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BlackRain	Posted - 2006.05.31 10:29:00 - [211] Originally by: Shiwan Khan I think this thread is simply meant to refute previous statements made by BoB members that said "we are just here for fun, not to help FIX" or something to that effect. That being said, it isn't like we didn't know BoB was just trying to put on a superficial front to appear genuine. You did see that we were gone for a few days in between, right? That's because originally we came down there just for a little while to leisurely mess up your plans to take over the last station. FIX wasn't blue at the beginning, they were just as much targets as you were. We actually had a big bunch of other stuff we were supposed to be doing, so in the end we pretty much left and went back home. And then you people made the worst mistake you possibly could - You killed Marv. At that point I guess things got a bit more "serious" and we actually started punching back properly. It took us a whopping three days to kick you lot out of 9CG. That's not the show we were expecting to get... ------------------- -
Zrevak Ashek	Posted - 2006.05.31 11:12:00 - [212] BOB use tactics to maximise their advantage of having 90% of their forces skilled enough to use HAC's and Large t2 guns, which we realised we simply couldnt match.(Tbh, I dont think any alliance can.) So no point in going to 9cg like lambs to the slaughterhouse. For any future campaign into Querious, we'll just need to have a larger portion of our members able to use better equipment. Either that or we'll need to develop tactics to counter BOB's, which is very difficult, as they've been in more or less constant warfare for 2-3 years... We, at one point in time(this was in v2-vc2)tried to warp out the second BOB warped in and place a covert ops in a position to allow us to warp back at close range, in which BOB just warped out the second we came in, (as they're allways aligned.) only to warp back at range, where we again warped out and tried to do the same. And so it went on. Then the FC had to go to bed to get some sleep and someone else took over and when he came back, most of our ships had been destroyed. Like...WTF?? ...and dont get me started on the 9cg debacle, where we initially was aligned to a warp out point, and then, in a stroke of genious, someone hit the ******* regroup button?? Ofcource that was also the very same second BOB engaged...like...WTF was that about?? OFCOURCE they BBQ'ed CODA forces ____________________ Huzzah Federation
Alasse Cuthalion	Posted - 2006.05.31 11:19:00 - [213] Unfortunately, it's a vicous circle... Hostiles bring massive blob because they're afraid of BoB. BoB takes the only sensible option, i.e engage the blob at range. Hostiles bring more and more people in to system. BoB is forced to fight at longer ranges. I'd say stop trying to blob us if you want a proper slug fest but that's not likely to happen is it? :/
BlackRain	Posted - 2006.05.31 11:23:00 - [214] Originally by: Zrevak Ashek For any future campaign into Querious, we'll just need to have a larger portion of our members able to use better equipment. Does this mean the coalition is ceasing it's attempts to take over Querious for a longer period of time instead of just regrouping and trying again? :\ Shame ------------------- -
Bass	Posted - 2006.05.31 11:50:00 - [215] I haven't read all of this thread, i've read a few and from what i can gather bob are indeed helping fix, i may be wrong. But quite frankly what does it actually have to do with ANYone bar FIX/BOB? In the real world countries step in all the time to defend others. I haven't seen one bob whine about being ganged in any of the other posts, nor have i seen any threads saying "IMP/VC/SA/SMASH etc allies... blah blah blah stepping in to save xxx... pics inside".
FFubar Frog	Posted - 2006.05.31 12:06:00 - [216] Edited by: FFubar Frog on 31/05/2006 12:07:40 Damnit - what makes you think BoB is helping FIX? Perhaps...perhaps its FIX thats helping BoB!! I mean I cant help but notice that a coupla days long after this picture was taken CODA forces have been largly removed! Doesnt that make BoB the lapdog!!!! Please dont hurt me
DB Preacher	Posted - 2006.05.31 12:09:00 - [217] <3 ffubar dbp Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Helplessandlost	Posted - 2006.05.31 14:47:00 - [218] Originally by: FFubar Frog Edited by: FFubar Frog on 31/05/2006 12:07:40 Damnit - what makes you think BoB is helping FIX? Perhaps...perhaps its FIX thats helping BoB!! I mean I cant help but notice that a coupla days long after this picture was taken CODA forces have been largly removed! Doesnt that make BoB the lapdog!!!! Please dont hurt me Shhh... little one ------------------------------------------------ "Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive!"
