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Tirabi
The New Era Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2014.05.19 01:37:00 -
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What happened seriously?
Half of all 0.0 sov is held by Renters
NA./PBLRD/BOT
So many regions completely dominated by renters.
NC only have 2500 members in general yet over 6k in renters, P/L-BOT same sorta deal.
How long until pretty much most of 0.0 is renter corps, and its just 1 alliance vs another?
imo its pretty much ruined any sort of actual alliance warfare in regions.
Any thoughts? should this be limited? or will they continue to run all regions as renting alliances and have no room for new alliances/corps to step up? |
Garandras
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
172
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Posted - 2014.05.19 02:44:00 -
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ATM that is where the meta lies.. only chance of another bloc war atm, is if HERO invades Provibloc, |
WarFireV
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
354
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Posted - 2014.05.19 04:06:00 -
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'cause of that dolla dolla bill yall!
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Tirabi
The New Era Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2014.05.19 05:55:00 -
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yes I know its about the isk, however don't you think this destroys the whole concept of 0.0 space, and alliance holding, these days all you need to do is get some people to pay you isk for a system that's apparently under some alliance protection.
Just destroys the game for tbh, don't get me wrong, good idea, great way to make isk. (no I aint jealous I don't need isk) I just want the concept of space out there owned by alliances who are ether allied to each other or fighting one another, atleast the alliance would have taken the space for themselves instead of just paying for it.
anyway I hope CCP put an end to the madness that is renting space. |
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
156
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Posted - 2014.05.19 08:19:00 -
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Tirabi wrote: Half of all 0.0 sov is held by Renters
They are just to strong to be stopped If you kill one, two new appear |
O'nira
United System's Commonwealth
6
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Posted - 2014.05.19 11:38:00 -
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they would need to take a look at how easy it is for alliances to project their power over such vast distances, you can't nerf renter alliances without nerfing real alliances as well.
small alliances can't take space for themselves because a huge alliance will just jump to whatever area of space this small alliance is attacking and stomp them, might be able to attrition war them but that would require grinding the structures and then the big alliance come in their supercaps and grinds it back in 10 times less time and of course the small guys can't use their supercaps if they even have any because they are small.
You nerf force projection you nerf big space holding alliances.
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Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
156
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Posted - 2014.05.19 12:53:00 -
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This man clearly knows what he is talking about.
Maybe they should nerf the fuel capacity of carriers? |
Tirabi
The New Era Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2014.05.19 21:47:00 -
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thanks for the thoughts, imo this game is about control, strategy and all im seeing is big alliances sitting in there space under no threat at all just pulling in billions of isk made by other alliances.
0.0 space used to be a place that was deadly and hard to maintain/control, now it just seems if you got cash u got space.
would bringing back POS sov control fix this? :) |
Xeris 7
norse'storm battle group Fidelas Constans
4
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Posted - 2014.05.20 00:56:00 -
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"Look, man. I only need to know one thing. Where they are... " - Vasquez, Aliens. |
Garandras
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
172
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Posted - 2014.05.20 03:06:00 -
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Well until how sov works changes.. There will be N3/PL and CFC holding Null they are the player empires, they own pretty much it all and if you want to take advantage of the benefits of Null in a relatively safe environment you have to get permission from one or the other.
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Tirabi
The New Era Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2014.05.20 03:19:00 -
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so what exactly was it that change so much to fall into this sorta chaos?
I remember the days of all of 0.0 held by alliances and most owned the whole region, everyone was at war with one another and it was a nice place to pvp in.
Now if you want to actually make an impact on an alliance in 0.0 hitting there renters won't really be very effective as they have so much ISK sitting in stores just rebuilding titans/supers as fast as they lose them.
renters paying 8 billion a month for maybe 1 or 2 systems its pretty much a new Supercarrier every 2 months just from 1-2 systems.. its just stupid.
No real threat to anything, and to be honest give it another 6-12 months there won't be any point in taking regions off alliances they will have so much money to just go back and take it again.
I figured losing a region or area of space is meant to cripple an alliance so they have to go away rebuild and come back, these days no need.
Take the invasion of N3/PL space down near Tenerifis, (oh look its all back in N3/PL's hands again) didn't take long did it.
0.0 space is free for all, now its turned into some government run alliance where u have to have permission to enter/build there? really...............sigh. |
Garandras
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
172
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Posted - 2014.05.20 03:52:00 -
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Tirabi wrote:so what exactly was it that change so much to fall into this sorta chaos?
I remember the days of all of 0.0 held by alliances and most owned the whole region, everyone was at war with one another and it was a nice place to pvp in.
No one can agree on what should change
but i do believe you are looking at this though rose colored glasses..
There has pretty much always been collations and renters, back in the start it was more based on your nationality.. then there was BoB, which lead to CFC being created then you had HBC, N3, Stainwagon.
But what has changed is the power level.. so all you have now is CFC on one side and N3/PL on the other, they both have massive strength and the ability to move vast capitol fleet across the galaxy in short order, their only competition is the other and neither want to make the first move as with the current mechanics it would be a overly long and drawn out process of no real gains being made.
If you look at the holloween war, it was a very slow start, N3's main tactic was to over power Stainwagon by putting 150 Arcons on the objective and Stainwagon didn't have the power to compete vs that.. so they Cyno jammed key systems. The CFC weighed in and things started to move back in Stainwagon/CFC favor.. the B-R happened was a massive victory, CFC then cut a deal which saw their assets safe and withdrew.
N3/PL then reformed and came back at Stainwagon hard, which quickly fell apart due to the onslaught and poor leadership decisions.
The only real thing at this stage which would break the current state of affairs is if you nerf capitol ships into the ground.. which is just a ******** idea in general |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
2019
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Posted - 2014.05.20 10:53:00 -
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Garandras wrote:ATM that is where the meta lies.. only chance of another bloc war atm, is if HERO invades Provibloc,
Currently the only 2 groups that havent sucumbed to renting yet, I'm sure you would love to see us fight, and what happens when one side wins?
Provi has no intention if attacking HERO, I just hope HERO picks long term planning over short term greed and doesnt start a war with us either. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
Black Canary Jnr
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch. Sev3rance
107
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Posted - 2014.05.20 12:27:00 -
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It's hard to get into 0.0 except for Provi, since you need caps and supers to grind or a large number of people willing to put up with grinding. Then you have to hope who-ever you're invading doesn't actually want that space and won't wipe you off the map.
It's easier to rent and not worry about sov then a) have the numbers to hold sov b) have the TZ coverage to hold sov c) have the ships and skills to hold sov. |
rsantos
TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh
7
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Posted - 2014.05.20 13:31:00 -
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Because... SOV sucks, BLOBS Win, BOTLORD, and renters like someone on there backs, breathing on there neck! |
Garandras
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
172
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Posted - 2014.05.21 00:36:00 -
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The article on TMC today put some reasoning behind the current situation..
and when you put in the BOTLORD which is the exact opposite of content creation.
Only the people who are living in NPC Null are the ones having fun without a massive blue list |
DeadDuck
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
74
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Posted - 2014.05.21 12:29:00 -
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0.0 sov warfare is complety broken in game. What we are seeing today is just the logic result of a very big mistake from the game developers a few years ago: the introduction of Super Capitals.
While a few years ago the players alliances were battling each other with BS fleets and a little after, Capitals, there was still space for new alliances to impose them selves in 0.0. Capital Ships are powerfull but still able to be beaten by conventional fleets.
