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Colonel Kurtz
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Posted - 2003.09.23 23:39:00 -
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I was really annoyed about the way the miner2s were introduced into the game.
WE as corp are working our *** off and others get an item for free which gives them millions a day, every day without doing anything.
Finally, we decided to ignore that thing and what ?
CCP is bringing it up on the official news that one of this lucky corps is only accepting mega for miner2s.
DAMN! WE (my corp) have discussed this topic the whole evening and to tell you one thing: every one of us is really ******** off.
Introduce the miner2 to the public and stop this b*********. Yours. Col. Kurtz Ceo of the GE
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Tabius
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Posted - 2003.09.23 23:41:00 -
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Ditto |
Veloran
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Posted - 2003.09.23 23:41:00 -
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Here here... I agree complete, as I also stated in my post.
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EagleFour
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Posted - 2003.09.23 23:42:00 -
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i feel your pain man... this has got my corporation in an uproar as well.. prepare to get flamed though there are some people here who dont feel you have a right to complain. JOBS - Got Moin?
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Muad' Dib
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Posted - 2003.09.23 23:43:00 -
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It was a bunch of crap. Still dont like CCP to this day for it
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.09.23 23:45:00 -
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Quote: WE as corp are working our *** off and others get an item for free which gives them millions a day, every day without doing anything.
CCP is bringing it up on the official news that one of this lucky corps is only accepting mega for miner2s.
STFU. 1. None received a BPC for free. 2. Techell spent billions for their copies. 3. It's not CCP, it's players who report these news.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Tabius
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Posted - 2003.09.23 23:48:00 -
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Yep, it created a lot of very bad feelings.
So many hundreds of players thought they were working hard and making progress... and the rug just got yanked out from under them.
They either fold and deal with this, thereby making Techell richer, or fall behind.
It's like running a marathon, and then getting beat by a guy that gets out of a Car at the very end and walks across the finish line with a mai-tai in his hand... |
Rutherford
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Posted - 2003.09.23 23:51:00 -
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You guys are a bunch of whining, jealous gnats!
If you had it your way everything would sell at cost, like other drab and boring games out there.
Why not make it a single player game?!?! Perhaps then you might actually have nothing to say.
Techell are a bunch of hardcores. They worked hard and dedicated a lot of time and energy into EVE. They deserve to reap the rewards they have access too. When only a couple mega corps had BS blueprints they were selling several types of bs' themselves. Very impressive!
Good work Techell. Keep it up!
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Hafthor
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Posted - 2003.09.23 23:53:00 -
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Excuse me?!?!?!? Techel received their miner II bp after a screwup by TorfiFrans as far as I know. In any case there were miner II BP's distributed through an event that didn't require any real work.
Why not introduce miner II units through agents? People that do agent missions are sure to play the game and it would affect the market in a positive way. Selling for 3M when the ingredients cost 50k is crazy after a month in the game!!!!!
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Colonel Kurtz
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Posted - 2003.09.23 23:54:00 -
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Bla bla Ruther- we are around 70 members- most of them online every day, working hard. Whats the policy of CCP ?
MAKE THE RICH RICHER ?????????????
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Tabius
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Posted - 2003.09.23 23:59:00 -
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Quote: You guys are a bunch of whining, jealous gnats!
If you had it your way everything would sell at cost, like other drab and boring games out there.
Why not make it a single player game?!?! Perhaps then you might actually have nothing to say.
Techell are a bunch of hardcores. They worked hard and dedicated a lot of time and energy into EVE. They deserve to reap the rewards they have access too. When only a couple mega corps had BS blueprints they were selling several types of bs' themselves. Very impressive!
Good work Techell. Keep it up!
I have zero animosity toward Techell, if CCP handed me the Miner II blueprint, I'd probably laugh for a few hours and then do the same thing... that doesn't make it fair. It really seems like CCP played favorites here... |
Rutherford
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Posted - 2003.09.24 00:05:00 -
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Carve a future for your 70+ member corp and stop whining likely a spoiled little ninny!
You guys dislike Techell because they are succussfull.
I have yet to read a well rounded argument with respect to your negative view on this matter. Instead, many people revert to the old, "It just isnt fair," tactic.
Grow up and graduated from kindergarden.
p.s. I am the typo king!