DeadProphet	Posted - 2006.05.31 15:32:00 - [219] Originally by: Zrevak Ashek BOB use tactics to maximise their advantage of having 90% of their forces skilled enough to use HAC's and Large t2 guns, which we realised we simply couldnt match.(Tbh, I dont think any alliance can.) So no point in going to 9cg like lambs to the slaughterhouse. For any future campaign into Querious, we'll just need to have a larger portion of our members able to use better equipment. Either that or we'll need to develop tactics to counter BOB's, which is very difficult, as they've been in more or less constant warfare for 2-3 years... We, at one point in time(this was in v2-vc2)tried to warp out the second BOB warped in and place a covert ops in a position to allow us to warp back at close range, in which BOB just warped out the second we came in, (as they're allways aligned.) only to warp back at range, where we again warped out and tried to do the same. And so it went on. Then the FC had to go to bed to get some sleep and someone else took over and when he came back, most of our ships had been destroyed. Like...WTF?? ...and dont get me started on the 9cg debacle, where we initially was aligned to a warp out point, and then, in a stroke of genious, someone hit the ******* regroup button?? Ofcource that was also the very same second BOB engaged...like...WTF was that about?? OFCOURCE they BBQ'ed CODA forces you just said that the war is lost, and that the CODA has been defeated.
Beyond Horizon	Posted - 2006.05.31 17:55:00 - [220] Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion Unfortunately, it's a vicous circle... Hostiles bring massive blob because they're afraid of BoB. BoB takes the only sensible option, i.e engage the blob at range. Hostiles bring more and more people in to system. BoB is forced to fight at longer ranges. I'd say stop trying to blob us if you want a proper slug fest but that's not likely to happen is it? :/ /signed. This all "hate" against FIX is just so lame... why don't you guys stop doing that and just fight them? I mean common... what is it all about? You are 3 alliances against 2... where's the source of the whining?
Novarei	Posted - 2006.05.31 18:12:00 - [221] This thread and all threads with BoB and CODA etc flaming each other should die in hell. People should leave their egos at the door when entering eve. Some people take it far to seriously. +-----------------------------------------------+
Nira Li	Posted - 2006.05.31 18:18:00 - [222] Originally by: Novarei This thread and all threads with BoB and CODA etc flaming each other should die in hell. How do I get to hell without dying? You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
HellsRazor	Posted - 2006.05.31 19:50:00 - [223] Originally by: Nira Li Originally by: Novarei This thread and all threads with BoB and CODA etc flaming each other should die in hell. How do I get to hell without dying? here i am.
Amarthtel	Posted - 2006.05.31 20:10:00 - [224] Apparently by using a technique preferred amongst MGRL activists...
Moghydin	Posted - 2006.05.31 20:29:00 - [225] Edited by: Moghydin on 31/05/2006 20:29:47 Originally by: Zrevak Ashek BOB use tactics to maximise their advantage of having 90% of their forces skilled enough to use HAC's and Large t2 guns, which we realised we simply couldnt match.(Tbh, I dont think any alliance can.) So no point in going to 9cg like lambs to the slaughterhouse. For any future campaign into Querious, we'll just need to have a larger portion of our members able to use better equipment. Either that or we'll need to develop tactics to counter BOB's, which is very difficult, as they've been in more or less constant warfare for 2-3 years... We, at one point in time(this was in v2-vc2)tried to warp out the second BOB warped in and place a covert ops in a position to allow us to warp back at close range, in which BOB just warped out the second we came in, (as they're allways aligned.) only to warp back at range, where we again warped out and tried to do the same. And so it went on. Then the FC had to go to bed to get some sleep and someone else took over and when he came back, most of our ships had been destroyed. Like...WTF?? ...and dont get me started on the 9cg debacle, where we initially was aligned to a warp out point, and then, in a stroke of genious, someone hit the ******* regroup button?? Ofcource that was also the very same second BOB engaged...like...WTF was that about?? OFCOURCE they BBQ'ed CODA forces I had a glimpse of that kind of warfare when FE fought ATUK. Good aligning discipline, very tactical fights and gangs consisting only of battleships with T2 guns. Add to this their spies on TS and the picture is complete. Fights were so tactical that they were nearly boring, and they knew nearly every our move in advantage. Fortunately we had some good FC's which helped a lot (although some of them now are in BoB for some reasons). Beating those gangs straight on with equal numbers is nearly impossible as those guys will outskill most opponents. That means a huge range advantage. So, the only way is pure numbers. Outnumbering them by a good margin is the only way to success for the majority of their enemies.