With the introduction of Super Capitals the end game raised to a whole new level where is just pretty much impossible to deal with the forces of the Super Power Blocks. What happened in south is just a good example of what happens when one of the sides has the super cap advantage. They are so powerfull that unless you can pretty much field similar numbers you're gonna lose, and lose fast.
The arms race between the 2 super powers continues in game, but this time raising the level again. If about 2 years ago what was important was the number of Super Carriers, today is the number of Titans (the botlord agreement is just that), and again the potential to introduce new alliances in 0.0 decreases even more.
Any alliance holding 0.0 piece of land not aligned with any of the blocks is doomed to be destroyed sooner or later. No matter what numbers they can bring how competent their FC's are, or how active their member base is, they gonna lose they simply dont have the power or the resources to compete with these alliances owning the numbers of supercaps these alliances can field.
N3 is now deploying to Querious area, I dont know if to conquer new land or just to play with the current owners. Has anyone any doubts that if one of those Super Powers want that region for new renter space the current owners will be kicked very fast ?
The introduction of Super caps created such a gap in game that 0.0 is pretty much doomed to stay like it is or even worst (only about 2-3 regions besides the NPC ones are still owned by lets say not alligned enthities). Unless CCP makes something drastic, regarding Sov, warfare, holding, or boosts caps, TBH SOMETHING !! things can change again. Until then... |
Tirabi
The New Era Spaceship Samurai
1
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Posted - 2014.05.22 03:22:00 -
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I fully agree Duck,
The only problem now is that N3/PL/GOONS have so many renters 18k renters atm just for P/L/N3 alone paying isk into there wallets, even if CCP changed something to do with Sov or capitals etc.. the vast wealth of these alliances is so far gone that it won't matter how u nerf them they will still come out on top.
The only way i can see any of this changing is putting an actual stop on allowing to rent space to alliances/corps in 0.0, its a place to be earnt and fought for (like you mentioned duck) about BS fleets and the like.
The other issue i see is when is CCP going to make another region for the power blocs to take control of, there are so many regions of EVE that has an outpost!! look at provibloc that is the stupidest thing ive ever seen.
I realise that in the past you used to have 3 stations in 1 constellation to gain SOV 4 or 5 to then build a super capital maintenance array to build titans etc.. but since that has been remove the stations still remain and more and more are being built.
CCP what happens when pretty much all of 0.0 systems have a station in them, what happens to the station platform? does it become obsolete or do u build another region, so that the power blocs move in and then that region will be hot dropped with stations aswell.
Building a station/supercapital etc etc used to take alot of time, effort, skill and was greatly respected on the field, i see a titan now or a supercarrier and don't even bat and eyelid at it.... because i know tomorrow there will be another and another and another and pretty much one dies, someone will buy 2 more the next day...
In the end this game has become such a bore, can't get decent pvp action most of the time, if your a super pilot yep u get to see pvp but only when another coalition does a full scale invasion or ur just hot dropping those lonely drakes again.
CCP fix this crap before u start losing everyone to StarCitizen instead.!! |
Garandras
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
174
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Posted - 2014.05.22 05:57:00 -
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There is no way to stop 'Renting'
As it is a player mechanic there is no real way around it. people that want to PvE in Null will pay PvP alliances for the right to not be shot at |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
2022
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Posted - 2014.05.22 12:25:00 -
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Tirabi wrote:look at provibloc that is the stupidest thing ive ever seen.
Dude....Ouch... BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
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Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
156
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Posted - 2014.05.22 13:33:00 -
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Tirabi wrote: CCP fix this crap before u start losing everyone to StarCitizen instead.!!
ahahaha your posts get better and better |
Black Canary Jnr
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch. Sev3rance
107
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Posted - 2014.05.22 14:18:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:Tirabi wrote:look at provibloc that is the stupidest thing ive ever seen. Dude....Ouch...
It only took what, 5/6/7 years of NRDS control to put like 50 stations in a region, there's not even a station in every system, even though we pay our tithes to the empiress and say our prayers every night before bed :( |
Natas Dog
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.05.22 20:34:00 -
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I'm betting on moon being nerfed as an alliance level income and the continuing super capital arms race. |
Natas Dog
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.05.22 20:37:00 -
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I'm betting on moon being nerfed as an alliance level income and the continuing super capital arms race.
Double Post |
Tirabi
The New Era Spaceship Samurai
1
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Posted - 2014.05.22 22:15:00 -
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but moons is one thing, however renting income is another... u nerf one they still got the other, kinda irrelevant if you ask me.
no disrespect CVA on the provibloc I meant that region has so many stations that I bet they aren't even being used how they were intended, its pretty much just a safe dock point for most of the pilots in the area to not be attacked.
starcitizen is around the corner, maybe ill invest in that instead....
eve just aint really getting any better after the past 10 years, except making the rich, richer, looking at making changes to things that aren't really broken and leaving the capital backbone of pretty much all of 0.0 to last to make modifications.
fix ships like the Nidhogger that have been here since the start!!!
tune in next time for more ranting and raving at crap that doesn't work in this game :) |
WarFireV
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
358
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Posted - 2014.05.23 01:10:00 -
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The Nidhogger has been around since the start? News to me. |
penifSMASH
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
420
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Posted - 2014.05.23 01:51:00 -
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To address the OP (and ignoring the idiotic drivel that follows it):
A year ago everyone was complaining that sov 0.0 was empty and there wasn't anything to kill when you roam. Now space is being inhabited and used by tens of thousands of active and new players, and killboards are thriving with activity again... but people still find a reason to complain about it because the new inhabitants weren't masochistic enough to grind through millions of hit points of station and I-hubs themselves? Whatever yo vOv |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2649
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Posted - 2014.05.23 02:03:00 -
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This is a direct result of the supercap/sov meta. Ultimately if the only way to successfully defend your space is to pack on the super firepower you need a lot of isk to do it. |
Tirabi
The New Era Spaceship Samurai
1
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Posted - 2014.05.23 02:57:00 -
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This is a direct result of the supercap/sov meta. Ultimately if the only way to successfully defend your space is to pack on the super firepower you need a lot of isk to do it.
there lies the broken mechanic? So you HAVE to have alot of SUPERCAPS in order to control 0.0 space? Well I don't think that was the complete intention of CCP's thoughts on 0.0!
0.0 has always been inhabited, its just now more any more corps/alliances don't have the ability anymore to even take space like we used to back in the day using battleship fleets etc and pos bashing with such dreads.
You don't own a super, you don't get space... don't tell me thats what the game has turned into.. so what went wrong here?
CCP made the supers to OP? Taking away POS sov control changed the mechanic of 0.0 warfare? allowing less small fleet engagements with something less than capitals?
Im sure most like myself don't want to play in a universe where you can't own/control something without having 100's billions of isk lying around to field a supercapital fleet to even stand a chance of owning a region/constellation (this excludes renting, doing it on your own)
Prob why more and more corps/alliances move to NPC null, its a great stepping stone but u can't make isk like u can in non NPC regions to build your HUGE super capital fleet and actually fight for a region.
I'm sure the post from the PL player isn't to fussed since his alliance isn't affected in anyway and pulls in alot of isk and he is having a wonderful time, however the other corps/alliances which make up what say 30-40% of the rest of eve, don't stand a chance lol
Finding solo ratters and explorers in rented space i don't classify as a great pvp fight, its boring enough trying to find them to begin with.
Invasions and regional wars make the impact however you got CFC and N3/PL thats it, no one else, no other threats, one side owns half the universe and the other side owns the other half, where is there room for others? |
WarFireV
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
358
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Posted - 2014.05.23 03:27:00 -
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So what do you want? Sov changes? Everyone in nullsec right now wants sov to be changed to something different. Your talking to the wrong people about this. |
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Tirabi
The New Era Spaceship Samurai
1
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Posted - 2014.05.23 05:57:00 -
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Sorry if my ranting sounds bad, english isn't my first language.