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.09.24 00:06:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 24/09/2003 00:08:01
Quote: Excuse me?!?!?!? Techel received their miner II bp after a screwup by TorfiFrans as far as I know. In any case there were miner II BP's distributed through an event that didn't require any real work.
Why not introduce miner II units through agents? People that do agent missions are sure to play the game and it would affect the market in a positive way. Selling for 3M when the ingredients cost 50k is crazy after a month in the game!!!!!
1. No, Techell did NOT recieve any BP. They have 2 BPCs and they bought both of them for very big money. (edit, so there are no misunderstanding: they bought the BPCs from other players who had aquired them through events)
2. Didn't require any real work? Try yourself to blow up 10 GM's in battleship while they are using \heal as much as they can and also use commands to destroy ships without even shooting at it.
3. Noticed that agents now give out implants that sells for 20M each and can't be aquired in any other way? And I'm sure much more will be introduced through agents.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Darkstarr
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Posted - 2003.09.24 00:16:00 -
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If CCP show any more favoritism in future like this Miner 2 ****up, I'm outta here My $12.95 a month wont make much difference I know, but why should the vast majority of the player base get screwed over like this and have the privilage to pay for it FFS?!?
I check the market prices of Miner 2's everyday and until they drop to a fair market price i.e. 40-50K NOT 3-5 ******* MILLION, I'll never afford one. Every day I get more and more annoyed at what CCP has done. They made a select few people VERY happy and VERY rich and done nothing but **** on the rest of us! WAY TO GO *******S!!!
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IcedBach Jr
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Posted - 2003.09.24 00:21:00 -
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Hell, dont attack the news bringer, I think the report was well written and thats what I value the most. Hell, the miner monopoly will end sooner or later but at least it keeps ore prices up this way. Praeludium to success |
Igwilve
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Posted - 2003.09.24 00:22:00 -
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Quote: Whats the policy of CCP ?
MAKE THE RICH RICHER ?????????????
Again with the egalitarianism. Is there some sort of epidemic?
Economic equality is the sign of a stagnant economy. Those who first acquired the Miner II BPs took a HUGE risk to do so, and were rewarded when they were successful. Techell had amassed sufficient wealth through clever business decisions to be in a position to take advantage of this opportunity and purchased the blueprints.
Now, as to why they still sell the Miner II's at such a huge markup? Clearly this is the price the market will bear - Techell has engineered demand by limiting supply. In the real world, DeBeers does much the same thing with diamonds, and I don't see the world rising up against them.
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ImEasy
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Posted - 2003.09.24 00:45:00 -
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The SA were handed the BP for Miner II : The event took place in SA space - no one else had a chance to aquire the bp under these circumstances. Therefore CCP knew exactly what it was doing when it rallied this 'event'. Under the guise of an 'event' it handed SA something more valuable than anything else in the game. Gaurenteed to earn them billions. As SA has hundreds of ships at its disposal it wasnt too high a price to lose a dozen ships or so. People are rightly ****ed at that, but not at SA. Its CCP they want revenge on. Tetchell bought bpc of the Miner II off SA - good luck to them I thought. But then they started asking daft isk, and even more stupid people paid it. Now they are asking for mega, and again, more stupid people will play along. The problem here for me isnt Tetchell, or SA, its CCP themselves. They have removed from everyone who isnt associated as buddies to the Dev's or GM's the right to participate, to get ahead in the game. Thats what upsets me, not the isk Tetchell earn.
PS: Hey Tetchell, im getting 1200+ bistot out of every roid i mine .... for the right isk ill sell you the location - <-- thats true btw. 1200 every roid ive mined , not blown a single roid yet as my indi can only take 400 bistot !
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Im Easy....work it out for yourself >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.09.24 00:48:00 -
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Edited by: Ana Khouri on 24/09/2003 00:55:36 Techell bought the miner2 BPC fair and square - but that doesn't changes anything about how extremly unaware (some?) GMs and devs are about the game and it's game mechanics.
The original miner2 fiasco. A art director cruised a little around empire space with a jove newb frig and gave 2 players (or we had two devs give one) each a tech lvl5 jove "newb miner". His excuse was that he didn't knew how imbalanced such a thing would be. Granted, he was an art director and not someone involved with the item design/game balancing, but still... The current amount of technology could have easily be checked by a quick scan of the market. Any newb playing since one day would have had a better knowledge of eve.
Ok, this was a blunder, a minor one, but still a blunder. But what happened afterwards was worse. A lot worse.
