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Hampstah
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.01 19:57:00 -
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I fly a rapier so much, and talk about it so much, that it's become a running joke in my corp. Kcel was wrong on the range but right on the idea, it's a support ship, get a Vaga for solo pwnage.
So, here's my current setup:
High: 3x720s, cloak II
Med: 10MN AB(no need for mwd with arties, painters and webs)
2x Faction Webbies (I'm using 14KM which gives 47km with Recon 4)
1x target Painter (insta popping frigs is fun)
1x Multi-Spec (or target disruptor or 3rd web, lots of options even Invul Shield would be ok)
1x Large Shield Ext
Low: 1x PDU 2, 3x Local Nanos (or Gyro IIs, PDU IIs. I use nanos for speed and faster warping)
I've found just the Large shield extender, which gives over 4K shields, is enough defense in small gangs. If I know we're going in outnumbered I may put a Invuln or 2 on. They are still fairly cheap so getting faction webs isn't too painful.
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Evil's Dawn
Minmatar
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.08 04:36:00 -
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I absolutely love this ship. I use two setups, one for gate camping and small gangs, and one for solo roaming.
Gate camping / small gangs:
3x 720mm Arties
1x Covop Cloak
2x DB Webbies
1x Tracking Computer
1x SB II
1x TP II
1x 10mn Aft
1x Gyro
1x RCU
1x Med Armor Rep
1x Dmg Control
4x Valk IIs
This murders support. It is paper-thin though. So if you start taking any damage at all, it's time to bail. May try swapping the rep out for a plate, and the afterburner for another EW mod.
Solo-ing:
3x 220 AC II
1x Covop Cloak
2x Multispec
2x 7.5 Scrams
1x MWD
1x Web
1x 800mm Plate
1x Hardener (I solo in Blood space, so usually Thermal)
2x Gyro
4x Valks
Haven't tried this one too much. But it has worked on the occasion I did use it.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.09.08 06:34:00 -
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Is there a reason why you have a MWD on a cloaking ship for PvP stance? I mean I don't know if you know this, but like if you have the opponent ECM jammed + webbed. You will more than likely be faster than the target. 1 more ECM only increases the chances more to get a ECM jam.
As it stands you have a MWD that does nothing for your setup but help you run away. I mean if that's why you're fitting it. Then more power to you. If you're fitting it because you have close range gunnery on. Then you're fitting the MWD for the wrong reasons when you can sneak on a target with the cloak (Be in range).
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Evil's Dawn
Minmatar
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.08 07:48:00 -
[34]
 Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Is there a reason why you have a MWD on a cloaking ship for PvP stance? I mean I don't know if you know this, but like if you have the opponent ECM jammed + webbed. You will more than likely be faster than the target. 1 more ECM only increases the chances more to get a ECM jam.
As it stands you have a MWD that does nothing for your setup but help you run away. I mean if that's why you're fitting it. Then more power to you. If you're fitting it because you have close range gunnery on. Then you're fitting the MWD for the wrong reasons when you can sneak on a target with the cloak (Be in range).
Hmm..you make a good point. The MWD is there not for range purposes. It is there for running away. I don't fit stabs (ever), so I do need something to help me bail if I need to. Of course if I'm not webbed, I can easily get out of range, especially the people I'd be hunting (NPC'ers) probably don't have a scram. Perhaps throwing out the plate and MWD and adding a shield extender and a damage mod/nanofiber would be more advantageous.
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Masu'di
Es and Whizz
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Posted - 2006.09.08 11:12:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Evil's Dawn
Hmm..you make a good point. The MWD is there not for range purposes. It is there for running away. I don't fit stabs (ever), so I do need something to help me bail if I need to. Of course if I'm not webbed, I can easily get out of range, especially the people I'd be hunting (NPC'ers) probably don't have a scram. Perhaps throwing out the plate and MWD and adding a shield extender and a damage mod/nanofiber would be more advantageous.
yep i fly it in a similar way, with the MWD for escaping. sometimes even when cloaked, I have a short ammount of time before the target moves off, so the MWD is handy to quickly get in range. i tend to use the MWD in most my solo setups, it's just handy to be able to get about quickly, when not always got instas and also to be able to run away from interdictor bubbles too. it offers a lot of flexibility and survivability to the solo pilot.
i know someone who flies a Rapier with two large shield extenders, and have done it myself. it works well for soloing. while i sometimes prefer a plate to allow my mid slots for nasty webbing and ew, you then have to think about an armour repairer if you are going deep into enemy territory and no stations about to repair in. with the shields they usually buy you enough time to take your target out and then escape, the advantage is that they naturally repair themselves without needing active extra modules.