Nifel	Posted - 2006.06.01 09:06:00 - [226] Originally by: Moghydin Edited by: Moghydin on 31/05/2006 20:29:47 Originally by: Zrevak Ashek BOB use tactics to maximise their advantage of having 90% of their forces skilled enough to use HAC's and Large t2 guns, which we realised we simply couldnt match.(Tbh, I dont think any alliance can.) So no point in going to 9cg like lambs to the slaughterhouse. For any future campaign into Querious, we'll just need to have a larger portion of our members able to use better equipment. Either that or we'll need to develop tactics to counter BOB's, which is very difficult, as they've been in more or less constant warfare for 2-3 years... We, at one point in time(this was in v2-vc2)tried to warp out the second BOB warped in and place a covert ops in a position to allow us to warp back at close range, in which BOB just warped out the second we came in, (as they're allways aligned.) only to warp back at range, where we again warped out and tried to do the same. And so it went on. Then the FC had to go to bed to get some sleep and someone else took over and when he came back, most of our ships had been destroyed. Like...WTF?? ...and dont get me started on the 9cg debacle, where we initially was aligned to a warp out point, and then, in a stroke of genious, someone hit the ***** regroup button?? Ofcource that was also the very same second BOB engaged...like...WTF was that about?? OFCOURCE they BBQ'ed CODA forces I had a glimpse of that kind of warfare when FE fought ATUK. Good aligning discipline, very tactical fights and gangs consisting only of battleships with T2 guns. Add to this their spies on TS and the picture is complete. Fights were so tactical that they were nearly boring, and they knew nearly every our move in advantage. Fortunately we had some good FC's which helped a lot (although some of them now are in BoB for some reasons). Beating those gangs straight on with equal numbers is nearly impossible as those guys will outskill most opponents. That means a huge range advantage. So, the only way is pure numbers. Outnumbering them by a good margin is the only way to success for the majority of their enemies. Down with T2 ammo :< "When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car." RKK Ranking: (MIN14)**
Entilzah Valen	Posted - 2006.06.01 09:12:00 - [227] Originally by: HellsRazor Originally by: Nira Li Originally by: Novarei This thread and all threads with BoB and CODA etc flaming each other should die in hell. How do I get to hell without dying? here i am. that 'tis funny ____________________________
Fred0	Posted - 2006.06.01 09:14:00 - [228] Originally by: Nira Li Originally by: Novarei This thread and all threads with BoB and CODA etc flaming each other should die in hell. How do I get to hell without dying? <3
Entilzah Valen	Posted - 2006.06.01 09:22:00 - [229] Originally by: Zrevak Ashek BOB use tactics to maximise their advantage of having 90% of their forces skilled enough to use HAC's and Large t2 guns, which we realised we simply couldnt match.(Tbh, I dont think any alliance can.) So no point in going to 9cg like lambs to the slaughterhouse. Well then just do what you all did for Leadership V then. Problem solved. ____________________________
Scagga Laebetrovo	Posted - 2006.06.01 10:24:00 - [230] Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 01/06/2006 10:24:55 May BoB continue their "treachery", without BoB, we wouldn't have someone powerful enough to gang up on. BoB serve a purpose, they are the alliance to that is the awe of some and the bane of others. If they suddenly disappeared, I'm sure people would whine about there being nothing big enough to fight in groups, other than solos (like level 4's)
Constantine Arcanum	Posted - 2006.06.01 11:25:00 - [231] FIX and BoB will eventually win imo. Fix have been there for years, BoB are arguably the most powerful alliance in EVE. Please can CODA stop screaming "OMG WE BEAT FIX!11" Needing 5 alliances to take down one alliance is nothing to brag about. FIX held out for a long time too. adjusts tinfoil hat II -----------------------------------------------
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.06.01 12:26:00 - [232] Originally by: Entilzah Valen Originally by: Zrevak Ashek BOB use tactics to maximise their advantage of having 90% of their forces skilled enough to use HAC's and Large t2 guns, which we realised we simply couldnt match.(Tbh, I dont think any alliance can.) So no point in going to 9cg like lambs to the slaughterhouse. Well then just do what you all did for Leadership V then. Problem solved. It's funny you should say that as everyone is now skilling up for large T2 guns for their BS. President Huzzah Federation Play EVE on the hard setting, join us.
Hast	Posted - 2006.06.01 12:28:00 - [233] Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: Entilzah Valen Originally by: Zrevak Ashek BOB use tactics to maximise their advantage of having 90% of their forces skilled enough to use HAC's and Large t2 guns, which we realised we simply couldnt match.(Tbh, I dont think any alliance can.) So no point in going to 9cg like lambs to the slaughterhouse. Well then just do what you all did for Leadership V then. Problem solved. It's funny you should say that as everyone is now skilling up for large T2 guns for their BS. Originally by: Sarmaul I WILL FIREBOMB CCP IF MINMATAR GET A T2 BATTLECRUISER WITH A ******* TARGET PAINTING BONUS
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.06.01 12:40:00 - [234] Originally by: Hast Originally by: Hans Roaming It's funny you should say that as everyone is now skilling up for large T2 guns for their BS. Look at the average age of Huzzah pilots verses BoB, in game skills tend to be a bottleneck for a lot of Huzzah pilots. A fair number have T2 large guns skill but a lot more don't, anyway it's now become a priority for fleet engagements so lots of people are training that path as fast as they can. The other response to your long range advantage would be to cry unfair which is not really us as an alliance tbh, learn, adapt and overcome is what we're about. President Huzzah Federation Play EVE on the hard setting, join us.
