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CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 10025	Posted - 2014.05.14 11:40:00 - [1] - Quote Hey everyone. SISI is now updated with the new Prospect expedition frigate that was announced in this dev blog. We're seeding the ship and the skill required to fly it (Expedition Frigates) on the market so you can give it a try! The changes to low-sec mining anomalies that were also announced in that dev blog are also in this SISI build, however the changes to the mineral composition of high-end ores will be coming in Crius instead of Kronos and therefore is not in this build. This thread will be the place to post feedback from your testing of the Prospect and/or the lowsec mining sites. Thanks! Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/

Maichin Civire Ultramar Independent Contracting Advanced Amateurs 21	Posted - 2014.05.14 12:01:00 - [2] - Quote I've got a question about POS changes, as these are very close to industry. With Kronos, we should be possible to anchor towers in high sec, nevermind how good (or bad) are our standings with empires. Is this also getting delayed?
Kniht Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck 49	Posted - 2014.05.14 12:09:00 - [3] - Quote Should Industry V be a prereq for Expedition Frigates (as it currently is on SISI)? Mining IV (or V) seems a more natural choice, as it affects mining rather than build-time. Astrogeology III or IV, perhaps. How about using Cloaking 4 as a prereq? (It's essentially one anyway, for covops cloaks; similar to TWR for dreads.)
Kniht Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck 50	Posted - 2014.05.14 12:21:00 - [4] - Quote Maichin Civire wrote: I've got a question about POS changes, as these are very close to industry. With Kronos, we should be possible to anchor towers in high sec, nevermind how good (or bad) are our standings with empires. Is this also getting delayed? I don't have the link, but I remember reading that's pushed with the other changes.

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 10025	Posted - 2014.05.14 12:39:00 - [5] - Quote Maichin Civire wrote: I've got a question about POS changes, as these are very close to industry. With Kronos, we should be possible to anchor towers in high sec, nevermind how good (or bad) are our standings with empires. Is this also getting delayed? That change is now scheduled for Crius, with the rest of the industry changes. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/

Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 2872	Posted - 2014.05.14 12:48:00 - [6] - Quote Could you separate out the two issues into their own threads? On the Prospect, I ran numbers in the other thread and came to the conclusion that a gank link boosted, sigrad reduction implant Prospect can basically speed tank a destroyer that is fitted for tracking. Can someone please investigate if this is true? Catalyst fit was election blasters with antimatter, one tracking computer, one warp scram, two magstabs and a local repair module, and the Prospect was orbiting at 1000m radius and using an afterburner. Also on live I have been buying election blasters in anticipation of this ship being hard to track... Set the universe on fire - then sell the survivors ash. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com.
Altrue Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective 1162	Posted - 2014.05.14 15:23:00 - [7] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Could you separate out the two issues into their own threads? On the Prospect, I ran numbers in the other thread and came to the conclusion that a gank link boosted, sigrad reduction implant Prospect can basically speed tank a destroyer that is fitted for tracking. Can someone please investigate if this is true? Catalyst fit was election blasters with antimatter, one tracking computer, one warp scram, two magstabs and a local repair module, and the Prospect was orbiting at 1000m radius and using an afterburner. Also on live I have been buying election blasters in anticipation of this ship being hard to track... So you mean that a T2 ship under gang links and with a full implant set, would actually be able to speed tank the upper class that costs three times less than the prospect itself ? How is that surprising? Signature Tanking - Best Tanking. Beware the french guy!
Markku Laaksonen EVE University Ivy League 461	Posted - 2014.05.15 05:28:00 - [8] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Could you separate out the two issues into their own threads? On the Prospect, I ran numbers in the other thread and came to the conclusion that a gank link boosted, sigrad reduction implant Prospect can basically speed tank a destroyer that is fitted for tracking. Can someone please investigate if this is true? Catalyst fit was election blasters with antimatter, one tracking computer, one warp scram, two magstabs and a local repair module, and the Prospect was orbiting at 1000m radius and using an afterburner. Also on live I have been buying election blasters in anticipation of this ship being hard to track... Destroy those dirty miners with your Gallente democracy guns! The word is 'electron'. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=047203f1-4124-42a1-b36f-39ca8ae5d6e2&action=buddy
TheButcherPete Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension 431	Posted - 2014.05.15 15:42:00 - [9] - Quote The CPU on the Prospect is kinda low, but I sort of t2'd all the things :3 THE KING OF EVE RADIO If EVE is real, does that mean all of us are RMTrs?
Soldarius Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore 682	Posted - 2014.05.15 18:49:00 - [10] - Quote Markku Laaksonen wrote: Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Could you separate out the two issues into their own threads? On the Prospect, I ran numbers in the other thread and came to the conclusion that a gank link boosted, sigrad reduction implant Prospect can basically speed tank a destroyer that is fitted for tracking. Can someone please investigate if this is true? Catalyst fit was election blasters with antimatter, one tracking computer, one warp scram, two magstabs and a local repair module, and the Prospect was orbiting at 1000m radius and using an afterburner. Also on live I have been buying election blasters in anticipation of this ship being hard to track... Destroy those dirty miners with your Gallente democracy guns! The word is 'electron'. Giving you all my upvotes GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥ -Grath Telkin, 2014.

Dark Drifter Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 127	Posted - 2014.05.16 09:25:00 - [11] - Quote seems well designed in most aspects. however. it has no defence (where NPCs are conserned) give it back its drone bay and bandwipth. allow it to use 1 or 2 light drones (unbonused)
Shiori Yamazaki Uranus Intruders 0	Posted - 2014.05.16 09:33:00 - [12] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Could you separate out the two issues into their own threads? On the Prospect, I ran numbers in the other thread and came to the conclusion that a gank link boosted, sigrad reduction implant Prospect can basically speed tank a destroyer that is fitted for tracking. Can someone please investigate if this is true? Catalyst fit was election blasters with antimatter, one tracking computer, one warp scram, two magstabs and a local repair module, and the Prospect was orbiting at 1000m radius and using an afterburner. Also on live I have been buying election blasters in anticipation of this ship being hard to track... T2 frigate speed tanking a T1 destroyer? Working as intended for me. If a miner flying a Prospector knows how to evade your guns, where to orbit, which weapon ranges to avoid and all that combat stuff, why he should not win the battle against you? You know, this is EVE. You should be taking risks even when you decide to go stalking miners.
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2671	Posted - 2014.05.16 13:58:00 - [13] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Could you separate out the two issues into their own threads? On the Prospect, I ran numbers in the other thread and came to the conclusion that a gank link boosted, sigrad reduction implant Prospect can basically speed tank a destroyer that is fitted for tracking. Can someone please investigate if this is true? Catalyst fit was election blasters with antimatter, one tracking computer, one warp scram, two magstabs and a local repair module, and the Prospect was orbiting at 1000m radius and using an afterburner. Also on live I have been buying election blasters in anticipation of this ship being hard to track... Wrong tool for the job. What you want is a Thrasher, and you fit a web. If you insist on a Catalyst, then you bring two; one with a web, one with a scram. In either case, a web is more helpful to you than a tracking computer. Unless you're discussing some kind of suicide gank nonsense; in which case this dies as easily as anything else. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today.
Kanzlerin Mintaki The Gamespotters 0	Posted - 2014.05.16 15:08:00 - [14] - Quote I like them, but are you sure having 3 rig slots on a t2 ship is correct?
Je'ron The Happy Shooters 1	Posted - 2014.05.16 19:14:00 - [15] - Quote I've been looking at the Prospect stats. Here is some feedback - Volume 50.000 m3. Shouldn't that be 29.500 m3 same as venture - Drone capacity/bandwidth 0 m3 / 0 mbit/sec. Should be at least 10 m3/ 10 mbit/sec (venture) to give it some defensive weapons capabilties, because with 2 mining lasers and a cloak as high you don't have any (sacrificing 50% mining capacity is likely a too high price) - Prospect isn't in ISIS, would have expected it under ORE, above Venture
Jelani Akinyemi Affonso Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 71	Posted - 2014.05.16 21:34:00 - [16] - Quote Kniht wrote: Should Industry V be a prereq for Expedition Frigates (as it currently is on SISI)? Mining IV (or V) seems a more natural choice, as it affects mining rather than build-time. Astrogeology III or IV, perhaps. How about using Cloaking 4 as a prereq? (It's essentially one anyway, for covops cloaks; similar to TWR for dreads.) I do not understand why you need industry V to fly this ship. This does not make any sense because Industry does not have any relevance on ship performance. Plz reconsider this. Also just because I mine doesn't mean that I partake in manufacturing.
Kuldrek Culduvere Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.05.18 04:15:00 - [17] - Quote Also, there is no listing for it's "packed" size. When I went on Sisi and checked out one I bought there, the size was 50,000m3 even in packed mode.
Skullian Lonely Solo 3	Posted - 2014.05.18 08:52:00 - [18] - Quote Yeah - I'm gonna have to request the addition of some drones here. Mining in low/null sec is dangerous enough without having to be bothered being chased out of a belt by a couple NPC frigates. That kind of sucks the fun out of it really.
Je'ron The Happy Shooters 2	Posted - 2014.05.18 09:29:00 - [19] - Quote Inventing for the Prospect requires Gallentean Starship Engineering and Mechanical Engineering, manufacturing the Prospects requires Gallentean Starship Engineering and Plasma Physics (in addition to other skills). To me the Plasma Physics requirement looks wrong; normally the additional invention science skills match those for manufacturing, the Prospect doesn't have anything like blasters or plasma missiles justify the need for it for manufacturing and Mechanical Engineering is "used in all Starship research as well as hull and armor repair systems" which would make it very logical to include it as a requirement for manufacturing a ship like the Prospect. Is the Plasma Physiscs requirement an error or intentional?
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2697	Posted - 2014.05.18 16:11:00 - [20] - Quote Skullian wrote: Yeah - I'm gonna have to request the addition of some drones here. Mining in low/null sec is dangerous enough without having to be bothered being chased out of a belt by a couple NPC frigates. That kind of sucks the fun out of it really. I can tank belt rats all day long in a Venture; why can't you do it in the T2 variant? Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today.

