mining ships aren't really built for combat, so it's not especially advisable
but if you have to .....

pay VERY close attention to local

most WTs wouldn't go there.

then blow raspberries in local

mining ships aren't really built for combat, so it's not especially advisable
but if you have to .....

pay VERY close attention to local
stay aligned at all times
warp directly to a station & dock

then blow raspberries in local

Hi y'all.

I'm not a new player (relatively speaking) nor a miner. But I enjoy helping out people, for example spending some time in Rookie Help channel when I make a new alt.

Wardecs can be a challenge to new players, but to me it's clear how it's fairly easy to travel, haul, explore and even mission in highsec during a war.

However, I would think that mining effectively is a big PITA during a wardec.

Anybody have any advice on how to pull that off, too?

Or mine in Lowsec and ofc follow the above advice about watching local & be fast in hightailing to a station should pirates attend.
most WTs wouldn't go there.

what's the best technique to mine aligned?

have 2 safesposts in opposite directions from the asteroid belt?

then align alternatively to one and the other?

being careful to not get caught with your panties down while doing your 180-¦? else somebody will put you at 90-¦ (as we say in Italy)?

Corps that wardec in high-sec often (but not always) avoid low-sec. Find a low-population low-sec system and mine away at some Jaspet with a Procurer. If you want to mine in high, it's just a matter of keeping an eye on local. As soon as a war target appears, jump to station. The only way he'll be able to scan you down and catch you in time will be if your ship gets caught by terrible hitboxes (keep your distance from asteroids) or if you don't warp to 0 on the station (make a bookmark at the undock spot and this won't happen).

Although, sometimes they use scout alts to track your belt down so keep an eye out for those. A very cautious player will stay constantly aligned.

Or just move your mining operations 25 jumps... have a second base somewhere out of the way.

Move over there quietly, mine, wait for wardec to drop before hauling minerals to trade hub.

Hopefully your corp mates provide more sport for the wardeccers and not jump out to the ass end of nowhere to get you...

Or just move your mining operations 25 jumps... have a second base somewhere out of the way.

Move over there quietly, mine, wait for wardec to drop before hauling minerals to trade hub.

Hopefully your corp mates provide more sport for the wardeccers and not jump out to the ass end of nowhere to get you...

That does not work.

I have over 200 locators including the locates channel. A competent wardeccer will always find you. Always.

Thanks all for your kind replies.

Overall I understand you could even attempt to mine under a highsec wardec if you're on the ball and the deccers are incompetent or lazy. I guess at least some of the corps that randomly wardec noob corps are.

OTOH, professional, dedicated merc corps - and Kane, obviously - would make mining all but impossible.

All this 'new player highsec survival' research inspired an idea that I posted here. I would appreciate it if y'all would have a look and maybe comment - even to say it's crap.

People - even zealous ex-CSM delegates - sometimes suggest abolishing non-consensual wardecs 'for the sake of the New Players' . I think that's bullsh*t so I tried to come up with a better way of helping out newbros with EVE's challenges.

How to mine during war time:

1. Wait for summer expansion and barge buffs.
2. Fit skiffs with tank.
3. Blow up any flashies that come into range.

4. Add a structure rigged Orca fitted with command links to the mix for giggles. I've just checked the Kronos EFT build, with T2 structure rigs an Orca should hit in excess of 350k EHP without using any midslots , leaving those slots open for various mischief

My last war targets thought so to.

what's the best technique to mine aligned?

have 2 safesposts in opposite directions from the asteroid belt?

then align alternatively to one and the other?

being careful to not get caught with your panties down while doing your 180-¦? else somebody will put you at 90-¦ (as we say in Italy)?

I can't believe I forgot about this point. This is vital. You of course need neutral prospects as scouts in surrounding systems, and battle ventures as tackle for all pilots that can't fly the skiffs.

That does not work.

I have over 200 locators including the locates channel. A competent wardeccer will always find you. Always.

What are "locators" and "running locates" and the "locates channel?"

Is this networks of people cooperating to provide intel?

Do they do it for fun or is it quid pro quo?

Or is it something else?

What are "locators" and "running locates" and the "locates channel?"

Is this networks of people cooperating to provide intel?

Do they do it for fun or is it quid pro quo?

Or is it something else?

I read your suggestion and the answer is that your idea already exists in the form of player run corps such as EVE Uni, Brave Newbies, Red vs Blue, and maybe even some Factional Warfare corps.

For the most part high sec corporations who do not wish to engage in PvP bring it on themselves for two reasons:

1) They heavily advertise themselves as a Industrial/manufacturing, mining, or 'Incursions' focused corporation. Doing this encourages those who like to 'grief' or hope to get some bling from your pimped out Incursion ship to wardec you.

2) Setting up a new corporation where others are and financially disrupting the 'locals' operation. This can involve something as obvious as strip mining all the nearby belts to setting up high sec POCOs with extortionate taxes or undercutting on the market.

Basically If your high sec player corporation has been wardecced it will almost certainly be your fault.

'Gully Alex Foyle' ? I thought I was the only one who had ever read that book.

The hull tanked Orca is going to be scary, once you hit hull it's going to be like hitting a brick wall if it's fitted right. 387K hp at all skills V, plus shield mods if you want them in the mids.

Thanks!

Yes, E-Uni certainly does an excellent job but I think there would be several advantages to a 'PVP-training mechanic'. I posted a reply in the F&I thread if you're interested.

I don't think highsec corps focused on industry/PVE should be afraid of wardecs and go out of their way to avoid them; I think they should take the time to learn how to effectively deal with them, since it's not very hard unless you have someone like Kane on your tail.

As a general rule members of high sec industry & mining corps won't be experienced and/or skilled in PvP. So their main options are to dock up, gain allies to fight the wardec, or switch corps.

The Orca. along with the Rorqual, are next in line to be 'rebalanced' and this will be happening relatively soon. There was much moaning in the F&I board about the new hull rigs making freighters 'OP' hence the changes to hull rigs negative aspect and nerfing of freighter EHP etc. Therefore you should expect the same thing to happen to the Orca. Also as the Orca has module slots whereas the freighter does not do not be surprised to find the Orca gets an even greater percentage reduction in EHP. This will result in choices having to be made regarding EHP, cargo etc and the current rough max EHP of 335K EHP will remain but with a significant hit to cargohold capacity.

The Rorqual will be a different matter though as CCP wish it to be able to be deployed in-belt so it will get significant additional defence capability.

Locating a player can be done through so-called Locator Agents. Give such an agent a bit of isk and the name of the target and after a while, he'll report the location of that player. Intel obtained from these agents or by manually spotting players can of course be shared in private or public chat-channels.

What result do Locator Agents return if the target is offline?

Do they just provide the last known system?

They show the system (and station) you are logged off in.

Only exception on locate results is if the target is in a wormhole, then they return 'person is outside my zone of influence' (aka In a wormhole). Logging off inside a wormhole is the only way to not have your location divulged by a locator agent.

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Will fling at anyone I know or see that complains about war-decs.

I'm not much of a miner, but why not just go mine in a wormhole. The ore is much better than high sec. Use a T1 mining barge or ship. With appropriate awareness, in a quiet wh you should make far more than the eventual loss of your mining ship. Unless they have intel, most likely your wt's will never find you while you are there.

isnt that basicaly the idea behind the venture ?