, highly factional stations and right now it seems silly they carry the banners of every other faction in the game but their own. |

Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
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Posted - 2014.05.21 09:59:00 -
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Kuronaga wrote:So.... this kinda belongs here, and kinda doesn't.
But the Sansha stations in Stain.... any chance of replacing them with some of the cool Sansha Battlestation models found in certain missions?
They are highly, highly factional stations and right now it seems silly they carry the banners of every other faction in the game but their own. I think this is the same for a lot of the NPC Pirate factions, maybe it is something that can be looked at improving in future. I'll note I didn't check the all the pirate factions so I'll have to do that shortly but it would be nice to see each Pirate (or I should say no Empire) faction flying their own colours or even station models if art ever had time. Lieutenant Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.05.21 10:40:00 -
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Turelus wrote:If you want the change why not go all the way and write a nice lore piece about Wiyrkomi buying up Caldari Constructions as a whole, it would allow you to move forward with the graphical changes, give the players something to read and make the lore/story feel like things are still happening.
Seeing as KK already sold off Echelon Entertainment, this would make sense. They could sell off Caldari Constructions as well. |

Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2014.05.21 21:50:00 -
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CCP Antiquarian wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote: The following comment may seem harsh, because I am a roleplayer....
None of that seems harsh, and this type of feedback is why we have Test Servers and threads like this one. We are all making the world of Eve, and that should be fun for everyone. Re: Caldari Constructions/Kaalakiota/Wiyrkomi ... Many of the other changes suggested here should appearing on Sisi in the next few days. We hope you'll keep an eye out for other suggestions that haven't been addressed.
Fair enough. I actually had not consisdered/remembered that KK had sold off several major assets. Quietly getting rid of Caldari Constructions seems like a plausible concept. Regardless, as Turelus hinted at, retconning lore to fit development is already a necessary evil - let's not add to it where we don't need to. This case is one of those few cases where a sensible lore update can be worked in, rather than a retcon.
Anyways, good job on taking feedback. Despite any lore quibbles, the artwork and changes look good.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |

Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.22 06:01:00 -
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Turelus wrote:Kuronaga wrote:So.... this kinda belongs here, and kinda doesn't.
But the Sansha stations in Stain.... any chance of replacing them with some of the cool Sansha Battlestation models found in certain missions?
They are highly, highly factional stations and right now it seems silly they carry the banners of every other faction in the game but their own. I think this is the same for a lot of the NPC Pirate factions, maybe it is something that can be looked at improving in future. I'll note I didn't check the all the pirate factions so I'll have to do that shortly but it would be nice to see each Pirate (or I should say no Empire) faction flying their own colours or even station models if art ever had time. *Edit Okay some some of the Pirate ones are done like Gurista skins on the Caldari stations, missing on Gallente stations which is a shame but this is a tech issue?
In the case of Sansha there doesn't even need to be a re-skin. Working models already exist. All that really needs to be for someone to attach an exit hookpoint in the programming for ships to undock.
Very minimal workload compared to the other stations, but it has consistently been overlooked throughout the years :/ |
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