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2006.06.01 12:47:00 - [235] Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: Hast Originally by: Hans Roaming It's funny you should say that as everyone is now skilling up for large T2 guns for their BS. Look at the average age of Huzzah pilots verses BoB, in game skills tend to be a bottleneck for a lot of Huzzah pilots. A fair number have T2 large guns skill but a lot more don't, anyway it's now become a priority for fleet engagements so lots of people are training that path as fast as they can. The other response to your long range advantage would be to cry unfair which is not really us as an alliance tbh, learn, adapt and overcome is what we're about. The T2 guns thing is an interesting point. 99% of the time I take T2 large gun use for granted on a battleship, as I'm sure most of my brethren do. It's easy to forget that three years down the line there is a larger potential gap between character skills than there was 18 months or even two years ago. BoB contains a lot of very old characters, I'd wager in the PvP fraternity we might even have one of the largest percentages of "launch week" characters around. This naturally means our main fleets will be 90% t2 fitted. I suppose often the inability to fit t2 could be confused with a perceived unwillingness. Certainly from a megathron pilot's point of view, I have to say that Spike L ammo is pretty broken atm. Not that i'm going to stop loading it :P .... POST WITH YOUR MAIN !!!!11111one Real men use blasters
Brian Detaah	Posted - 2006.06.01 12:52:00 - [236] <3 Huzzah for can-do spirit! ------------------------------------------------ `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.' `The question is,' said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many different things.' `The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master - - that's all.'
Markie	Posted - 2006.06.01 13:49:00 - [237] Originally by: Naverin BOB Pos .... with FIX inside having a party.. Nothing else need be said... You mean, this need not have been said????
Valkazm	Posted - 2006.06.01 14:05:00 - [238] Originally by: Kashre Edited by: Kashre on 31/05/2006 01:35:33 Originally by: Kyguard Now I don't know if this has happened.. I think the Huzzah/SA and allies hate about this whole deal is that FIX has yet to admit that they are only alive due to BoB's intervention. From what I've read it seems that the FIX pilots don't seem to be grateful and are taking this for granted. Just my opinion. And no, I did not read all 13 pages thoroughly First of all we wouldnt have been dead without BOB intervention, just homeless and ****ed off. Second of all, I don't for one instant think that BOB is invervening against our enemies for any reason other than logical self interest. Maybe they like us, maybe they dont... but it has no great bearing on their standings against us as far as I've seen. On the other hand they still want a meat shield in querious and as long as we're still around then they'll still have that. So to a degree, yeah I think we are just taking advantage of them, the same way they're just taking advantage of us. Doesnt mean we like them any less... in this case its just good strategy on their part. BTW my opinion is in no way the official stance of my alliance or corp, even though Im right. All the time. well said politicly fix is BoB¦s buffer Alliance there in the middle of all the other alliances this is a good fighting ground for them beacuse they dont have to do it in there own space .. yeah sure im speculating but that is how i would see it atleast nice to have a little FIX blocking up the route and keeping there neighbours friends ..
Avernus	Posted - 2006.06.01 14:27:00 - [239] I figure one or two people out there may be feeling a little daft right now. Personally, I can't imagine that having a hostile BOB as your new neighbour is preferable to having FIX there. Ah well, that's not a problem I have to deal with at least, nor is having to explain to my peers why 'the plan' didn't quite work out as was advertised. So much for foresight.... wonder what will happen next? Ex-JCoS, Ex-Diplomat, Ex-Councilor, Ex-CEO (posts no longer represent Firmus Ixion)
Tamora	Posted - 2006.06.01 15:02:00 - [240] Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: Hast Originally by: Hans Roaming It's funny you should say that as everyone is now skilling up for large T2 guns for their BS. Look at the average age of Huzzah pilots verses BoB, in game skills tend to be a bottleneck for a lot of Huzzah pilots. A fair number have T2 large guns skill but a lot more don't, anyway it's now become a priority for fleet engagements so lots of people are training that path as fast as they can. The other response to your long range advantage would be to cry unfair which is not really us as an alliance tbh, learn, adapt and overcome is what we're about. step 1. dont recruit noobs. step 2. get drunk. Thats my 2pence worth, now im off to get drunk and fall in a ditch. Join chat channel 'OMG-ROFL'

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