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Vapn	Posted - 2006.05.31 04:42:00 - [1] Hopefully someone at CCP will see this and consider opening up a second server that is PVE. I'd play this game in a heartbeat then. I ran into a snag that reminded me exactly why I don't like games with PVP. I was mining and got my ship blown up, and the guy who did it was warp scrambling me. Now as I understand it from asking around in the channels, I had two options at this point. 1) Sit around and wait for him to get bored (he did keep me there for almost 5 minutes before opening a dialog with me to discuss terms about me keeping my POD intact). 2) Log out and wait a little while and log back in Quite honestly any game that allows one player to do that to another player is not a game for me. So CCP, if you decide to open that PVE server, I'll play this game in a heartbeat. I'll keep an eye out on the webpage for the announcement... Otherwise, it's a great game, it's just a shame you're going for a small niche of the MMORPG player base.
Gierling	Posted - 2006.05.31 04:44:00 - [2] PVP Fosters compelling human drama... You feel that feeling, this game MADE YOU FEEL THAT. Its not for everyone and if thats the case, you can leave. However itis quite an exquisite joy to make friends and enemies in the game and be able to revel in thier successes and failures, and ultimately to ensure them. Proposal to fix blobbing and make Charisma useful.
Ernest Graefenberg	Posted - 2006.05.31 04:44:00 - [3] What? You could just go dock. Unless you're in 0.0 and don't have a station bookmark.
Vapn	Posted - 2006.05.31 04:46:00 - [4] Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg What? You could just go dock. Unless you're in 0.0 and don't have a station bookmark. I tried to move, I was at an asteroid belt and everytime I tried to "DOCK" at the station in the system, it would remind me of the warp scambler in effect, holding me in place. Eventually he did kill me, so the problem was solved.
Rongar Maximus	Posted - 2006.05.31 04:46:00 - [5] The solution is simple. Stay in space with a security > .4
Feyt	Posted - 2006.05.31 04:49:00 - [6] Your kidding arent you? please tell me you are. No you will NEVER see a PVE only shard of EVE, if they did that it would be EVE. I always hate it when people say this but for once i have to agree.... go back to WOW. Eve is about one cohesive world where everyone can intereact on every possible level, including killing you and you killing them for something as miner as looking at them wrong. Suck it up boy and get back out there.
Vapn	Posted - 2006.05.31 04:50:00 - [7] Originally by: Rongar Maximus The solution is simple. Stay in space with a security > .4 This would be the third option.. Allow those players to deny some of the game to others. Still not a good option in my opinion, but worth noting.
Righteous Fury	Posted - 2006.05.31 04:53:00 - [8] Good, we didn't want you anyway. If you want solo eve, please go play X3 or Freelancer. Thanks.
Vincent Gaines	Posted - 2006.05.31 04:54:00 - [9] Originally by: Vapn Originally by: Feyt Eve is about one cohesive world where everyone can intereact on every possible level, including killing you and you killing them for something as miner as looking at them wrong. I agree with you Feyt, unfortunately, that kind of game is not for me. I do love the way this game is done, except for that one part of it. Utimately CCP will decide if they want those customers that would prefer to play a non PVP game.. If not then that's my loss I know... can I have your stuff?
Vapn	Posted - 2006.05.31 04:54:00 - [10] Originally by: Righteous Fury Good, we didn't want you anyway. If you want solo eve, please go play X3 or Freelancer. Thanks. Cute
Vincent Gaines	Posted - 2006.05.31 04:54:00 - [11] Originally by: Vapn Originally by: Rongar Maximus The solution is simple. Stay in space with a security > .4 This would be the third option.. Allow those players to deny some of the game to others. Still not a good option in my opinion, but worth noting. ok, how about this? Option 1: Get some of your corp mates to escort you Option 2: Use WCS Option 3: Pay attention to local and your sorroundings Option 4: Stay out of low sec if you don't want risk
Vapn	Posted - 2006.05.31 04:54:00 - [12] Originally by: Feyt Eve is about one cohesive world where everyone can intereact on every possible level, including killing you and you killing them for something as miner as looking at them wrong. I agree with you Feyt, unfortunately, that kind of game is not for me. I do love the way this game is done, except for that one part of it. Utimately CCP will decide if they want those customers that would prefer to play a non PVP game.. If not then that's my loss I know...
Eternal Fury	Posted - 2006.05.31 04:55:00 - [13] First off, this game is based on PvP as it's centerpoint. Not PvE. Second. What were you doing in low sec(low security space being a system with a 0.4 -0.1 security status. if you were out there mining without knowing what you were doing it was your own fault. there is PLENTY to do for the PvEer. you can mine quite safely in highsec(0.5-1.0) you can run combat/tradeing/courier/biulding/research missions, you can do courier runs, you can build things, you can trade things, you can rat(meaning to kill the NPC badguys that spawn around asteroid belts) and so on. This isn't WoW or City of Hero's where you play against the computer 98% of the time. learn the do's and don't of space, and you should be quite safe 98% of the time. Yes there are a few cases where you can still be jumped, but if you are smart, and learn the tricks, you should be fine. The Brotherhood of Light. Small Corp. Big Fun.