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Akallabeth Avaria
Armoured Assassins
Blood of the Innocents
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Posted - 2006.09.08 11:59:00 -
[36]
High: 3x650mm t2 arties, cov ops cloack.
Med: 10mn t2 mwd, faction warp disruptor,2x fleeting prop inhibitors, 2xlarge T2 shield extenders.
Low: 3PDU T2 1x Gyro T2.
Somtimes I drop one of shield extenders for T2 sensor booster.
Add small mobile warp bubble and you get perfect trap for these fast frigs on instas.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.09.08 18:51:00 -
[37]
ECM and light tank. No need to gimp your mid slots for shield tanking. Shield tanking is cool and the Rapier can do it well, being it has the mid slots for it. However, this isn't a Raven. You're the only one there to web/scram the target. Not to mention you wont kill the target in 10 seconds. Unless it's a frigate.
That is why I focus on crippling a target with EW than about making a leet tank. Having a tank is good, always need a back up but not a full tank on this ship in solo pvp against real targets. Go cheap, go hard, and cripple your opponent with EW and leave the plate there with a rep if you want to. Just incase your 60-80% jam sucess fails for one cycle.
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Nicolie Emetes
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Nicolie Emetes on 20/10/2006 16:01:05
Anyone got any CovOpp Cloak and Probe Launcher combo setups with half decent damage or HP. Obviously I'd like to stick to the bonus's of the ship if possible.
(Twin Web / Scram / Paint)
Any ideas?
I intend to use it for tracking SS'd hostiles and holding them there while corpies arrive. Would be nice to get get a kill of my own though. 
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Zephirz
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.10.27 17:14:00 -
[39]
Yeah id also like to know any good setups with a probe launcher on it.
Would need a little survivability for when the gang arrives but main goal is to find and tackle the target.
so atleast
1 cov ops cloak, 1 probe launcher
2 webbies, 1 disruptor (probably faction)
Does anyone know something that works?
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Still Hart
Aurora Empire
Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2006.10.27 17:46:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Nicolie Emetes
Edited by: Nicolie Emetes on 20/10/2006 16:01:05
Anyone got any CovOpp Cloak and Probe Launcher combo setups with half decent damage or HP. Obviously I'd like to stick to the bonus's of the ship if possible.
(Twin Web / Scram / Paint)
Any ideas?
I intend to use it for tracking SS'd hostiles and holding them there while corpies arrive. Would be nice to get get a kill of my own though.
No, you won't get half decent damage with 2 guns and drones. You may be able to solo frigs and haulers I guess.
Anyhow, my regular solo setup uses 720 IIs, 2x RSD, 2x Web, 1x Faction Disruptor, 1x Sensor Booster. Can take any cruiser solo if played right.
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Zephirz
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.10.27 18:02:00 -
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A combined setup would be for gangs i imagine.
Anyway this is what i came up with as combo.
highs:
2 x 650mm II
1 x cov ops cloak
1 x probe launcher (do these have named variants?)
meds:
2 x DG webifier (could use normal too)
1 x DG disruptor (24km hope i can afford that :S )
1 x Sensor booster II
1 x Target painter II
1 x Named 10mn Ab
Lows:
1 x Med "accom" reppairer
1 x 800mm rolled tungsten
1 x Damage control
1 x Co-proc
Shame is that without the co-proc im 0.5 cpu short of fitting an internal force field (17 tf) Dunno if adv. weapon upgrades would solve that.
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DUFFMANX
Alcatraz Inc.
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2006.10.28 00:16:00 -
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Flying a rapier = killing at range so fit to that agenda
1 covert op cloak
3 720mm t2
2 fleeting webbers
1 ts disruptor
3 sensor damper t2
2 gyro t2
1 med rep t2
1 enam t2
4 t2 med drone
and when flying wit a buddy in a eos it kicks ass for the bonus to web\disurptor and damper range and thats how it should be used 
Originally by: dimensionZ
The biggest threat we ever had was xirtam mining plagioclase in aridia ...
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DUFFMANX
Alcatraz Inc.
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2006.10.28 00:18:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Zephirz
A combined setup would be for gangs i imagine.
