| Pages: [1] 2 3 4 :: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |

Lenroc Elisav
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
9
|
Posted - 2014.05.15 13:17:00 -
[1] - Quote
Yes I said swapping and not jumping. Swapping, like on-grid switching of clones while respecting the time constraints and using a ship (rorqual) or a POS module (fictional so far). Yes I understand that CCP never planed for W-space to be inhabited permanently but the sandbox went that way and maybe they should adjust to that.
How many of you W-hole guys/galls would welcome such a feature? And why the hell we don't have it yet ?
P.S. Keep your pants on, nobody said anything about clone jumping from K to W space by clone, also nobody said anything about having medical clones in W space! |

350125GO
Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n
51
|
Posted - 2014.05.15 13:21:00 -
[2] - Quote
The trouble with most of the "ideas" for W-space is that none of them make w-space better, they just make it easier.
If you don't want to lose your implants, don't fly in w-space. |

Walextheone
The Red Circle Inc.
81
|
Posted - 2014.05.15 13:44:00 -
[3] - Quote
350125GO wrote: If you don't want to lose your implants, don't fly in w-space.
I'm not really sure what you meant there but its just as easy to loose them elsewhere, like in nullsec.
Even if the swapping idea would make w-space a bit easier, it would also IMO be a bit more fun. More options for tactics = fun in my book.
Now finding a decent k.-space door, move a lot of jumps and then back makes me hesitate to the that degree I just dont do it. "effort"
But then again, I'm a bit lazy |

You're Mum
Temnava Legion No Holes Barred
16
|
Posted - 2014.05.15 13:50:00 -
[4] - Quote
I think that this should be possible from a rorqual within a WH, it will mean that people are able to swap clones to adjust to the ships that they are wanting to fly at that current time. No point in being in a clone with gunnery implants in its head while flying a logi ship |

Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
1505
|
Posted - 2014.05.15 14:52:00 -
[5] - Quote
350125GO wrote:The trouble with most of the "ideas" for W-space is that none of them make w-space better, they just make it easier.
If you don't want to lose your implants, don't fly in w-space.
And your great idea to improving wormhole space is to tell people to leave?!
And you're wrong btw. A change like this would encourage people to fly different ships, namely shield tanked ships, which could be an improvement to wormhole space. I tend to stick with armour because all my implants are set up to support my armour ships and i often lack to CPU to make the shield ships i'd want to fly.
+1 |

350125GO
Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n
52
|
Posted - 2014.05.15 15:04:00 -
[6] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:350125GO wrote:The trouble with most of the "ideas" for W-space is that none of them make w-space better, they just make it easier.
If you don't want to lose your implants, don't fly in w-space. And your great idea to improving wormhole space is to tell people to leave?! And you're wrong btw. A change like this would encourage people to fly different ships, namely shield tanked ships, which could be an improvement to wormhole space. I tend to stick with armour because all my implants are set up to support my armour ships and i often lack to CPU to make the shield ships i'd want to fly.
Though my response was hastily written and not too thought out, I wasn't saying get out, I was saying fly an empty clone. Sorry it didn't come across that way.
What would encourage people to fly shield ships would be to remove isk values from killboards. There's such a crazy fixation on isk value on the boards that people are afraid to fly high value ships or clones when they're going into tougher odds. It's made people even more risk averse than they were before. (this is a broad generalization). Therefore people don't fly shield because there's too much a chance of losing them against an armor fleet.
Again though, I think the ability to store clones and swap then in a WH just makes life easier, not better. As designed, wormholes are distant, dangerous space cut off from the rest of the universe. Though I could see corps like yours using the ability to swap clones to change the nature of your roaming fleet, I think too many corps would use it to swap from pve clones to pvp clones when someone else roams into them.
I like that there are so many challenges in w-space that don't exist in k-space. Being forced to fight in whatever clone you happen to be in is one of them. |