What i am wanting is just information about when and what went wrong with eve 0.0 and hopefully write a document to CCP to organise getting some things rectified for all.
I believe there are alot of frustrations out there and would like to contribute to making eve a better place for all.
If i fail in my quest well then ill just have to play star citizen instead lol! |
Snot Shot
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
723
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Posted - 2014.05.23 11:21:00 -
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These topics are fun, especially SOV discussions....
Why not just have CCP "free port" all Outposts and only allow Stations to have restricted access. That'll certainly slow down the proliferation of dropping them everywhere if everyone could access them.
Next would be to make Outposts destructible but I think thats a little ways out.
Honestly I'd like to see SOV removed completely turning 0.0 back into the wild wild west of sorts. Remove all the "reasons" for Coalitions to "need" to exist since the leaders will always find a "reason" they need them regardless of what tweaks are done to SOV. Just get rid of it and allow Alliances to drop something new like a giant Capital Station 1 per region so they can plant their "flag" etc.
Anyways, I've written about it before and I'm sure better iterations of it can be done but at this point CCP should be focused on turning 0.0 back into the "sand box" its supposed to be and not the slab of concrete SOV has made it at this point.
http://evesnotshot.blogspot.com/2013/02/fixing-null-sec-shuter-down.html?m=1
. Twitter = @Snot_Shot-á --áGÇ£If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything" |
John Ending
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2014.05.28 05:44:00 -
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Tirabi wrote:so what exactly was it that change so much to fall into this sorta chaos?
Tech |
knobber Jobbler
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
381
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Posted - 2014.05.28 11:14:00 -
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Tirabi wrote: Well I don't think that was the complete intention of CCP's thoughts on 0.0!
It doesn't really matter what the intention was, the outcome is all that's important. CCP didn't think through the whole Supercap and Titan thing properly when they added them. The outcome is you need many of both to be a meaningful presence outside of high sec.
However its not like renters are a new thing, the current renting alliances are just a resurgence of an old idea used in areas of space which previously had no moon goo. Now that moon goo has been devalued alliances will look to the optimal income source, which happens to be renters. Its not actually a bad thing for the game as a whole by itself, some players don't want to deal with owning Sov and will pay someone else to do it. Its the Sov system itself which is broken.
None of this is the fault of the alliances or players in the game, its CCP's fault for not thinking things through. Its their sandbox and their tools that are used. CCP is choosing not to prioritise fixing any of it. |
45thtiger 0109
AL3XAND3R.
72
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Posted - 2014.06.04 00:05:00 -
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Tirabi wrote:I fully agree Duck,
The only problem now is that N3/PL/GOONS have so many renters 18k renters atm just for P/L/N3 alone paying isk into there wallets, even if CCP changed something to do with Sov or capitals etc.. the vast wealth of these alliances is so far gone that it won't matter how u nerf them they will still come out on top.
The only way i can see any of this changing is putting an actual stop on allowing to rent space to alliances/corps in 0.0, its a place to be earnt and fought for (like you mentioned duck) about BS fleets and the like.
The other issue i see is when is CCP going to make another region for the power blocs to take control of, there are so many regions of EVE that has an outpost!! look at provibloc that is the stupidest thing ive ever seen.
I realise that in the past you used to have 3 stations in 1 constellation to gain SOV 4 or 5 to then build a super capital maintenance array to build titans etc.. but since that has been remove the stations still remain and more and more are being built.
CCP what happens when pretty much all of 0.0 systems have a station in them, what happens to the station platform? does it become obsolete or do u build another region, so that the power blocs move in and then that region will be hot dropped with stations aswell.
Building a station/supercapital etc etc used to take alot of time, effort, skill and was greatly respected on the field, i see a titan now or a supercarrier and don't even bat and eyelid at it.... because i know tomorrow there will be another and another and another and pretty much one dies, someone will buy 2 more the next day...
In the end this game has become such a bore, can't get decent pvp action most of the time, if your a super pilot yep u get to see pvp but only when another coalition does a full scale invasion or ur just hot dropping those lonely drakes again.
CCP fix this crap before u start losing everyone to StarCitizen instead.!!
Well if you want to go to StarCitizen go for it.
There is no loss for me as I enjoy EvE and CCP will not stop the corps or alliances renting from the major power blocs in 0.0
This is a sandbox game and you either enjoy it or you go and play another game.
I looked StarCitizen and they way I see it it could fail in some areas.
CCP please do not change the sov mechanics unless all of the EvE Community votes on it. I am not a CCP employee-ájust having a input in the EvE forum
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Arronicus
X-Prot Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
1072
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Posted - 2014.06.23 19:44:00 -
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Star citizen is dying! What we need now is W-space renter alliances. Considering the way you can cycle wormholes fast in c5s and c6s, it should really be that hard for someone like PL to get a good protection racket going there. Once W-space and even npc null is rented out, then Eve can finally take up a new genre of MMO: Rent to Play. |
Valencia Mariana
The Red Circle Inc.
19
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Posted - 2014.07.01 08:07:00 -
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Tirabi wrote:What happened seriously?
Half of all 0.0 sov is held by Renters
NA./PBLRD/BOT
So many regions completely dominated by renters.
NC only have 2500 members in general yet over 6k in renters, P/L-BOT same sorta deal.
How long until pretty much most of 0.0 is renter corps, and its just 1 alliance vs another?
imo its pretty much ruined any sort of actual alliance warfare in regions.
Any thoughts? should this be limited? or will they continue to run all regions as renting alliances and have no room for new alliances/corps to step up?
Because of terrible out dated null sec mechanics which push players this way. With no viable alternative new / fresh blood are forced to become vassals of massive nullsec coalitions. Valencia Mariana The Red Circle Inc. |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
726
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Posted - 2014.07.01 18:44:00 -
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We could start by decoupling sov and sov improvements from these ridiculous structures and multiple redundant timers. Why shoul dI have to SBU a system in order to shoot through timers on an IHUB, in order to shoot a Station/TCU.... come on. Just shoot what you want.
Want to destroy the infrastructure? Kill the IHUB. Want to capture the station? Go for it! Want to plant your flag? Make it happen. We should have to jump through a bunch of ridiculous hoops first.
Unfortunately, that doesn't fix the super-capital problem. It could actually amplify the problem. With sov even easier to take, leveraging supercapital projection to gain and hold sov would become easier. But then again, with increased usage comes increased opportunity for ganks. Unfortunately, I can't see any way to fix that without literally just removing them or imposing some pretty severe arbitrary restrictions, like only 1 per system per corporation or some other equally draconian measure. GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥ -Grath Telkin, 2014. |
Spurty
V0LTA Triumvirate.
1360
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Posted - 2014.07.06 00:26:00 -
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Garandras wrote:There is no way to stop 'Renting'
As it is a player mechanic there is no real way around it. people that want to PvE in Null will pay PvP alliances for the right to not be shot at
Of course there is.
CCP remove ability to send funds directly between individuals and remove private contracts. How's that money going to get there?
Also can make these large payments subject to scrutiny by the fraud department. Make those payments vanish into a black hole for two months.
Many ways to stop it.
Complete irradiacate it.
CCP chose not to so ... DOTA 2 update looks nice. Also FTL was on steam sales. Addicting!
*signature is not allowed on the EVE Online forums* |
Garandras
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
212
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Posted - 2014.07.08 23:45:00 -
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Spurty wrote:Garandras wrote:There is no way to stop 'Renting'
As it is a player mechanic there is no real way around it. people that want to PvE in Null will pay PvP alliances for the right to not be shot at Of course there is. CCP remove ability to send funds directly between individuals and remove private contracts. How's that money going to get there? Also can make these large payments subject to scrutiny by the fraud department. Make those payments vanish into a black hole for two months. Many ways to stop it. Complete irradiacate it. CCP chose not to so ... DOTA 2 update looks nice. Also FTL was on steam sales. Addicting!
Wait so your solution.. is to make the game unplayable.. and because they wont you are going to play a different game o_0 |
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Nick Actilete
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2014.07.09 03:44:00 -
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Because ISK |
lost packet
GamCorp Almost Broken
12
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Posted - 2014.07.09 13:14:00 -
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pimps and prostitutes. |
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
473
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Posted - 2014.07.10 16:20:00 -
[43] - Quote
Tirabi wrote:yes I know its about the isk, however don't you think this destroys the whole concept of 0.0 space, and alliance holding, these days all you need to do is get some people to pay you isk for a system that's apparently under some alliance protection.
This is how it has been everywhere since someone invented the bigger stick. |
RedVox
Knight Templar. Northern Associates.
0
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Posted - 2014.07.11 08:38:00 -
[44] - Quote
Very nice concept, take a loot at it CCP. |
Valleria Darkmoon
Convicts and Savages Shadow Cartel
279
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Posted - 2014.07.11 09:51:00 -
[45] - Quote
Tirabi wrote:NC only have 2500 members in general yet over 6k in renters, P/L-BOT same sorta deal. If that's true I wonder what could happen if they all collectively decided not to pay...
Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification. |
Phantra
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
96
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Posted - 2014.07.11 12:38:00 -
[46] - Quote
This is really a double edged sword.
On one hand, we spent weeks grinding the space, put vast time and resources into taking these regions and spend countless hours managing the residents. We provide access for new and older pilots to nullsec space that they otherwise wouldn't have had access to and we do so at a fair price, indiscriminately.
On the other hand, for small or medium alliances wishing to plant their flag in nullsec, you've no hope right now without at least some aspect of diplomacy or striking a rental deal.
It's a game of have and have-not's my friends. Welcome to nullsec 2014. |
Dream Raven
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.07.16 10:32:00 -
[47] - Quote
knobber Jobbler wrote:Tirabi wrote: Well I don't think that was the complete intention of CCP's thoughts on 0.0!
It doesn't really matter what the intention was, the outcome is all that's important. CCP didn't think through the whole Supercap and Titan thing properly when they added them. The outcome is you need many of both to be a meaningful presence outside of high sec. However its not like renters are a new thing, the current renting alliances are just a resurgence of an old idea used in areas of space which previously had no moon goo. Now that moon goo has been devalued alliances will look to the optimal income source, which happens to be renters. Its not actually a bad thing for the game as a whole by itself, some players don't want to deal with owning Sov and will pay someone else to do it. Its the Sov system itself which is broken. None of this is the fault of the alliances or players in the game, its CCP's fault for not thinking things through. Its their sandbox and their tools that are used. CCP is choosing not to prioritise fixing any of it.
While supercaps are overpowered and should be nerfed (or removed from the game entirely), they are not the reason why a lot of eve is renter space. It's a direct result of space being incredibly expensive to hold, as in much too expensive to be covered by moon goo, and as such if you want to keep all that space you conquered you need people in the systems. |
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
181
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Posted - 2014.07.16 11:57:00 -
[48] - Quote
Valleria Darkmoon wrote:Tirabi wrote:NC only have 2500 members in general yet over 6k in renters, P/L-BOT same sorta deal. If that's true I wonder what could happen if they all collectively decided not to pay... They will get kicked out of the renter alliance and can't dock anymore. |
Hans Zwaardhandler
Borealis Mining Concern Nerfed Alliance Go Away
103
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Posted - 2014.07.16 17:19:00 -
[49] - Quote
Valleria Darkmoon wrote:Tirabi wrote:NC only have 2500 members in general yet over 6k in renters, P/L-BOT same sorta deal. If that's true I wonder what could happen if they all collectively decided not to pay...
1) Sov drops and they cheer happily. 2) 300 supercarrier armada grinds the sov back. 3) Renters locked out of station. 4) Renters firesale anything.
And that would be that. |
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
181
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Posted - 2014.07.17 09:03:00 -
[50] - Quote
Why would there be any sov drop? |
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Doris Dents
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
394
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Posted - 2014.07.17 13:35:00 -
[51] - Quote
Cos empire pubbies bawwed until owning 0.0 was complete **** even if it requires millions of nerd hours to take and maintain and the SRP must flow. |
Blood Siphon
The Ostrogoths Curatores Veritatis Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.07.21 17:46:00 -
[52] - Quote
Lets see who has it better....
Renters and big alliances / coalitions get to have 70% of all regions in null sec , means 80% of them are empty systems with maybe 1-2 logistics corps managing them just for the pos incomes , you may have 1-2 systems with bunch of players in them , maybe a few more.
Which also means your intel channels are mediocre at best, you may get lucky and get a 3 jump intel on a enemy coming towards your miners, if that.
Now for providence, we have active fleets going at almost any time, they may vary from 5 members up to 200 depending on time of day, we dont have to go far because you travel the 30+ jumps to fight us.
Why do you travel to fight us? Oh thats right because we actually have active members in almost all of our systems , a fully operating coalition that works together rather then worrying about invading target a or target b, we rather role play a bit and have fun enjoying a game instead of bothering with a bunch of renters.
Because you waste the time to go 30+ jumps we hardly have to leave home to kill you, in which you say that we will never go far? We see you coming as soon as you step foot in the region, we are able to mobilize within a reasonable time frame because our intel is actually active, we have players constantly going in and out of them to use them rather then having to look for a target.
If you really think about it, we have gone farther than any other coalition because we focus on what matters most, having fun , holding our region , enjoying the game to the fullest without the drama of renters , or having a bunch of unused space. Most fights between the bigger coalitions almost have to be planned out because your so spread out.
So yes we are rich. Rich in content that just naturally occures for us rather then having to be forced to generate. |
Phantra
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
98
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Posted - 2014.07.23 08:42:00 -
[53] - Quote
Blood Siphon wrote:Lets see who has it better....
Renters and big alliances / coalitions get to have 70% of all regions in null sec , means 80% of them are empty systems with maybe 1-2 logistics corps managing them just for the pos incomes , you may have 1-2 systems with bunch of players in them , maybe a few more.
Which also means your intel channels are mediocre at best, you may get lucky and get a 3 jump intel on a enemy coming towards your miners, if that.
Now for providence, we have active fleets going at almost any time, they may vary from 5 members up to 200 depending on time of day, we dont have to go far because you travel the 30+ jumps to fight us.
Why do you travel to fight us? Oh thats right because we actually have active members in almost all of our systems , a fully operating coalition that works together rather then worrying about invading target a or target b, we rather role play a bit and have fun enjoying a game instead of bothering with a bunch of renters.
Because you waste the time to go 30+ jumps we hardly have to leave home to kill you, in which you say that we will never go far? We see you coming as soon as you step foot in the region, we are able to mobilize within a reasonable time frame because our intel is actually active, we have players constantly going in and out of them to use them rather then having to look for a target.
If you really think about it, we have gone farther than any other coalition because we focus on what matters most, having fun , holding our region , enjoying the game to the fullest without the drama of renters , or having a bunch of unused space. Most fights between the bigger coalitions almost have to be planned out because your so spread out.
So yes we are rich. Rich in content that just naturally occures for us rather then having to be forced to generate.
Yeah but when all is said and done; you're still in CVA.
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VegasMirage
Reikoku Pandemic Legion
1559
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Posted - 2014.08.31 13:02:00 -
[54] - Quote
what does it mean when players don't log in for isk anymore either... no more games... it's real this time!!! |
Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution
297
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Posted - 2014.09.03 17:12:00 -
[55] - Quote
Phantra wrote:This is really a double edged sword.
On one hand, we spent weeks grinding the space, put vast time and resources into taking these regions and spend countless hours managing the residents. We provide access for new and older pilots to nullsec space that they otherwise wouldn't have had access to and we do so at a fair price, indiscriminately.
On the other hand, for small or medium alliances wishing to plant their flag in nullsec, you've no hope right now without at least some aspect of diplomacy or striking a rental deal.
It's a game of have and have-not's my friends. Welcome to nullsec 2014.
How we've all been mistaken. PL are the real saviours of nullsec.
Don't Panic.
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Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2014.09.05 21:40:00 -
[56] - Quote
Terrible sov mechanics + limited number of income sources/sites per system + huge barrier to entry = Renting |
fatima'blush
Nova Albion
0
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Posted - 2014.09.07 23:20:00 -
[57] - Quote
because no one wants to unite against a common enemy ....they are afraid if they set to many people blue wont have enough targets to shoot at. ive heard many alliance say that last statement. eyeroll. so now here we are. |
45thtiger 0109
AL3XAND3R.
91
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Posted - 2014.09.08 00:52:00 -
[58] - Quote
Tirabi wrote:I fully agree Duck,
The only problem now is that N3/PL/GOONS have so many renters 18k renters atm just for P/L/N3 alone paying isk into there wallets, even if CCP changed something to do with Sov or capitals etc.. the vast wealth of these alliances is so far gone that it won't matter how u nerf them they will still come out on top.
The only way i can see any of this changing is putting an actual stop on allowing to rent space to alliances/corps in 0.0, its a place to be earnt and fought for (like you mentioned duck) about BS fleets and the like.
The other issue i see is when is CCP going to make another region for the power blocs to take control of, there are so many regions of EVE that has an outpost!! look at provibloc that is the stupidest thing ive ever seen.
I realise that in the past you used to have 3 stations in 1 constellation to gain SOV 4 or 5 to then build a super capital maintenance array to build titans etc.. but since that has been remove the stations still remain and more and more are being built.
CCP what happens when pretty much all of 0.0 systems have a station in them, what happens to the station platform? does it become obsolete or do u build another region, so that the power blocs move in and then that region will be hot dropped with stations aswell.
Building a station/supercapital etc etc used to take alot of time, effort, skill and was greatly respected on the field, i see a titan now or a supercarrier and don't even bat and eyelid at it.... because i know tomorrow there will be another and another and another and pretty much one dies, someone will buy 2 more the next day...
In the end this game has become such a bore, can't get decent pvp action most of the time, if your a super pilot yep u get to see pvp but only when another coalition does a full scale invasion or ur just hot dropping those lonely drakes again.
CCP fix this crap before u start losing everyone to StarCitizen instead.!!
And No I will not be going to Star Citizen I have seen what its like and it is nothing like EvE Online.
EvE Online is a lot different in the way you play the game.
Dose SC has it own Market, Mining, PvP, PvE, Etc to be like EvE Online I do not think so that SC will do the same.
I think CCP will make vast improvements to a game that we all love to play.
There has been a lot of negativity in the Forum about CCP and EvE.
And over the years there has been some good changes and bad changes that CCP need to fix.
Let see what happens in EvE in the near future and let CCP decide what the future will hold for EvE.
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Fret Thiesant
The Imperial LansDrahd LOADED-DICE
42
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Posted - 2014.09.23 23:42:00 -
[59] - Quote
From a non null person I can't imagine why I'd bother with sov mechanics when I can just pay someone to deal with all that for me.
I guess it's the idea of caving out an empire that is so appealing.
But lets be honest, most players lack time for that...or underestimate the enormous effort it'd take; dream about it or fail horribly.
Some succeed though, even at this late date, and I think that is amazing given the age of this game.
Most will fail though so
Why not just pay someone to do it
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DeadDuck
Mining Industry Exile Foundation The Camel Empire
99
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Posted - 2014.09.24 08:51:00 -
[60] - Quote
Fret Thiesant wrote:Why not just pay someone to do it
Because you will be in line to be the 1st victim of a sov dispute. Renters for the landlords are just isks cows. They only care for one thing: your corp has to pay the bill each month or else.
They really don't care if your corporation loses everything or not. They will care if the "big numbers" from rent income start to suffer but until then... don't think for a second they will go to help your corp/alliance if you are in any kind of troubles. If they have to throw you under a bus cause it suits them, they will, and they will do it while laughing.
These big landlords, despize their renters. Renters are seen like 2nd degree 0.0 entitys and a lot of times, the directors of the "landlord alliances" have to intervene in order their member base don't shoot the renters. Why you may ask ? Because the member base dont respect you. You haven't conquered or fought for anything. They did. And that makes all the diference for them.
And you know one thing? They are right.
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knobber Jobbler
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
464
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Posted - 2014.09.26 11:11:56 -
[61] - Quote
Blood Siphon wrote:Lets see who has it better....
Renters and big alliances / coalitions get to have 70% of all regions in null sec , means 80% of them are empty systems with maybe 1-2 logistics corps managing them just for the pos incomes , you may have 1-2 systems with bunch of players in them , maybe a few more.
Which also means your intel channels are mediocre at best, you may get lucky and get a 3 jump intel on a enemy coming towards your miners, if that.
Now for providence, we have active fleets going at almost any time, they may vary from 5 members up to 200 depending on time of day, we dont have to go far because you travel the 30+ jumps to fight us.
Why do you travel to fight us? Oh thats right because we actually have active members in almost all of our systems , a fully operating coalition that works together rather then worrying about invading target a or target b, we rather role play a bit and have fun enjoying a game instead of bothering with a bunch of renters.
Because you waste the time to go 30+ jumps we hardly have to leave home to kill you, in which you say that we will never go far? We see you coming as soon as you step foot in the region, we are able to mobilize within a reasonable time frame because our intel is actually active, we have players constantly going in and out of them to use them rather then having to look for a target.
If you really think about it, we have gone farther than any other coalition because we focus on what matters most, having fun , holding our region , enjoying the game to the fullest without the drama of renters , or having a bunch of unused space. Most fights between the bigger coalitions almost have to be planned out because your so spread out.
So yes we are rich. Rich in content that just naturally occures for us rather then having to be forced to generate.
I like reading posts from CVA people. They're so disjointed from reality it helps pass the time while waiting for them to undock and actually fight.
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DeadDuck
Mining Industry Exile Foundation The Camel Empire
127
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Posted - 2014.09.26 14:12:55 -
[62] - Quote
knobber Jobbler wrote: I like reading posts from CVA people. They're so disjointed from reality it helps pass the time while waiting for them to undock and actually fight.
Dude if there is a region in wich you can expect a fight, that region is Providence. Now if you go there with a blob and expect to fight or are just baiting to drop a BOP's gang on some unaware guy, they will just say f**k you and do nothing. |
knobber Jobbler
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
464
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Posted - 2014.09.26 18:53:50 -
[63] - Quote
Those old assumptions don't always apply, just ask Kadeshi and Darkness about their disastrous series of engagements with EG. |
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
390
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Posted - 2014.09.27 11:15:30 -
[64] - Quote
Mr Omniblivion wrote:Terrible sov mechanics + limited number of income sources/sites per system + huge barrier to entry = Renting
If you force us to "use our space" to hold it, we will just get serfs to work the farms. Social Engineering, deal with it.
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Eryn Velasquez
75
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Posted - 2014.09.29 18:17:07 -
[65] - Quote
Amyclas Amatin wrote:Mr Omniblivion wrote:Terrible sov mechanics + limited number of income sources/sites per system + huge barrier to entry = Renting If you force us to "use our space" to hold it, we will just get serfs to work the farms. Social Engineering, deal with it.
It won't make any difference to only grant the ability to gain sov if the system is "used". But if you change the pricing of SOV so, that every week a system is not "used" (military/mining level stays at zero) the bill gets doubled - than many systems would not be claimed.
But this also would'nt change anything, because everytime a new owner wants to claim the SOV, one of the big guys will come and offer his "protection" for a fee. Same as renting before.
_GÇ£A man's freedom consists in his being able to do whatever he wills, but that he should not, by any human power, be forced to do what is against his will.GÇ¥-áGÇò Jean-Jacques Rousseau-á_
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boliano
Arch Angels Assault Force The Kadeshi
11
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Posted - 2014.09.30 12:55:52 -
[66] - Quote
Tirabi wrote:thanks for the thoughts, imo this game is about control, strategy and all im seeing is big alliances sitting in there space under no threat at all just pulling in billions of isk made by other alliances.
0.0 space used to be a place that was deadly and hard to maintain/control, now it just seems if you got cash u got space.
would bringing back POS sov control fix this? :)
They need to make it so holding space means u have to use it to keep it. Which is why all major sov alliances all agreed on this. |
Garandras
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
242
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Posted - 2014.10.01 05:09:58 -
[67] - Quote
boliano wrote:They need to make it so holding space means u have to use it to keep it. Which is why all major sov alliances all agreed on this.
The don't 'Need' to
a % of the player base would like it that way as it makes sense to them.. and the base idea is fine. The hard part would actually be implementing such a change.
The biggest challenge is what happens to current Sov if they overhaul the current mechanic. When Dominion SOV came in there was a mad rush to put SBU/TCU/iHubs down, and that was in the 'old' days where we didn't have superpowers that could move mass fleets of supers all over the place in a instant. While I think some yay some fleet brawls, I also think I can see it getting very mess very quickly as the big boys take all.. then work on the minimum required to hold it with their renters. (Or just 'keep' the same ares of space even without their flag there.. just dunk whoever tries to claim it.. so holding the same space just with a cheaper sov bill)
Now for a technical thing.. This will be a lot of new coding for CCP, who knows they may of already been working on it for the last year.. but even if they are working on a occupancy sov system I wouldn't expect it out anytime soon |
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
243
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Posted - 2014.10.01 12:43:32 -
[68] - Quote
Why take all? They allready posses all. I really doubt that any sov changes would reset the current sov holders because that would understandably **** off all the people currently holding it. But it doesn't even need to reset anything because a new system that needs and allows you to actually use your sov to hold it would automatically free up all the unused space in whatever way the new sov system works.
For example if suddently your sov costs in a system you don't use starts to rise until you have to pay a shitton of isk to hold it, the holder either has to start using it to get the cost back to normal or abandon the system -> BAM there you go new space for someone else to take |
flaming phantom
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
42
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Posted - 2014.10.01 16:18:30 -
[69] - Quote
Soldarius wrote:We could start by decoupling sov and sov improvements from these ridiculous structures and multiple redundant timers. Why shoul dI have to SBU a system in order to shoot through timers on an IHUB, in order to shoot a Station/TCU.... come on. Just shoot what you want.
Want to destroy the infrastructure? Kill the IHUB. Want to capture the station? Go for it! Want to plant your flag? Make it happen. We should have to jump through a bunch of ridiculous hoops first.
I like this, I could see 0.0 space becoming much more dynamic and dangerous.
I will also add my idea for needing to "use" your systems that I psoted in another thread:
I think it would be great if people had to use their system. The way I propose this would be as if each sysem that you had soverignty over had a "status bar", kind of similar to the faction warfare meter. You wouldn't do pointless plexes though, but utilizing things in your system would increase the bar up to 100%. Things to increase it would be like doing anaomlies, DED sites, killing asteroid rats, mining, using station services, etc.
Why though? My idea is that at 100% (i.e. you have used your system "enough") nothing happens. But if you're at a lower amount, your system defences take damage at DT. Not enough to cripple them in one night to be destroyed, but maybe after 5 or 7 days your system would be ripe for the picking.
the "lore" behind this would be simply that the npc pirates or drones plan to attack you, since you are in the system. However, by killing the rats and mining their materials, they lose recourses, so they attack with less and less, up to that 100% threshold. Some people in the other thread were confused, and seemed to think that I meant there would be an actual fleet of npcs attacking your system. I don't mean that, just a roleplaying explanation.
I also like the idea of not having to do all this stupid ****, just to shoot at the ihub like Soldarius mentioned. I think both of these could make it more dynamic with ownership, and you wouldn't be able to bite off more than you could chew per say, since you would need to use your systems, otherwise if neglected enough they would be super easily captured by other groups.
This would hopefully get more people in space, and small groups could actually fight for space. Sure they might lose it again, but if the bigger bog has taken too much, it will all crumble away from him. Since it would be much easier for system control to flip, I think it would be nice when a station switches controlers, there is a 24 hour grace period of entry from previously allowed people.
There could still be cyno inhibitors and stuff, but they would be more attackable, and stuff like that would be the first things to take damage at DT if they didn't use their system enough.
There is still the issue of super capitals, but other than nerfing them I don't have an immediate idea for solving that one.
Ideas? comments? |
Khema Fera
Brave Pros Incorparated
1
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Posted - 2014.10.09 15:54:00 -
[70] - Quote
Garandras wrote:ATM that is where the meta lies.. only chance of another bloc war atm, is if HERO invades Provibloc, It's going to be the other way around soon. Provi will be going for catch. |
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
809
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Posted - 2014.10.09 17:40:03 -
[71] - Quote
Rental is a dirty word but it's really about a lack of contract options.
It would have been nice to see a polar opposite of War Dec where we could contract blue standings and let some role play corp that fancies themselves professional Ice miners, a 3 month contract to certain systems. The rental system is really about private contracting of smaller corporations by larger, military ones. It just needs legitimate mechanics to make it legitimate. |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
2143
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Posted - 2014.10.09 17:52:00 -
[72] - Quote
Khema Fera wrote:Garandras wrote:ATM that is where the meta lies.. only chance of another bloc war atm, is if HERO invades Provibloc, It's going to be the other way around soon. Provi will be going for catch. Only thing Provi would ever do is take back the systems that belonged to us in the first please, Greater Provi. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
ArmyOfMe
PILGRIMS Advent of Fate
362
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Posted - 2014.10.09 20:44:03 -
[73] - Quote
Once forceprojection gets nerfed we will see a lot of smaller alliances stop renting space. Cause lets face it, why pay for something that nobody will be willing to help you protect.
QUOTE CCP Dolan and the EVE Online development team:-áThe battle was relatively even for some time with CFC and Russian forces holding moderate lead at first and only have a slight lead in Titan kills. Then came a turning point in the battle. Manfred Sideous, the initial Fleet Commander for PL/N3, handed over command to the CEO of Northern Coalition., Vince Draken
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knobber Jobbler
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
464
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Posted - 2014.10.10 14:13:50 -
[74] - Quote
Ocih wrote:Rental is a dirty word but it's really about a lack of contract options.