Anyway this is what i came up with as combo.
highs:
2 x 650mm II
1 x cov ops cloak
1 x probe launcher (do these have named variants?)
meds:
2 x DG webifier (could use normal too)
1 x DG disruptor (24km hope i can afford that :S )
1 x Sensor booster II
1 x Target painter II
1 x Named 10mn Ab
Lows:
1 x Med "accom" reppairer
1 x 800mm rolled tungsten
1 x Damage control
1 x Co-proc
Shame is that without the co-proc im 0.5 cpu short of fitting an internal force field (17 tf) Dunno if adv. weapon upgrades would solve that.
Get a 3% reduction in turret cpu useage slot 10 gnome implant that costs 500k, helps alot 
Originally by: dimensionZ
The biggest threat we ever had was xirtam mining plagioclase in aridia ...
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Imhotep Khem
Vortex.
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Posted - 2006.10.28 02:14:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Imhotep Khem on 28/10/2006 02:14:28
Originally by: Madswede
I love the Rapier! There are so many options on what to use this ship for. However, it is not a solo pwn-mobile, rather it is at its best as a gang support ship, being particularly great at catching ships that are trying to flee through a gate. It does work really well for soloing frigs and ceptors though.
Anyways, my standard setup which works reasonably well in most situations (I can't remember it exactly):
High:
3x720 II, Cov-Ops Cloak
Mid:
2xWebbers (one is a DB, gives me 56k web range)
2xTarget Painters, 1x20k Warp Scrambler, 1xSensor Booster II
(I change the midslots around quite a lot depending on the situation, in fact, you can even use a 4xScrambler + Webber combo to lock down unsuspecting, stabbed BS until the cavalry arrives)
Low:
1xRCU II, 3xGyro II (this is for frig-sniping duty, use hardeners and plates for gangs)
This is the first setup I have seen that I would fit to my ship. I also fit a shield, and some sig amps in low. Lets not fool ourselves with all the plates and invulnerablity fields. The ship is a paper plane...
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Zephirz
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.10.28 08:55:00 -
[45]
Originally by: DUFFMANX
Get a 3% reduction in turret cpu useage slot 10 gnome implant that costs 500k, helps alot
<3 didnt think of that....
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Riddick06
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Posted - 2006.10.28 09:58:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Zephirz
Originally by: DUFFMANX
Get a 3% reduction in turret cpu useage slot 10 gnome implant that costs 500k, helps alot
<3 didnt think of that....
Why not change the sensor booster II for the named sensor booster that gives the same stats, i think it has less cpu requirements.
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Zephirz
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.10.28 22:53:00 -
[47]
Yeah also noticed that one today...
Anyway been playing around in quickfit and this is one damn versatile ship :)
what i got is basicly:
highs:
3 x 720mm II
1 x cov ops cloak
med:
2 x DG web
1 x DG disruptor
1 x Sensor booster II
2 slots to play with either damps/painters/ecm something like that.
lows:
1 x Med "accom" repairer
3 slots to play, resistance plating/gyros
got about 20 pg and 190 cpu left when i leave all those playslots open so moore than enough room to do whatever u like.
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DUFFMANX
Alcatraz Inc.
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2006.10.29 12:47:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Zephirz
Yeah also noticed that one today...
Anyway been playing around in quickfit and this is one damn versatile ship :)
what i got is basicly:
highs:
3 x 720mm II
1 x cov ops cloak
med:
2 x DG web
1 x DG disruptor
1 x Sensor booster II
2 slots to play with either damps/painters/ecm something like that.
lows:
1 x Med "accom" repairer
3 slots to play, resistance plating/gyros
got about 20 pg and 190 cpu left when i leave all those playslots open so moore than enough room to do whatever u like.
Ignore the sensorbooster, cos when u uncloak on a target u will be locking instantly and by time the booster is active uralready half locked on target and gettin minimal boost from it.
With signal analysis lvl 5 u already got a quiet respectable lock time to make any enemy cringe and be locked down. Also Dread webbers are for a better word rubbish in comparison to a x5 or fleeting. Wit recon lvl 4 x5\fleetings go to 34km and a fleeting still got 90% effect wheras dread got 60-70% effect. The dread disruptor is fine in spot though.
So basically ur setup matches mine 
Originally by: dimensionZ
The biggest threat we ever had was xirtam mining plagioclase in aridia ...
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Zephirz
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.10.29 16:40:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Zephirz on 29/10/2006 16:42:44
so your saying that i just bought all those dg webbers for nothing? :P
Anyway 70% or 90% doesnt really matter cause im dual webbing anyway.