Mizhir
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
61731
|
Posted - 2014.05.15 15:36:00 -
[7] - Quote
Would be really nice to be able to swap clones as different ships requires different implants. One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |

calaretu
Honestly We didnt know Unsettled.
97
|
Posted - 2014.05.15 15:48:00 -
[8] - Quote
This again? Used to actually oppose this idea but thinking about everyone who would use this feature for having high grade pve clones I have changed my mind ~Bringer of happiness
http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/ |

Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
477
|
Posted - 2014.05.15 16:42:00 -
[9] - Quote
As long as you get credit for destroying the clones when you destroy the clone vat. Roquals would be the highest priority targets in W-space.
|

Euthanasia Anneto
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
29
|
Posted - 2014.05.15 17:00:00 -
[10] - Quote
Walextheone wrote: I'm not really sure what you meant there but its just as easy to loose them elsewhere, like in nullsec.
And when will be the moment you consider the MOMENT the swap. PVP in w-space is everywhere and nowhere. Either luring at you or sitting several holes away
Plain and simple, keep your clone up-to-date Use or Don't use implants when you jump in. And use the implants the you consider as a best option for your clone. If you can keep your pod safe for years, good for you, else to bad the moment you get podded. With some luck, some dwellers might shoot the ship, let the pod go so it can return for some more pvp, although, usually they go to pos and stay possed up with anger and fury that they don't return at all.
Anyway, a couple of C3 sites simply cover the costs and of full rack Standard implants.
.EC.. of [TOHA], Industrialists with guns. We're overe there, some where and no where... Contacting go through ingame convo's .EC.. and [TOHA] are recruiting, get in contact with us |

Lenroc Elisav
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
13
|
Posted - 2014.05.15 19:06:00 -
[11] - Quote
350125GO wrote:The trouble with most of the "ideas" for W-space is that none of them make w-space better, they just make it easier.
If you don't want to lose your implants, don't fly in w-space.
My dear mister Number you are wrong on both accounts. First it doesn't make life easier just better. WH mechanics are still there and instead of having to travel an unwarranted amount of space to get in the clone I want I just get to do that without the drag of such an activity. Maybe you are the type of guy that feels some sort of accomplishment by doing long, boring and repetitive activities and it's OK but you don't get to swap "better" with "easier" according to your standards. Also you should know that a lot of WH players have alts with proper implants instead of clones and I can understand why such an arrangement would be favored by CCP(lame) but I find that, just my opinion and taste, game breaking.
Second, you've been already called out about it, you don't get to tell me where to fly and how. You can, however, show your disapproval of the idea discussed and trust me that well argued opinions weight more then "get out" tantrums. |

Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
590
|
Posted - 2014.05.15 19:11:00 -
[12] - Quote
This would be so full of awesome!
Just imagine, you could actually swap from your learning clone to your pvp clone WITHOUT SCANNING THE CHAIN TO A DOCKABLE STATION AND THEN MAKE 40 JUMPS BACK vOv
+1
The current iteration of jumpclones is a punch in the face to wh-dwellers anyways, about time they tackle that. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
|

Hatshepsut IV
Cascading Failure Un.Bound
86
|
Posted - 2014.05.15 19:26:00 -
[13] - Quote
Val'Dore wrote:As long as you get credit for destroying the clones when you destroy the clone vat. Roquals would be the highest priority targets in W-space.
Because people don't already lust over exploding them on the rare occasion you ever see them out of a pos shield anyways. |

