I'm hard pressed to keep my calm under the heap of crap you just unloaded in my thread. What a manly man you are, balls picture or GTFO.



You can already have the advantage by "alt-ing" or switching the boring way. Do I need to write that in capitals to get it through your thick, self-righteous, self back-patting heads???

And what is this skill you are talking about? Is it the skill of running your mouth w/o using your brain or what?

P.S. Of course I don't want to fly my slave set in a saber, it is not risk aversion it is risk awareness, mind you. If you have that much isk to risk a slave set in a saber you must be a care-bear extraordinaire and I don't understand why are you posting here.

Lel. I'm trying to figure out if I should go with the stock "LOL U MAD" response, or the "LOL YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHO I AM OR WHAT I AM CAPABLE OF, JUST WAIT" response.

What do you think?

Heh, stupid people briefly make me mad. Can't help it sorry! But don't you worry about it, I just keep breathing and everything gets better .

Angsty has a way about him and whilst not the most diplomatic guy he has a right to an opposing view, as do I and anyone else.
Taking the SSC "This is my thread, agree with me or GTFO but for God's sake don't think I want this actually debated!" approach isn't really going to work or win favour either.
If you an idea discussed then post it and at least look like you are listening to points of view that differ from yours.

.. are you seriously trying to crawl back explaining me why you were whining? Don't worry about it because I already know, anyway just saying keep that "Learn to play in it. Whining to god (read: CCP) is not the solution." to yourself and try to apply it next time before you "dont care anymore didnt want it neways" kind of 8 year old attitude.

K m8 it's almost like you didn't read what I wrote or understand it, and like I said, it really has no bearing on this discussion. Like I said, even I could be considered a hypocrite, that's a character judgement and does not mean I'm wrong in what I'm saying at all.

Oh I did and I agree with your general point I'm not saying you're wrong at all, just had to laugh at the extreme hypocrisy in your post, and wanted to give you some advice that you should take your own advice.

Anyway it could be a lost cause and that I am wasting my time, "Lel. I'm trying to figure out if I should go with the stock "LOL U MAD" response, or the "LOL YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHO I AM OR WHAT I AM CAPABLE OF, JUST WAIT" response.

What do you think?" isn't really helping you

You guys are such whiners.

You understand that CCP's intention for w-space is a nomadic style existence rather than a plop down and treat it like nullsec without local existence right? It's not their fault you can't handle living without certain luxuries.

The whole point of wormholes is to be a frontier (and while I'll agree it's certainly not at this point, I feel this is due to a lack of iteration of CCP's part on wormholes), and frankly you can't expect to have all of your snuggle blankets with you when you go on a trip to the frontier.

Man the **** up. Maybe you shouldn't be flying with your implants or, instead just accept that you don't need to have the best implants in all the time to fight. It's risk-aversion type behavior that leads to your whining. You are quite literally whining because you won't fly your armor T3's without a full HG slave set, but you also don't want to risk that same set flying a sabre. Why don't you just not fly with the slave set? God forbid you don't have every advantage in the book. Perhaps you should attempt to make up for that advantage with some semblance of skill?

Or barring that, as I said before, just be rich enough to have implants to plug in and out as you wish. It's your own fault you're too poor to do this. There are so many solutions to your problem within the scope of the game. Some of them require more effort, some more money, some more compromises, but this is the nature of the sandbox.

Learn to play in it. Whining to god (read: CCP) is not the solution.

As long as you understand what I'm saying there is no issue. It's irrelevant to me whether or not I appear a hypocrite, this is the wormhole forums, I do what I want.

And I enjoy it

I think we can all agree that this forum is useless as a discussion medium for any relevant ideas simply because it's not read by the devs, or if it is read, it's not read seriously since all of the recent changes to wormholes specifically (I don't consider POS changes to be specific wormhole changes) indicate a very clear lack of understanding from CCP what wormholes actually are.

So it seems to me that the only other point in posting here is for fun or try to help nerds understand the error in their ways. That's what I do.

For somebody that PvPs so sparsely you sure have a big mouth but I doubt you can effectively outline errors in anybodies ways. Yes, of course, this is an alt and your main is the alpha dog of the W-space. Please, get a grip!

Can we live w/o implants? Of course we can. Do we want to be artificially limited in that regard? Don't know about you but I don't.

I think it would be nice to be able to fly my saber w/o wearing my slaves set or w/o wasting 1 hour getting in K-space, jumping clones then traveling back. I'm just crazy(and cheap) that way, I know!

Right there you prove what I assumed in the first post. You want WH life to be easier. You don't want to fly without implants (heaven forbid you not get the extra 3% bonus on whatever) and you don't want to fly anything that might not fit whatever implants you have (again, no bonus and might lose them). And the statement about being "artificially" limited without implants that artificially boost abilities is quite rich.

Jack pointed out clearly and succinctly the same argument I had. And the answer is easy too. Fly an empty clone, fly one with a general set of implants, or just bring extras and plug them in when you need them.

You keep coming off as risk averse and then get angry and cry "stupid posters" whenever someone asks you to explain how this would make WH life better rather than just easier. There is a big difference, though the terms are not mutually exclusive.

You and Jack have no argument, you are just entranced in the status-quo and pretend everything is just peachy with your "Ohh we live in W-space so we must be some tough guys" and other juvenile crap. Tell you what, since you like arbitrary challenges, why don't you stop refitting your ship and fly a jack-of-all-trades ship I mean clearly CCP didn't want refitting in WH they just messed that up.

Laws of W-space

As fun as it is to let you find out things for yourselves, there are a few things that I need to tell you without being GÇÿmysterious'.