JForce	Posted - 2006.05.31 04:56:00 - [14] Originally by: Vapn Originally by: Rongar Maximus The solution is simple. Stay in space with a security > .4 This would be the third option.. Allow those players to deny some of the game to others. Still not a good option in my opinion, but worth noting. You're looking at it from the point of view of someone who got blown up because you were stupid. You want no other characters? Just PvE? What would have happened if that ship that warp scrambled you was an AI ship? Would you then be complaining about how you are waiting for the non-warp scrambling version of Eve? Sounds to me like you'll be unhappy no matter what happens. JForce The Arrow Project N.W.A Reprezent
Vapn	Posted - 2006.05.31 04:58:00 - [15] Eternal thanks for those suggestions... I might just try that if I decide I want to come back and play around with it some more... Like I have said, I do like the game, and maybe I just need to approach it in a differnt manner. Vincent, sorry, my uncle plays the game, and I am going to give it to him.
Yurii Chan	Posted - 2006.05.31 04:58:00 - [16] Edited by: Yurii Chan on 31/05/2006 05:00:10 grrrrrr... i wanted to be the 1st with the CIHYS post =\ -end of edit- haha sorry but i have to do it.... can i have ur stuff?!!! btw, im not always one to pvp... hell i hate it sometimes you know why? because unlike kiddy games, if i make a mistake, my poor vagabond/huginn/muninn/tempest/claw or whatever is dead and i have to spend another 2-3 hours mining/ratting/missionwhoring in order to afford another ship (that i'll lose in under 20 seconds) now if you were mining and a pirate came along to jack you up... let me remind you of a few simple rules rule #21441, if you cant handle a pirate, dont go below .5 sec. rule #12555, if you are in .4 and below, please watch local for hostiles (i know most people hate local for that reason but use it while you have it) rule #1, EVE WILL NEVER BE DIVIDED. otherwise it just would become another run of the mill WOW with pew pew instead of slash slash...
Mathias Black	Posted - 2006.05.31 05:00:00 - [17] Edited by: Mathias Black on 31/05/2006 05:01:36 I think there's plenty to do if you want to play alone and not interact with anyone else, more than in a lot of MMO's. I don't think the fact that you can't easily solo 0.0 space is "denying" that part of the game to you. MMO's should encourage players banding together. But still, you can get fairly rich mining and trading in secure space, and you can get all your skills to the max without even logging on... what more do you want? Secure space in Eve IS the "PvE server". If you willingly go into non secure space, it's like logging on to a PvP server. It's your own fault if you get killed. Originally by: Vapn Originally by: JForce What would have happened if that ship that warp scrambled you was an AI ship? Would you then be complaining about how you are waiting for the non-warp scrambling version of Eve? I don't believe an NPC ship would have held me "hostage" for almost 5 minutes, it would have just killed me... Believe me if he'd have just POD killed me, I'd have been fine with it. You could have ejected or self-destructed your ship if you REALLY wanted to die.
Vapn	Posted - 2006.05.31 05:00:00 - [18] Originally by: JForce What would have happened if that ship that warp scrambled you was an AI ship? Would you then be complaining about how you are waiting for the non-warp scrambling version of Eve? I don't believe an NPC ship would have held me "hostage" for almost 5 minutes, it would have just killed me... Believe me if he'd have just POD killed me, I'd have been fine with it.
Vapn	Posted - 2006.05.31 05:05:00 - [19] Originally by: Mathias Black You could have ejected or self-destructed your ship if you REALLY wanted to die. Out of everything said here so far, this comment is making me reconsider... I didn't even think of that at the time.
Feyt	Posted - 2006.05.31 05:10:00 - [20] Originally by: Vapn I agree with you Feyt, unfortunately, that kind of game is not for me. I do love the way this game is done, except for that one part of it. Utimately CCP will decide if they want those customers that would prefer to play a non PVP game.. If not then that's my loss I know... A suggestion for you Vapn, try to enjoy dying, honestly its not that bad. I used to only play PVE mmorgs in the past and truth be told i kinda went brain dead from it. Just the other day i had my first PVP contact where i actively fought back. My hearts never beaten so hard. In the ende i lost but instead of ticking me off and making me want to quit it made me want to go off, reconsider my stratagie and then hunt the guy down for a rematch. Eve takes a shift in perspective over other online games, its not all about pvp, but it is unavoidable to an extent. Trust me, dont fight it, accept it as a part of everyday life (just like the risk of being mugged down some dark back street is) and you'll find you'll enjoy eve even more than if it WAS a PVE only game.
Daos Leghki	Posted - 2006.05.31 05:13:00 - [21] Vapn, I know how you feel. I lost my first cruiser about 10 minutes after I got it. It sucks. Now, try to kit out a cruiser and go kill a miner in low-sec. You'll understand why everyone is talking about EvE being a PvP game then. It's exciting because you have something to lose. Unlike in WoW, where you lose next to nothing for not being victorious in combat, in Eve you put your ship and potentially your pod on the line. That MAKES you think about whether you want to go into combat, it forces you to assess risk. Yes, there are players that will warp scramble you and kill you (me included). Just keep in mind that they're not bad guys (haven't run into a pirate that wasn't a nice chap, have had a lot of good talks with pirates). Convo them and talk a bit, you'll learn soon enough. Eve takes about a month to fully get into, but after that, you'll get hooked :)
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.05.31 05:14:00 - [22] Can I have your corpse? Click Above
Johnny Twoshoe	Posted - 2006.05.31 05:16:00 - [23] Edited by: Johnny Twoshoe on 31/05/2006 05:18:21 Originally by: Vapn Originally by: Rongar Maximus The solution is simple. Stay in space with a security > .4 This would be the third option.. Allow those players to deny some of the game to others. Still not a good option in my opinion, but worth noting. Try fighting back. Yes, being a carebear I know you're going to say "But I have no combat skills!", or worse yet (And I'll probably get burned for this one) "But I don't want to harm a fellow human being!" Seriously, if you don't want to do it, then hire someone. Hire someone to protect you as you mine. If you get wardecced, hire someone to fight the war for you. CCP will not cater directly to the carebears; you will never see a PVE-only EVE 'shard' (Which, for one thing, is what CCP doesn't want - a shard). This game revolves around PVP in all its forms. Determination is key to success; yes you're going to get blown the **** up, but you've just got to deal with it. Pick up your ashes and move on. I got blown up several times in my first couple of months, but I saw it as a challenge. I saw it as CCP's way of saying "Don't give up, sir Newbie, in the end you can prevail." ~~~ Like a blind hammer... That destroys what it can't see...
BlackHole Bob	Posted - 2006.05.31 05:17:00 - [24] Edited by: BlackHole Bob on 31/05/2006 05:19:39 you know... it is sad to see, but he has a valid point The guys that founded EvE and CCP are hardcore pvp players for the most part. EvE is designed with PVP as its core aspect. This is not a game for many... If you do not think this is true then just look back at what happened to Ultima online when trammel was introduced. Then look at how crowded secure space is. 80% (4 out of 5) of the players left for trammel. The orginal poster of this thread falls into that catgegory. This is why WoW has 5-6 million subscribers and EvE has 120k what the sad part is, I look up and see, is the same smart responses to a "person" who just does not like PVP and wants to play a game. Can I have your stuff? Go play WoW? I long ago was also a hardcore murderer in UO. For a few years at that. I saw all the changes, all the carebear world be born, and also the community show that 4 out of 5 online gamers do not like NON-CONSENTUAL PVP. I see nothing wrong with that he doesn't like EvE. He commented kindly and offered a solution. Some did the same and offered solutions to his issues..others told him good riddance. hmmm.... reminds me of this... I was a honorable PKer in UO. No smack talk, gates back to ressurect and in many cases killed the rude pvpers who just had no boundries in there wanting to "grief" to the posters who offered this man solutions, I honor you... to those who retorted with the other comments... I would shoot you soon as I can lock.... Blackhole Bob EvE IGB "in game" player guide
Johnny Twoshoe	Posted - 2006.05.31 05:21:00 - [25] Edited by: Johnny Twoshoe on 31/05/2006 05:21:17 Originally by: BlackHole Bob <snip> The man already knows the solution to his problems: fight back. He just doesn't seem to want to do it. ~~~ Like a blind hammer... That destroys what it can't see...
Vapn	Posted - 2006.05.31 05:23:00 - [26] Originally by: BlackHole Bob a "person" who just does not like PVP and wants to play a game. Exactly.
Sevarus James	Posted - 2006.05.31 05:24:00 - [27] thought you were quittin' bob. thought you had this big response coming on your website bob. To the OP. EVE is PVP. non pvp eve would be the most boring thing in the extreme. As to 6million vs. 120k, pullease. That's like saying the National Enquirer is a good paper because 60% of Americans read it. give me a break. ----- ------------ Linux Desktop+EVE
BlackHole Bob	Posted - 2006.05.31 05:24:00 - [28] Originally by: Johnny Twoshoe Edited by: Johnny Twoshoe on 31/05/2006 05:21:17 Originally by: BlackHole Bob <snip> The man already knows the solution to his problems: fight back. He just doesn't seem to want to do it. The weak shall perish... this is why eve grows and why other games work overtime to even stay afloat Blackhole Bob EvE IGB "in game" player guide
GrimDoomsday	Posted - 2006.05.31 05:40:00 - [29] you missed- option 3) Self destruct your pod.
Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2006.05.31 05:47:00 - [30] on a server without pvp, what would the minerals be needed for u want to mine? what would the isk be for u grind so hard? npc ships dont kill many, every1 whos not very new know how not to loose a ship to npcs, so - pvp is needed to get the market goin - lowsec pirating is needed to keep the ressources comin from lowsec expensive, etc. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.

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