350125GO
Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n
53
|
Posted - 2014.05.15 19:28:00 -
[14] - Quote
Lenroc Elisav wrote:350125GO wrote:The trouble with most of the "ideas" for W-space is that none of them make w-space better, they just make it easier.
If you don't want to lose your implants, don't fly in w-space. My dear mister Number you are wrong on both accounts. First it doesn't make life easier just better. WH mechanics are still there and instead of having to travel an unwarranted amount of space to get in the clone I want I just get to do that without the drag of such an activity.
Maybe we should just add the cyno-like wormhole activator so you can insta to k-space? Sorry, but this describes easier. Just like the remote control made TV easier to watch. And again, I never said get out of wh space I said don't fly in it if you're worried about losing implants. I followed up with a post stating that was hastily written and didn't clearly state what I was trying to say.
How does the ability to switch to a clone that may let you fly a differently fit ship make WH life better? It would make it easier to have different elite fleets, but I don't see how that would be better. |

chris elliot
Yoyodyne corporation Shadow Cartel
360
|
Posted - 2014.05.15 19:54:00 -
[15] - Quote
Hate to break it to you but CCP does not read these forums. You'll have to take your good idea to the features and ideas forum. |

Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
647
|
Posted - 2014.05.15 19:56:00 -
[16] - Quote
I'm in 2 minds on it but ultimately I think it would make things better, I've been working around it by training multiple chars though its a bit slow going and not everyone wants multiple accounts to deal with/pay for.
i.e. I've no problem losing my boosting alt with its mindlink and armor implants in a pitched t3 and capital fight but it makes absolutely no sense to send it into a fight with t1 shield BCs where none of the implants are even relevant and possibly cost more than the combined total of ships on the field... but if thats the only char you happen to have to hand at that moment your most likely going to hold it back. |

Kireitsugu Secheh
Les chips electriques
1
|
Posted - 2014.05.15 20:27:00 -
[17] - Quote
I would find it funnier that you could have a implant oupluging device that work only in wh. And require new sleeper goo to work.
Clones are crappy things. Do you know they store them naked in medical facilities ? Such heresia . |

Lenroc Elisav
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
13
|
Posted - 2014.05.15 20:39:00 -
[18] - Quote
350125GO wrote:Lenroc Elisav wrote:350125GO wrote:The trouble with most of the "ideas" for W-space is that none of them make w-space better, they just make it easier.
If you don't want to lose your implants, don't fly in w-space. My dear mister Number you are wrong on both accounts. First it doesn't make life easier just better. WH mechanics are still there and instead of having to travel an unwarranted amount of space to get in the clone I want I just get to do that without the drag of such an activity. Maybe we should just add the cyno-like wormhole activator so you can insta to k-space? Sorry, but this describes easier. Just like the remote control made TV easier to watch. And again, I never said get out of wh space I said don't fly in it if you're worried about losing implants. I followed up with a post stating that was hastily written and didn't clearly state what I was trying to say. How does the ability to switch to a clone that may let you fly a differently fit ship make WH life better? It would make it easier to have different elite fleets, but I don't see how that would be better.
Telling me to fly an empty/cheap clone is not achieving the desired result either ! Cyno-like wormhole activator?!? Dude really, you lost me, what has one to do with another except they are ideas (bad or good w/e)? How does the ability to switch to a clone ..... erm still need an answer to this question? Oh, I'm mainly thinking PvP fleet and fits when I'm thinking clones, PvE you can do just fine with an empty clone. |

Jack Miton
Rolled Out
3386
|
Posted - 2014.05.15 22:52:00 -
[19] - Quote
Eh, people have been suggesting this for years and for years I've been against it. There is no need for this. WHer have access to enough isk to replace implants. Genos allow both grid and CPU boosts at the same time so ship fitting isnt an issue. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
TBH, the only place I care what implants I have in is nullsec. In WH space I don't have any issue flying expensive clones (and I do fly expensive clones). Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/ |

Ion Udan
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
52
|
Posted - 2014.05.16 01:08:00 -
[20] - Quote
Jack,
We're not using ISK as the reason for clone swapping. We're wanting to have our clones WITH a variety of implants accessible.
RudinV:-á"2dreadnoughts with agro Vs 5 rly mad guys;)" |

Angsty Teenager
Broski North Black Legion.
387
|
Posted - 2014.05.16 03:04:00 -
[21] - Quote
>not just carrying multiple sets of implants and destroying your old ones when you want a different set
bloody poors |