Starbases are allowed to be anchored in W-space but cannot claim sovereignty. Additionally, there are no minable moon minerals in W-space.
The wormholes into W-space are too small to allow the transit of Titans and Motherships. All dreams of Quad-DDing a Sleeper fleet, as much as they might deserve it, are now shattered. (Awww!)
Even though you can bring your Rorquals into W-space, their clone vat bay functionality will be unavailable.
You cannot activate a cynosural beacon in W-space nor can you activate your jump drive (on those ships equipped with one) to escape.

How better, explain please! You clearly have no idea of risk assessment or risk vs. reward weighting. You call risk averse anyone although you understand, it seems, that sometimes the 3-5 % benefit doesn't worth the risk. Yeah let's call everyone that thinks pussies and that will make everything better.
You also have a odd definition for easier. The benefit of having a full set of slaves in a shield tanked Sabre that uses bubbles is virtually nonexistent and because I want the ability to not expose that much worth for that little gain makes me a p*ssy and risk averse. And because I'm not happy with losing time in changing that it means I want it easier. If that's your definition of easier, then yes, I want it easier. I'm not the type that shoot himself in the foot just to make the race more challenging (I'm sure you'll misread that and twist it in some "see, you're lame" fallacy).

You and Jack have no argument, you are just entranced in the status-quo and pretend everything is just peachy with your "Ohh we live in W-space so we must be some tough guys" and other juvenile crap. Tell you what, since you like arbitrary challenges, why don't you stop refitting your ship and fly a jack-of-all-trades ship I mean clearly CCP didn't want refitting in WH they just messed that up.

I have no problem losing ship or pod but will not **** them away just to appear "macho".

Read this Playing to win

Despite the fact it kind of goes against traditional feelings with w-space having none of the amenities k-space does, I think this along with removing API kill info will bring more people out of their POSs. +1

Is the desire to be able to have a slave set and a crystal set available at a moments notice? There is a lot of general talk about vague things. Please just state clearly what you want to be able to do once this changes were implemented. I'm trying to decide which side I want to fall out on, but it's too general to decide.

What I'm asking from you.

I [name] would like to swap between [list set of implants] and [list other set of implants] at a frequency of [put you swappage time limits here]. This would make game play better because [put your reason here].

If you do this I think we could stop picking nits and make an educated judgement call on this idea.

Wasn't a troll actually. I've rolled with the same set of basic hardwires since I've been playing whs. +3 to shield, armor, grid, capacitor, and damage. It's a compromise for sure, but I wrote that off to one of the trade offs of living in wh space.

I'm not trolling - what do you want to be able to do and how often. I'll be honest. I'm thinking this is an easy mode request to get something into wh that wasn't there from the beginning by design. On the other hand, if you have a legit reason to get me into some better hardwires.... I'd love to hear it.

Wasn't a troll actually. I've rolled with the same set of basic hardwires since I've been playing whs. +3 to shield, armor, grid, capacitor, and damage. It's a compromise for sure, but I wrote that off to one of the trade offs of living in wh space.

I'm not trolling - what do you want to be able to do and how often. I'll be honest. I'm thinking this is an easy mode request to get something into wh that wasn't there from the beginning by design. On the other hand, if you have a legit reason to get me into some better hardwires.... I'd love to hear it.

You however, very clearly state that you won't fly a saber with your Slave implants. That's probably smart, however, I don't see how allowing you to easily swap to a different clone makes WH's any better. Again, it just makes your life easier, since you can't adjust to flying without implants. Implants are not a requirement to fly any ship.

You seem to be the one who doesn't understand the difference between risk averse and risk vs. reward, and I'll explain the difference. I can afford Slave implants but choose not to buy them because I don't think they're worth the money, especially since I get primaried a lot due to my name and the fact that I tackle often (this is risk vs reward). You can afford Slave implants but won't fly with them unless the conditions are absolutely right, meaning the risks are low (this is risk averse).

Not a troll but a biased commenter. "Easy mode request" seem to be my crime here. Although it is possible to swap clones even as a W-space resident (so the feature is there) since all you need to do is waste some time going to K and then fly the other clone back in, if I ask to do the same w/o the wasting time part I'm a pansy who wants it easy.
Some of you are so entranced that don't even see the opportunities arising from such a change. Traveling Rorquals back and forth from W-space to K-space can become targets(very very juicy targets), captured clones could be ransomed or processed (fictional but interesting idea) for looting implants as Meytal suggested.
Plus with such a change maybe some of you cheap +3 bastards will get flying some other, more expensive, implants . I've got the balls to fly an expensive clone in W-space and I get called risk averse by the +3 gang cause I don't want to throw that away [facepalm] in a YOLO fight or a null shotgun.

All of the above is why I now have instant sig bounces, an overlay that reconfirms everything on it when you mouse over it and why W-space populations are remaining constant instead of dynamic.
EvE made easy is for empire. EvE on hard-mode is W-space. You describe yourself in your own words as someone who would only engage if they were in the right clone. So that's the only reason behind the post.
As for not wanting to YOLO in an expensive clone ..... are you a KB princess or simply broke? If the former then you might want to look up the meaning of YOLO and not EVER do it and if the latter then you might want to look at what you are doing wrong with you isk making time.
TL;DR but for a second think about the fact that probably over 95% of WH life even dedicated PVP-wise in WH's is spent searching, scanning, chaining and observing. The smallest portion is actually engaging. The no JC FEATURE is part of the life we chose. So train a ship/race/type specific alt or go here , but please no more bad SSC ideas for cruise control on our space ships. Thanks.