It would have been nice to see a polar opposite of War Dec where we could contract blue standings and let some role play corp that fancies themselves professional Ice miners, a 3 month contract to certain systems. The rental system is really about private contracting of smaller corporations by larger, military ones. It just needs legitimate mechanics to make it legitimate.
A long time ago, CCP once stated that the contract system would be reworked to include treaties and such. There is nothing wrong with renting or protection rackets in EVE if people are willing to set them up and others are willing to pay.
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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
2178
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Posted - 2014.10.10 19:12:16 -
[75] - Quote
knobber Jobbler wrote:Ocih wrote:Rental is a dirty word but it's really about a lack of contract options.
It would have been nice to see a polar opposite of War Dec where we could contract blue standings and let some role play corp that fancies themselves professional Ice miners, a 3 month contract to certain systems. The rental system is really about private contracting of smaller corporations by larger, military ones. It just needs legitimate mechanics to make it legitimate. A long time ago, CCP once stated that the contract system would be reworked to include treaties and such. There is nothing wrong with renting or protection rackets in EVE if people are willing to set them up and others are willing to pay.
I actually agree, I never saw renting as a dirty word, there was obviously some demand for it as you can tell by the size of the renting alliances.
Ofcourse if there was more NRDS space, there would be less renter demand.
BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
Phoebe:_ Remember remember the fourth of november._
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Mr Management
Anger Management
13
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Posted - 2014.10.23 15:20:52 -
[76] - Quote
Increase the size of the tank so the little fish can avoid the sharks.
Remove Capitals, Remove Sov, Increase the size of 0.0.
The game was more fun without these and with less people 0.0 looked big and fun. |
Midnight Firestarter
Anger Management
27
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Posted - 2014.10.23 15:23:18 -
[77] - Quote
I rent because its the only way I get to have fun in 0.0 and play the game.
If we turned up and started doing x in system y then we would last 10 seconds.
Give us a solution |
Treyah
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Nulli Secunda
4
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Posted - 2014.11.10 01:40:51 -
[78] - Quote
O'nira wrote:they would need to take a look at how easy it is for alliances to project their power over such vast distances, you can't nerf renter alliances without nerfing real alliances as well.
small alliances can't take space for themselves because a huge alliance will just jump to whatever area of space this small alliance is attacking and stomp them, might be able to attrition war them but that would require grinding the structures and then the big alliance come in their supercaps and grinds it back in 10 times less time and of course the small guys can't use their supercaps if they even have any because they are small.
You nerf force projection you nerf big space holding alliances.
Which is exactly what CCP did -- should be interesting now at least. |
Signal11th
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
1442
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Posted - 2014.11.10 09:23:33 -
[79] - Quote
Tirabi wrote:What happened seriously?
Half of all 0.0 sov is held by Renters
NA./PBLRD/BOT
So many regions completely dominated by renters.
NC only have 2500 members in general yet over 6k in renters, P/L-BOT same sorta deal.
How long until pretty much most of 0.0 is renter corps, and its just 1 alliance vs another?
imo its pretty much ruined any sort of actual alliance warfare in regions.
Any thoughts? should this be limited? or will they continue to run all regions as renting alliances and have no room for new alliances/corps to step up?
Humm ok let me explain a few things,
I've been around the block in 0.0, pretty much spent my whole eve life in 0.0, small gang,10 hour fleets grinds,running a corp in 0.0 etc etc been there done it all pretty much. Now after a 6 month break from all that what am I now, yep a lowly renter and you know what I actually like it. Let me tell you why....
Log on when I want, Do what "I" want, Don't have people you would quite gladly stick in a decomp chamber telling you what to do because they are the "boss" Do I want to rat ...yep ok I will rat..Do I want to go kill stuff ..cool I will do that.
I literally have no one tell me what to do and I get all the benefits of 0.0. Yes I have to pay for that privilege but it's isk and I pay it and it's done, In the big old alliance for all of these pleasures I have to be at someone's beck and call for the whole month.
If I want to join the 0.0 big battle I can because I'm still blue to the big mothership and what's even better because I'm a renter this means de-facto everyone thinks I'm a scrub and expects nothing from me.
After 5 years of going from one 0.0 battle to another I can tell you it's all pretty pointless because it's just the same thing over and over again, you win some you lose some but in the end you nearly always end up with you and some other chap doing all the work and someone who has a reputation getting all the rewards.
I've put my time in 0.0 and being a sad lowly renter has been more interesting in 2 weeks than the last 1 year of 0.0 for me.
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Treyah
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Nulli Secunda
24
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Posted - 2014.11.13 23:50:24 -
[80] - Quote
In terms of empty systems not being used, I'm surprised CCP doesn't implement a design to where a system with POS's that don't suffer "a pre-determined" number of npc kills will cause all said POS's setup there to burn through stront and/or resources at 3x the normal rate due to the extra fuel the POS's have to burn in order to fend off increasingly aggressive NPC pirate assaults |
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Bl1SkR1N
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
49
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Posted - 2014.11.16 09:29:38 -
[81] - Quote
It's nice to see these new changes making impact on null already. How hardly N3 is trying to keep a hold of their renters, all those mails how they will defend them but then you just see renter carrier defense fleet getting slaughtered :D Arming renters to fight for the space they even pay for. And the best part are angry mails of Scarlet where she wants to kick everyone. |
Signal11th
1468
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Posted - 2014.11.17 10:53:45 -
[82] - Quote
Bl1SkR1N wrote:It's nice to see these new changes making impact on null already. How hardly N3 is trying to keep a hold of their renters, all those mails how they will defend them but then you just see renter carrier defense fleet getting slaughtered :D Arming renters to fight for the space they even pay for. And the best part are angry mails of Scarlet where she wants to kick everyone.
I've noticed that a few renter corps have claimed sov in their rented systems because they know the owners can't actually prevent them from doing it, why pay for a system when you can just take it.
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Bl1SkR1N
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
49
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Posted - 2014.11.17 12:47:35 -
[83] - Quote
Signal11th wrote:Bl1SkR1N wrote:It's nice to see these new changes making impact on null already. How hardly N3 is trying to keep a hold of their renters, all those mails how they will defend them but then you just see renter carrier defense fleet getting slaughtered :D Arming renters to fight for the space they even pay for. And the best part are angry mails of Scarlet where she wants to kick everyone. I've noticed that a few renter corps have claimed sov in their rented systems because they know the owners can't actually prevent them from doing it, why pay for a system when you can just take it.
yeah exactly...if couple of corps living nearby would team up they can easily take over constelation or two. Or they could just live in that system, not pay rent, get kicked and keep living in that system while BOT or NA pays upkeeps. |
Dave Leadland
Honor and Ethics Keiretsu Kapital
6
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Posted - 2014.12.06 14:22:11 -
[84] - Quote
Only thing what this game should be nerfed is players ability to post anything what indicates suggesting a nerf. Renters has always been ingame and always will be. It's just now it is more available to everyone. So what is wrong letting some new/old Alliance or corp to go and enjoy fruits of 0.0 sec. Fee is fair, ISK income is fair. Only thing what isnt fair Is amount of drama what is created between renters. Either on language barrier or out of just pure silliness.
Now if some one really wants to stop rentals... a) Build up a corp b) Build up a Alliance c) Learn meta gaming d) Invade, dont let anyone in. e) Get disbanded by spies. f) Join corp that rents space what you holded earlier.