Jack Miton
Rolled Out
3387
|
Posted - 2014.05.16 03:11:00 -
[22] - Quote
Ion Udan wrote:Jack, We're not using ISK as the reason for clone swapping. We're wanting to have our clones WITH a variety of implants accessible.
bring spare implants and refit them as required? it's always a matter of isk.
Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/ |

Ion Udan
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
52
|
Posted - 2014.05.16 03:52:00 -
[23] - Quote
Good point Jack.
Such an obviously solution I didn't think of. RudinV:-á"2dreadnoughts with agro Vs 5 rly mad guys;)" |

Lenroc Elisav
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
13
|
Posted - 2014.05.16 06:40:00 -
[24] - Quote
This thread went stupid faster then expected . Here are some sets and their costs sets&prices. Can we live w/o implants? Of course we can. Do we want to be artificially limited in that regard? Don't know about you but I don't.
I think it would be nice to be able to fly my saber w/o wearing my slaves set or w/o wasting 1 hour getting in K-space, jumping clones then traveling back. I'm just crazy(and cheap) that way, I know! |

AssassinationsdoneWrong
The Nexus 7's
189
|
Posted - 2014.05.16 06:57:00 -
[25] - Quote
I am with Mr. Miton on most of this. WE're out in the boonies for a reason and the more we start asking for things that are similar to K-Space the more the Devs can justify iterations FROM K-space.
We don't want that so we have to swallow the fact that we can't have this.
If it's a case of not having enough isk to replace imps then you're doing it wrong and if its a case of not wanting shiny pods on loss mails then destroy your imps before you go out to Null or whatever and replace them when you get back.
Thanks CCP for the overview dumb-down btw. I was always wondering what the thing marked "Planet" was on my overview and now I know because I can hover over it and it says "Planet". Awesome job!! The Nexus 7's
What we fall short of in numbers we more than make up for in stupidity |

Senn Denroth
Lazerhawks
192
|
Posted - 2014.05.16 07:26:00 -
[26] - Quote
This thread is crazy. Why are these so many threads asking that easy mode be brought to wormhole space?
Just go live in kspace.
Wormhole space is supposed to be hard, barren, and harsh. If you can't live with it, get out! Or get alts, or spare implants as Jack has suggested. We have ISK baths often enough that we shouldn't be complaining about these petty things.
Lenroc Elisav wrote:My dear mister Number you are wrong on both accounts. First it doesn't make life easier just better
Sorry but last time I checked, making something better on any account meant it was something that is easier by any account.
Can you pass over some of whatever you're smoking please? |

Lenroc Elisav
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
13
|
Posted - 2014.05.16 07:50:00 -
[27] - Quote
Senn Denroth wrote:This thread is crazy. Why are these so many threads asking that easy mode be brought to wormhole space? Just go live in kspace. Wormhole space is supposed to be hard, barren, and harsh. If you can't live with it, get out! Or get alts, or spare implants as Jack has suggested. We have ISK baths often enough that we shouldn't be complaining about these petty things. Lenroc Elisav wrote:My dear mister Number you are wrong on both accounts. First it doesn't make life easier just better Sorry but last time I checked, making something better on any account meant it was something that is easier by any account. Can you pass over some of whatever you're smoking please?
I'm smoking a logic cigar, you can't have any, sorry, as it may be toxic to you. Example of something making it easier and not better is the auto update of signatures in scanning window. Pissing away isk just to circumvent a stupid issue is not the way to go. This "If you can't deal with it get out" argument is the most dense argument I ever heard.Of course we need less people in W-space as there are too many of us already in . Maybe CCP should remove ship refitting in W-space just to make it more "hard, barren and harsh" !
Stop acting like a change like this will alter a core mechanic of w-space. It won't, it will only be a quality of life enhancement. You already admit you have alts filling the roles of clones so stop pretending you do this for keeping the W-space lore intact. One can already switch clones, it is just that the process is long, tedious and fun killing.
Some of you are just virtual Amish and that just fine and dandy, just don't expect the rest of us to bread horses at our POSes . |