(i suck at math and im tired)
dg web: 70% + 30%-70% > 70+21 = 91% slowdown
fleeting: 90% + 10%-90% > 90+9 = 99% slowdown
or dg + fleeting which gives me 97% slowdown and the range...
anyway does that 8% really make so much difference
Ill make sure to buy some fleetings too :P
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Weatherlights
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Posted - 2006.10.31 13:23:00 -
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That is my fitting:
HIGH: 3x720mm, 1x Cover Ops Cloack
MEDIUM: 2x Webs, 1x Target Painter, 1x Shield Hardner, 1x med Shield Booster, 1x Shield Boost Amplifier
LOWS: 4x PDU
This fitting allows you to use the Rapier as a heavy shield tank combined with low signature Radius. As a Support Ship you can take damage from a Battleship for some minutes while the person who does the damage can fire.
The hard part is the missing WSC but my Fitting is more designed to survive a combat and not to win it (alone).
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pludder
Caldari
Setenta Corp
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.23 17:23:00 -
[51]
Edited by: pludder on 23/11/2006 17:24:58
Edited by: pludder on 23/11/2006 17:24:06
Test made from Quick Fit 1.0b3:
HIGH-SLOTS :
1x 'Smokescreen' Covert Ops Cloacking Dev. 2
3x 720mm Howitzer Arty 2's (loaded with Tremor M it does 75.8dps and with the Quake M it does 126.33dps, a tad less dps with the ordinary T2's.)
MEDIUM-SLOTS :
2x Remote Sensor Dampener 2's
1x Estamel's Modyfied Inv. Field (50% resistance to all, the T2 has 30% to all)
1x Large Shield Extender 2
1x Domination Warp Disruptor (TS Disruptor can be used here)
1x Domination Statis Webifyer
LOW-SLOTS :
1x Internal Force Field Array I
3x Domination Gyrostab's
Remaining Stats: 36.7PG and 109.5CPU
Okay, this fitting will cost a "Giant Station Container" of ISK, one may exchange the inv. field and gyrostabs to ordinary tech2 to save some isk and still have some cpu/pg left.
Even the t2 inv. field will provide good balanced resistances.
This is "pludders" first attempt to suggest a fitting of a Rapier.
PS: Any feedback will be welcomed, bear in mind that this setup is meant for use with a wing-man or two... And perhaps some soloing in between if the prey is poppable.
Cheap Setup:
Hi:
3x 720's
1x Smokescreen (or perhaps a ordinary t2, with the skill Recon Ships 5)
Med:
2x RSD II's
1x Inv.Field II
1x LSE II
1x Domi Webber
1x TS Disruptor
Low:
Internal Force Field Array I
3x GyroStabs II's
Fly safe. ten-4.
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Kard Fater
Caldari
1337.sz. ITALBOLT
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Posted - 2006.11.23 18:39:00 -
[52]
Oh my, its sooo funny to read all those cr4p setups.
MWD/AB? Extenders? LOWL
RCU/PDU? WTF?
Fill the meds with EW and NOT try to tank it over - then you will have a ship thats a cloaking EW-monster, the ship it should be. Anywayz, just my two cents told. No prob if it wont reach ears, just be sure that I loot your cloak, thxbye.
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pludder
Caldari
Setenta Corp
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.23 21:05:00 -
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It was just a suggestion, i dont have any of the fat loot mentioned, infact i'm caldari, and a rapier wou°d see to be quite wastefull skillwise to go for.
Hehe.. Anyways... So MAX DPS is the thing to go for (+web/disrupt)
Tnx again.
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Riddick06
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Posted - 2006.11.23 21:08:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Rid****06 on 23/11/2006 21:09:02
Originally by: pludder
obscenely expensive rapier setup
Dont bother tanking the rapier if anything you may need a relay or two if you wish to use the quake ammo. No point in buying a webifier that out ranges your warp disruptor. Tbh the covert ops cloak II will do just fine.
Not sure if your going solo but if you are anything below battlecruiser is game anything over and it will be able to tank you easy unless poorly setup.
I can understand why people would fit an mwd, its alot more tricky to fly covertly than it would first appear.
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Dagnis
The Priory
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.24 08:08:00 -
[55]
3 720 t2
cov op cloak
2 Webs (X5)
2 remote sensor dampeners t2
Sensor booster t2
Large shield extender t2
Damage control
2 gyro t2
tracking enh t2
Works really well, love the recons ships usually am with a corp m8 with a arazu so i dont need points.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.11.24 08:38:00 -
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Solo
2x 720mm II, 1x Domination 720mm, Cloak
2x Fleeting Web, 1x Domination 30km Disruptor, 1x Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster, 2x Jammers (Caldari and Gallente unless you have a preference)
Small Rep II, 2x Adaptive Nano II, 800mm Plate
3x Valkyrie II, 2x Warrior II
If you're flush, the jammers can be DG Multispec, and the rep & nanos can be Sansha. The only real important parts are the Domi Scram (can use a Sansha/Blood 28km for cheapness), and the Domination 720mm (can't fit a third 720mm II).