Xindi Kraid Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 772	Posted - 2014.05.18 21:44:00 - [21] - Quote Wish there were a T2 skill bonus for gas harvesters.
Ariel Rin Cerberus Federation Rebel Alliance of New Eden 4	Posted - 2014.05.20 00:05:00 - [22] - Quote Not understanding the hatred for industry 5 requirement Industry 5 is 3 days 11hours mapped with +3's (as all good miners in training should be) not to mention it is a required skill for mining barges... - note i do think this is a problem, but a greater issue at hand with mining skill progression lastly, its a covert ops mining frigate, forgive me but the words tanky don'y exactly come to mind when i form that sentence in my head Ariel Rin Creaming Soda
Pantorus Necraliss Giza'Msafara 51	Posted - 2014.05.20 08:59:00 - [23] - Quote Hi, - this ship bellow to the Resource Processing skill tree and not the Production skill tree, so as requirement Industry Lev 5 need to be change for Mining Lev 5 - as T2 ship 3 rig slot is too much, perfer 2 slot - not sure about drones, 2 T2 drones are not suffisant to kill low sec rats but can allow e-war drones that could bring some interessant gameplay. Also if it's used to tackle a target, having drones allow him to shoot hostile drones to make him survive a bit longer. I'll say yes Prospect need drones. - He miss the Gallente T2 resists that he don't have for moment, even with the way bigger armor (175 T1 -> 600 T2) and shield (225 T1 -> 800 T2) you gave them - Why did the ship's volume is increased that much ? 50 000m3 T2 compared of 29 500 m3 T1 version, it's huge - What will be the packaged size ? It's not writed in the attribute, for moment they take 50 000 m3 even packaged
Cabult 0103 Blastphemy. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 4	Posted - 2014.05.23 15:05:00 - [24] - Quote Pantorus Necraliss wrote: Hi, - this ship bellow to the Resource Processing skill tree and not the Production skill tree, so as requirement Industry Lev 5 need to be change for Mining Lev 5 - as T2 ship 3 rig slot is too much, perfer 2 slot - not sure about drones, 2 T2 drones are not suffisant to kill low sec rats but can allow e-war drones that could bring some interessant gameplay. Also if it's used to tackle a target, having drones allow him to shoot hostile drones to make him survive a bit longer. I'll say yes Prospect need drones. - He miss the Gallente T2 resists that he don't have for moment, even with the way bigger armor (175 T1 -> 600 T2) and shield (225 T1 -> 800 T2) you gave them - Why did the ship's volume is increased that much ? 50 000m3 T2 compared of 29 500 m3 T1 version, it's huge - What will be the packaged size ? It's not writed in the attribute, for moment they take 50 000 m3 even packaged i do believe that the cpu is a little low due to the extra 3 lows. it is really restricting the PVP ability of the ship amount of rig slots 3 sweet ccp is hooking up a t2. no drones hmmm that might be a bother when you go to CLOAK. cant be ganked by a catalyst im sure the miners that will be using this ship will use your tears as lube. you hisec gankers have tuns of skills let me tell you. i think that all hisec gankers need a high five to the face with a chair.
Horus H'kaan Grand Theft Enyo 19	Posted - 2014.05.28 19:04:00 - [25] - Quote I think all it needs is the Venture's 10m3/10mbit drone bay and bandwidth back and it's good to go. Everything else seems solid, but the lack of drones doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Without the ability to kill a scramming frigate rat in nullsec belts how is it meant to ninja mine? Unless you mean to force it to drop a mining laser to take a gun, which seems very counter-intuitive. I wouldn't want it to become a powerhouse of course, 2 drones is perfectly adequate. Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
Xantia Naari Astral Inferno 0	Posted - 2014.06.03 00:56:00 - [26] - Quote Horus H'kaan wrote: I think all it needs is the Venture's 10m3/10mbit drone bay and bandwidth back and it's good to go. Everything else seems solid, but the lack of drones doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Without the ability to kill a scramming frigate rat in nullsec belts how is it meant to ninja mine? Unless you mean to force it to drop a mining laser to take a gun, which seems very counter-intuitive. I wouldn't want it to become a powerhouse of course, 2 drones is perfectly adequate. I imagine that the prospect is not meant for what it is advertised for. It is only an incentive for high sec capsuleers to present them selfs as cannon fodder in low and null sec. As with many of the kronos news it's all about pleasing the gankers in low and null sec so that even less new players will stay.
asteroidjas Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services The Possum Lodge 69	Posted - 2014.06.03 03:14:00 - [27] - Quote It's awesome how the dev's never responded to any questions/concerns raised in this thread, other than the one that was irrelevant about some other topic... here's to another botched release!


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