Angsty Teenager
Broski North Black Legion.
388
|
Posted - 2014.05.16 08:30:00 -
[28] - Quote
You guys are such whiners.
You understand that CCP's intention for w-space is a nomadic style existence rather than a plop down and treat it like nullsec without local existence right? It's not their fault you can't handle living without certain luxuries.
The whole point of wormholes is to be a frontier (and while I'll agree it's certainly not at this point, I feel this is due to a lack of iteration of CCP's part on wormholes), and frankly you can't expect to have all of your snuggle blankets with you when you go on a trip to the frontier.
Man the **** up. Maybe you shouldn't be flying with your implants or, in just accept that you don't need to have the best implants in all the time to fight. It's risk-aversion type behavior that leads to your whining. You are quite literally whining because you won't fly your armor T3's without a full HG slave set, but you also don't want to risk that same set flying a sabre. Why don't you just not fly with the slave set? God forbid you don't have every advantage in the book. Perhaps you should attempt to make up for that advantage with some semblance of skill?
Or barring that, as I said before, just be rich enough to have implants to plug in and out as you wish. It's your own fault you're too poor to do this. There are so many solutions to your problem within the scope of the game. Some of them require more effort, some more money, some more compromises, but this is the nature of the sandbox.
Learn to play in it. Whining to god (read: CCP) is not the solution. |

Ryann Padecain
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
51
|
Posted - 2014.05.16 08:42:00 -
[29] - Quote
Angsty Teenager wrote:You guys are such whiners.
You understand that CCP's intention for w-space is a nomadic style existence rather than a plop down and treat it like nullsec without local existence right? It's not their fault you can't handle living without certain luxuries.
The whole point of wormholes is to be a frontier (and while I'll agree it's certainly not at this point, I feel this is due to a lack of iteration of CCP's part on wormholes), and frankly you can't expect to have all of your snuggle blankets with you when you go on a trip to the frontier.
Man the **** up. blablalbalba
Take your own advice will you, you whine even worse about removing NPC kills data. |

Lenroc Elisav
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
13
|
Posted - 2014.05.16 08:44:00 -
[30] - Quote
Angsty Teenager wrote:You guys are such whiners.
You understand that CCP's intention for w-space is a nomadic style existence rather than a plop down and treat it like nullsec without local existence right? It's not their fault you can't handle living without certain luxuries.
The whole point of wormholes is to be a frontier (and while I'll agree it's certainly not at this point, I feel this is due to a lack of iteration of CCP's part on wormholes), and frankly you can't expect to have all of your snuggle blankets with you when you go on a trip to the frontier.
Man the **** up. Maybe you shouldn't be flying with your implants or, in just accept that you don't need to have the best implants in all the time to fight. It's risk-aversion type behavior that leads to your whining. You are quite literally whining because you won't fly your armor T3's without a full HG slave set, but you also don't want to risk that same set flying a sabre. Why don't you just not fly with the slave set? God forbid you don't have every advantage in the book. Perhaps you should attempt to make up for that advantage with some semblance of skill?
Or barring that, as I said before, just be rich enough to have implants to plug in and out as you wish. It's your own fault you're too poor to do this. There are so many solutions to your problem within the scope of the game. Some of them require more effort, some more money, some more compromises, but this is the nature of the sandbox.
Learn to play in it. Whining to god (read: CCP) is not the solution.
I'm hard pressed to keep my calm under the heap of crap you just unloaded in my thread. What a manly man you are, balls picture or GTFO.
You can already have the advantage by "alt-ing" or switching the boring way. Do I need to write that in capitals to get it through your thick, self-righteous, self back-patting heads???
And what is this skill you are talking about? Is it the skill of running your mouth w/o using your brain or what?
|
| |
|
| Pages: [1] 2 3 4 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |