So, from my point of view, instead of tweaking warp speed rigs or dreadnoughts signature, CCP should find the way how to make solo activity in high sec more interesting.

give them what they want instead.

People do play solo, for many diffeent reasons. Family agro, non-stable time scheduling, language/social barriers etc... That is the reality. Ignoring it leads to game stagnation, IMHO. People try it out, see, that you want them to play as you want (non-solo, PvP regardless if you want it or not) and go else where, where they can play as they want.

Stop educating your players (most of them are grown up) , give them what they want instead. According to statistic it is not PvP team play, not for most of newcomers. Later on they may be driven into team fun, but not straight from the beginning.

however, this is a PvP centric MMO that is specifically designed around players interacting with each other. So although i dnt mind u playing on ur own, no game design for any feature should focus around loners. The design focus should instead focus around meaningful interaction with the sand box, competition and team work.

PvE is rarely engaging for long in any game, but it is particularly bad in EVE.

Yes, and I am talking here how to more people into this "PvP centric MMO". Many start with PvE and big part of them will stay here to PvP later, when they get competitive skills. But with "particularly bad" PvE they go away sooner, than they understand the game...

Here's a counter suggestion:

Build into the NPE the idea that 'I'll pvp when I have competitive skills!' is an inherently awful idea. PVE teaches you nothing about PVP, and skills don't matter anything like as much as people think.

where in may lie the problem. the same statistics ur referring to said 10% of players dived straight into PvP and had more fun, got on more kill mails and went on to bigger and better things.

Most skills for PvE are usefull in PvP. I do not mean experience. I mean in-game skills. If you can not fit proper modules, all your experience can do is prevent you from going into fight you can not win. So you are limited in PvP for quite a big degree.

Anyway, I do not see "counter suggestion" in your post. Half of newcomers leaves Eve after their first month in game and I believe CCP can do something about it without additional payload on hardware. Better suggestions?

Most skills for PvE are usefull in PvP. I do not mean experience. I mean in-game skills. If you can not fit proper modules, all your experience can do is prevent you from going into fight you can not win. So you are limited in PvP for quite a big degree.

Anyway, I do not see "counter suggestion" in your post. Half of newcomers leaves Eve after their first month in game and I believe CCP can do something about it without additional payload on hardware. Better suggestions?

CCP should find the way how to make solo activity in high sec more interesting.

TL;DR : game needs more PVE missions much more, than starbase or ship tweaks. Newbees are not ready for PvP and get slaughtered by losers in low sec without possibility even to shot back. Give them more room for entertaining in high sec and they will stay in game to join PvP later on.

If I remember reading rightly Eve took inspiration from games such as Elite waaaay back. That was intrinsically a solo game and became extremely popular as such. I believe there is room for both solo and group play in Eve and the key is finding how to marry the two together.

Solo part of the game are obviously needed. But there ar two problem with Eve regarding group PvE:
1) PvE is a crap. A boring and "no brain requierd" one. Aside from specific cases, of course, like WH soloing or soloplexing in nulls.
2) The game hardly rewards for collective playstile in highsecs (in nulls and lows it's moslty needed to survive, but not in highs). It's more risk, but no tangible reward. And even in nulls they more oftenly prefer to multibox hard plexes than to do it in group - because PvE is a crap and you can just hang in grid plummering red crosses with missiles and healing yourself with an alt - thats about all the skills needed.

There have been many threads here that have an assortment of proposals all of which can improve the PvE experience. My preference is that missions become randomized and contain more sansha like enemies that behave more like real pilots.

Others include the suggestion to include CONCORD as a career path to enforce law in losec, the non-scannable regions proposed by Dinsdale Piranha, the idea for distress calls someone came up with a while back and many others I can't think of immediately.

Brave Newbies got where they are today by strapping every day old pilot into a tech I Atron and tossing them into a beautiful crucible that was known as Barleguet. There was no waiting, there was only learning how to pvp from day one. The more you coddle and push back the day when you have 'enough' SP/ISK/Ships to go learn PvP, the more and more layers of terrible habits there are to break, and the losses actually costly.

To retain and get new players interested, the last thing we need is solo or hisec stuff - they need a narrative and a purpose that is full of the vitality, one that is created by players and unique, not some canned PvE content. Developing dependence on being fed said canned content is the problem in the first place.

Brave Newbies got where they are today by strapping every day old pilot into a tech I Atron and tossing them into a beautiful crucible that was known as Barleguet. There was no waiting, there was only learning how to pvp from day one. The more you coddle and push back the day when you have 'enough' SP/ISK/Ships to go learn PvP, the more and more layers of terrible habits there are to break, and the losses actually costly.

To retain and get new players interested, the last thing we need is solo or hisec stuff - they need a narrative and a purpose that is full of the vitality, one that is created by players and unique, not some canned PvE content. Developing dependence on being fed said canned content is the problem in the first place.

To retain and get new players interested, the last thing we need is solo or hisec stuff - they need a narrative and a purpose that is full of the vitality, one that is created by players and unique, not some canned PvE content.

To retain and get new players interested, the last thing we need is solo or hisec stuff - they need a narrative and a purpose that is full of the vitality, one that is created by players and unique, not some canned PvE content. Developing dependence on being fed said canned content is the problem in the first place.

Most skills for PvE are usefull in PvP. I do not mean experience. I mean in-game skills. If you can not fit proper modules, all your experience can do is prevent you from going into fight you can not win. So you are limited in PvP for quite a big degree.

Anyway, I do not see "counter suggestion" in your post. Half of newcomers leaves Eve after their first month in game and I believe CCP can do something about it without additional payload on hardware. Better suggestions?

Doesn't that mean that 90% of players had more fun doing something else??? Fun is subjective anyway, many people loathe PvP and enjoy the simple act of building stuff from scratch...even if that isn't the most profitable thing they could do its what they enjoy.

I am sure, that Eve has much of unused potential in PvE. And the more people will stay in game because of PvE, the more PvP possibilities will be in game. If someone can not play in team for some reasons, you do not make him start PvP carrier just with limiting his PvE possibilities.

yes it does. but why put so much work into it when all players do is say 'well now ive completed the game, what now'.

what u'd have to do is what blizzard do and spend thousands of hours constantly updating PvE to stop these players getting bored.

yeah...diablo 3 has random spawns, random dungeons, scalable difficulty with rewards. so does EVE.
and ppl still get bored, its still a grind.

PvE can be overhauled yeah, it can be improved with some greater unpredictability yeah, and id like that somewhere down the line.