They exchanged those 2 tech5 miners - which would have been a trophy piece at worst - for miner2 BP's. I don't think we have to discuss which had more serious impact on eve.
Techell later bought the BPC from those people.
I strongly doubt this jove hunt with the additional miner2 BPC was something planned beforehand. It was just a desperate attempt to reduce the impact of the previous mistakes. Which failed mostly.
Why? Because they took the worst place for this event possible. Stain.
Geographically it made sense. Personally, as jovian fugitive, stain would have been the place I would have fled to too.
But from the political landscape it made no sense of all - the home of the at this time (and probably now, too, but FA is becoming a serious adversary) strongest region alliance, notorious for podding intruders of any kind.
Sure, stain had to allow other people into their realm, but we know the result. Non-SA ships trying to get to the loot (be it a shuttle or a BS) was killed. All miner2 copies of that event were in SA hands. Which only produced them for internal use. Which removed some potentional miner2 buyers from the owners of the original 2 BPC, but for the average eve citicen it changed absolutly nothing. "Great work", really
(before you flame this please note that I never said that SA hadn't the biggest number of ships in combat there or that the maiority of those people trying to get at the cargo were not ninjalooters - that doesn't changes a thing about the outcome, though)
Another, a lot smaller, but pretty similar incident:
A member of my corp lost a BP due to a bug. Cannot remember the BP exactly, but it wasn't something overly expansive.
So, a GM gave us something in exchange for the loss. A Large SB BP. Which wasn't on the market then. Shortly after Large SB - rare or common - stopped to drop from whatever places they could be obtained.
My corp made around 300 mil from selling Large SB until the BP were finally introduced with the last patch.
I doubt that was the aim of the GM when he replaced our loss with that BP. But since he had no real knowledge of the current economical situation of EVE it happend.
CCP URGENTLY need to have a few persons who actually have a insight on the game. ATM they seem to have none.
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Veloran
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Posted - 2003.09.24 01:03:00 -
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I agree Ana.. completely. Well stated.
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Annatar
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Posted - 2003.09.24 01:16:00 -
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I think that it is not the thing if a Corp has paid for a Miner II BP Copy, or get them throu an event. There are also the Players that buy them to such high prices and keep the Price up. And, yep there are the money worth, if you mine a lot,you have the money fast back...
The thing is that nobody can make everything to get a Miner II without buy it for the Price (two? they are two who have a BP copy ?) depending by the corps who produce it.
And they make a lot of money, enougth to buy much more Battleship BP Orginals as i can fly in the next month¦s.
I think the time have come that there monopol should go to the respective end. It is CCP they should have put miner II BP¦s or Miner II on the Market. Since weeks I hope with every patch that they will bring miner II (in wich way ever)to the market and to all Players.
It is unfair that most player didn¦t ever have another chance to get single runs, org. BP¦s or a single miner II a diffrent way without to buy them form the producing corp.(or for more at another Player that traes them)
A CCP guy make a mistake in dropping the Nibelungen Laser(it was never supposed to be) then they make another unlucky step and hand out the Miner II BP Copy in excange for the Nibelungen mining Laser. Then they put some other Miner II BP Copys in the game. This was a good and first step. The Price wents down.
but the Corps that have the BPc still have the rigth to print ISK in dozen Million each single day.
They have bilions now.. and can buy everything they want. They will be the first with a Refining Station regardless how expansive the Station are. Give us all the small chance that with a little luck your own "good" corp can get the same things in the next Month¦s.
So i say: Enough is enough
End this by bringing the Miner II (in wich way ever) to all Players.
---------------------------------------------- this all above are my personal standings and I don¦t want to flame anybody. (well, without CCP but just a little bit)
-------------------------------------------- Never argue with an Idoit, they will drag you down to their Level and beat you with experience. |
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.09.24 01:30:00 -
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CCP needs to get those miner II bp's out to the market so theres some healthy competition. Another thing CCP - any future "events" need to take place in empire space where everyone has a chance to participate not in the middle of some psycho alliances territory where no one else can go.
Clearly favorites were played here. Time to rectify the situation. Put the BP's on the market!!!!
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Mjr Tom
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Posted - 2003.09.24 01:48:00 -
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Quote: CCP needs to get those miner II bp's out to the market so theres some healthy competition. Another thing CCP - any future "events" need to take place in empire space where everyone has a chance to participate not in the middle of some psycho alliances territory where no one else can go
Healthy competition? Like when the market is so flooded with goods that they are forced to be sold at cost?