Gang - Support
3x 720mm II, Cloak
2x Dark Blood Web, PWNAGE/Target Painter II, Serp Sensor Booster, 2x LSE II
2x PDU II, 2x Local Hull Nano
3x Valkyrie II, 2x Warrior II or 4x Medium ECM drones
This ship is great for supporting battleships, making sure interdictors dont get to them, and generally killing support. As mentioned above, 47.6km range with Blood/Sansha Webs at recon 4, 56km at recon 5. Also with 2 Nanos you'll do around 320m/s, meaning it's a viable ship for getting spots and such whilst cloaked. Finally, it comes in at over 7k hitpoints depending on skills.
I like to drop the Painter for a scrambler sometimes (28km or 30km), because it can be really annoying when you can web someone still but can't hold them in place.
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Sin Stylejr
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Posted - 2006.11.26 16:19:00 -
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Edited by: Sin Stylejr on 26/11/2006 16:28:33
Originally by: Kard Fater
Oh my, its sooo funny to read all those cr4p setups.
MWD/AB? Extenders? LOWL
RCU/PDU? WTF?
Fill the meds with EW and NOT try to tank it over - then you will have a ship thats a cloaking EW-monster, the ship it should be. Anywayz, just my two cents told. No prob if it wont reach ears, just be sure that I loot your cloak, thxbye.
I would have to agree with his statement. all be it rather harsh. tanking such a ship is silly. I'm not gona sit here and give out a setup but you have to think of the entire ship and what its meant for. you can chose ANY target. you can appear at ANY range because of cloak. Hold them there with dual web. you can basically look for that perfect scenerio and wait for the perfect timing. So with that in mind if you need MWD to run then your doing it wrong. The fight should be won by a landslide before your even uncloaked.
then there is ammo to be used for the perfect range. makeing sure accuracy isnt going to ruin your day. And for gods sake its got a painter bonus USE IT!
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Sin Stylejr
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Posted - 2006.11.26 16:29:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Sin Stylejr on 26/11/2006 16:30:00
(sigh) way to double post. sorry
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IngarNT
Minmatar
Setenta Corp
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.27 11:51:00 -
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My current setup:
HIGH SLOTS:
3x720MM Artie II
1xCovert Ops Cloak II
MEDIUM SLOTS:
3xRemote Sensor Dampener II
2xWebber (X5)
1xTrue Sansha Warp Disruptor
LOW:
4xGyro Stab II
Works great for soloing HACs, BC's etc..
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Masu'di
Es and Whizz
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Posted - 2006.11.27 12:32:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Sin Stylejr
Edited by: Sin Stylejr on 26/11/2006 16:28:33
Originally by: Kard Fater
Oh my, its sooo funny to read all those cr4p setups.
MWD/AB? Extenders? LOWL
RCU/PDU? WTF?
Fill the meds with EW and NOT try to tank it over - then you will have a ship thats a cloaking EW-monster, the ship it should be. Anywayz, just my two cents told. No prob if it wont reach ears, just be sure that I loot your cloak, thxbye.
I would have to agree with his statement. all be it rather harsh. tanking such a ship is silly. I'm not gona sit here and give out a setup but you have to think of the entire ship and what its meant for. you can chose ANY target. you can appear at ANY range because of cloak. Hold them there with dual web. you can basically look for that perfect scenerio and wait for the perfect timing. So with that in mind if you need MWD to run then your doing it wrong. The fight should be won by a landslide before your even uncloaked.
then there is ammo to be used for the perfect range. makeing sure accuracy isnt going to ruin your day. And for gods sake its got a painter bonus USE IT!
Yes in an ideal situation this does make perfect sense, and the best way to fit your ship for a known situation. However, I personally fly my Rapier, a lot of the time with a MWD and 2 large shield extenders. Sometimes i also have an offlined scan probe launcher in my high. I use my Rapier as a multipurpose tool kit, scout, tackler and anti-frig. If I was sure every time that the enemy did not have a gank squad lurking round the corner, or that there is an interdictor behind the next gate, or that friendly ships would make it in time when a target had been caught, I would love to fly the "ideal" Rapier setup.
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