Everyone able to participate in empire space events? What about your friendly neighbourhood pirate? Can he just strut in and have CONCORD ignore him? Can we have massive battles for an item in high sec space without legal interferance? Why the hell would the Jovian guys from that event, WANTED CRIMINALS, want to set foot in empire space?
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Saladin
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Posted - 2003.09.24 02:05:00 -
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I have to say I generally agree with Ana's post, but there is an additional thing that annoys me here.
This event occured very close to the date in which the patch with the BPc limit was introduced. Why did they not wait until after the patch to do the event? a limited run BPc would have been a much more balanced reward. People who acquired the BPc, either through the event or by purchasing it not only made money from sales, but made money from their own use of the miner II laser.
Back to the event that started this all, torfifrans giving away a tech 5 mining laser. If this was a mistake, it should have been simply rectified by removing the tech 5 laser forcibly from the game. I don't see why they had to give a miner II bp copy away at all. --------------------------- (c) Copyright Saladin, 2005. Any editing of this post by a third party will be in violation United States Internet Copyright law 46525 of 2003. |
Arathmon
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Posted - 2003.09.24 03:57:00 -
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Edited by: Arathmon on 24/09/2003 04:00:51 I don't like people attacking the player driven news sources.
I do however like it when people attack CCP's retarded policy concerning how new tech is being introduced to the game.
I've been saying all along that CCP should only introduce higher tech lvl items through the market, since that is the only solution fair to everyone.
I mean... come on people! It's a mining laser, and it's ONLY tech lvl 2! First off... mining lasers are one of the most popular modules in the game. They're supposed to be mass manufactured, there should simply not be a monopoly on them.
If things are this bad when tech 2 is introduced, I think I'll be quitting long before we reach tech 5. --------------- I used to be in the FA. I like cookies. Eve Radio is teh pwn. |
Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.09.24 06:46:00 -
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Quote: Healthy competition? Like when the market is so flooded with goods that they are forced to be sold at cost?
There's a difference between 1 corp selling miner2 or 10 or 100. 1 is not enough, 10-20 would be ok, 100 would be too much. Currently we have basically 1..
Quote: Everyone able to participate in empire space events? What about your friendly neighbourhood pirate? Can he just strut in and have CONCORD ignore him? Can we have massive battles for an item in high sec space without legal interferance? Why the hell would the Jovian guys from that event, WANTED CRIMINALS, want to set foot in empire space?
First - there is low security, 0.1 - 0.4, empire space as well. Pirates have no problems at all there. In case of the jovian event it would have been no trouble at all to plot a cource straight though the core of eve, this would gave chances to everyone. The "why" would be easy. For example, a derelict jumpgate in system xy on the other side of the galaxy which they want to use to flee from this realm.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2003.09.24 07:20:00 -
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Still whining about a laser that can only kill rocks?
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
CT BadIronTree
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Posted - 2003.09.24 07:32:00 -
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miner 2 monopoly is the BIGEST misteic that CCP did...
MONOPOLY sould not be in items of first need...
is like there is monopoly in MILK!!!
the prise in trade channel is 7 milions... and cost 40k to make them
imagine that the make a bottle of water and not selling it for 1$ but for 100$!!!!!!! some poeple will buy it... if is the only one selling it...
the 4-5 corps they now have more money to build 10 stations...
now they have all BP the walet is full and they cant put eny money in the walet...
THEY NEED mega so they can build BS
DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE this in not capitalism this is exploiding people to dead...
shame on you ============================================ Colossus Technologies The first and oldest corp in eve! BadIronTree Head of Production
CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode. --------------------------------------- playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5) ---------------------------------------
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Marlena
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Posted - 2003.09.24 07:43:00 -
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Yeha, this was booring, it was tti who got the bp from CCP right? :( My corp needs it more..
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Fartracker
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Posted - 2003.09.24 10:12:00 -
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They need Mega? FINE, 50k per piece. They dont LIKE that? TOUGH T*****! Then they can go MINE THEIR OWN.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.09.24 10:23:00 -
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A Miner II takes 2 whooping units of Mega IIRC - they could keep production up for a while with a handfull of people swapping at the 3/1000 rate.
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