Such is cycle of eve. |
lost packet
GamCorp Almost Broken
20
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Posted - 2014.12.13 15:52:41 -
[85] - Quote
Ka'Narlist wrote:This man clearly knows what he is talking about.
Maybe they should nerf the fuel capacity of carriers?
this |
Red Teufel
Mafia Redux
403
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Posted - 2014.12.14 15:58:05 -
[86] - Quote
It takes a good year or 2 for old mentalities to change in null. Much like the master/pet that dominiated prior to renting. Many of these groups will break off from renting and try to take their own space. CCP will help with that in the form of sov mechanic changes. |
knobber Jobbler
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
492
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Posted - 2014.12.15 16:21:06 -
[87] - Quote
You fail to understand why they won't do this. People rent because it's easy, stress free sov. You pay a little every month for someone else to do the grunt work of sorting out the sov and protecting you.
People will always rent, there is nothing CCP can do to really stop that and why should they? It's a valid method of income for the land lords. Look at it this way, NCdotte cannot effectively defend their massive renter empire from a concerted effort by willing parties who wish to take it.
However effort appears to be the key word here. Despite all the hurf by all the people who want in on Sov and overjoyed at the changes in Pheobe, none of them have actually bothered to go and take some space, which could be easily taken right now. They're not willing to get a few hundred like minded people into a corporation and go and take it.
The old saying goes: You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. |
Signal11th
1523
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Posted - 2014.12.15 16:49:25 -
[88] - Quote
knobber Jobbler wrote:You fail to understand why they won't do this. People rent because it's easy, stress free sov. You pay a little every month for someone else to do the grunt work of sorting out the sov and protecting you.
People will always rent, there is nothing CCP can do to really stop that and why should they? It's a valid method of income for the land lords. Look at it this way, NCdotte cannot effectively defend their massive renter empire from a concerted effort by willing parties who wish to take it.
However effort appears to be the key word here. Despite all the hurf by all the people who want in on Sov and overjoyed at the changes in Pheobe, none of them have actually bothered to go and take some space, which could be easily taken right now. They're not willing to get a few hundred like minded people into a corporation and go and take it.
The old saying goes: You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
hum a bit of the old bob ideology creeping in there Goon boy, Renters don't rely on anyone to "protect them" tbh because renters will just pay whoever is in charge. Doesn't matter if it's goons/solar/nc whoever, if they will accept iskies for a system then it doesn't matter who is in charge.
"Someone" taking your region....can you rent off them.yes ok business as usual, if not you move somewhere else.
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.....why drink when you can get someone to bring the water to you for a low sum every month.
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
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knobber Jobbler
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
492
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Posted - 2014.12.15 23:05:23 -
[89] - Quote
I have literally no idea what you just said. |
Signal11th
1524
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Posted - 2014.12.16 10:23:51 -
[90] - Quote
knobber Jobbler wrote:I have literally no idea what you just said.
Oh well... You can show someone an instruction manual but it doesn't mean they will understand it, is that better? you seem to like your adages?
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
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knobber Jobbler
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
493
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Posted - 2014.12.16 12:27:04 -
[91] - Quote
No, what you initially wrote still doesn't make any sense. |
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
463
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Posted - 2015.01.05 06:05:33 -
[92] - Quote
There are PVP players and PVE players. These are different types of players.
As long as there's going to be any PVE in 0.0 there will be renters simply because PVP players don't like to PVE as much and PVE players can't fight dedicated PVP players due to not having the right ships, skills, FCs, experience and org structure.
So it's a natural arrangement - effectively "rental lords" are the permanent military wings of PVE corps, just like in many corps there are military/home defense groups and industrial/PVE wings.
It's a basic consequence of skill and expertise specialization. Even required ship skills are often different for PVP and PVE. Often you actually need not just a different set of ships but a completely different pilot to do PVP or PVE. |
Agent Unknown
Night Theifs DamnedNation
3
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Posted - 2015.01.14 21:09:04 -
[93] - Quote
A lot of 0.0 space is just not worth taking either. I mean, aside from R64 moons and other lucrative things in a small number of systems (or it having an outpost), where's the point in "owning" a system?
As it stands, it's not worth it for an alliance to grind timers for days and risk billions in assets for little reward in return. Plus, even if they do, a larger alliance and just swoop in and steal it from under their noses because the new alliance will be without the basic protections (cyno jammers, etc).
I remember CSM mentioning that SOV changes are on CCP's priority list, so we'll see how that pans out. |
Signal11th
1654
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Posted - 2015.01.15 09:57:41 -
[94] - Quote
Agent Unknown wrote:A lot of 0.0 space is just not worth taking either. I mean, aside from R64 moons and other lucrative things in a small number of systems (or it having an outpost), where's the point in "owning" a system?
As it stands, it's not worth it for an alliance to grind timers for days and risk billions in assets for little reward in return. Plus, even if they do, a larger alliance and just swoop in and steal it from under their noses because the new alliance will be without the basic protections (cyno jammers, etc).
I remember CSM mentioning that SOV changes are on CCP's priority list, so we'll see how that pans out.
Pretty much this. I mean if you are exploring or doing sites you can pretty much fly anywhere (within reason) and just do them. Most systems are empty and you can fill your coffers to your hearts content.
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
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Araxmas
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
5
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Posted - 2015.01.15 13:52:23 -
[95] - Quote
I get the feeling the OP really likes Star Citizen. |
Hemmo Paskiainen
470
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Posted - 2015.01.15 13:54:49 -
[96] - Quote
Agent Unknown wrote:A lot of 0.0 space is just not worth taking either. I mean, aside from R64 moons and other lucrative things in a small number of systems (or it having an outpost), where's the point in "owning" a system?
As it stands, it's not worth it for an alliance to grind timers for days and risk billions in assets for little reward in return. Plus, even if they do, a larger alliance and just swoop in and steal it from under their noses because the new alliance will be without the basic protections (cyno jammers, etc).
I remember CSM mentioning that SOV changes are on CCP's priority list, so we'll see how that pans out.
You are perfecty pointing out the current errors in the current sov mechanics. Profit for an alliance shouldn't come from "R64's or other lucrative things in a small number of systems". It should come from the people that live in it. Thriving alliances should be more profitable than anything else.
Spoiled with all the easy tech isk, look what happend to 0.0... An super armsrace. Owning systems to just own it, or perhaps rent it out. But looking at the sideaffects, by claiming it just to claim it, your basicly denying it to who ever else is there. Excluding the small fish and force them to rent. Denying them their own oppertunity to have complete sandbox fun. How Hyphocrite! How did you got there...?
Having, holding sov, should by my opinion be more unprofitable. Activity based: the more daily login's the cheaper the sov bill is in a specific system. Sov will become a favour instead of a tool for power, based around activity. The affects of such based sovsystem will have much needed energetic affects to 0.0. It is absolutly needed will a self sustainable nullsec ever succeed. More industrial branches of corps doing things, more miners to kill, rorq's to awox and freighters to kill. Easier pvp ships to get, more people around to shoot and more micro pvp to be had.
Did anyone ever wonder, why back in 2008, the daily log-in was the same but the large pvp battles were smaller sized? (and dont dare to say because of TiDi or server issues )
"Relativity equals time plus momentum: if it can be erased by a single click on a button, would it be worth spending it?"
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Araxmas
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
5
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Posted - 2015.01.15 16:47:42 -
[97] - Quote
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Agent Unknown wrote:A lot of 0.0 space is just not worth taking either. I mean, aside from R64 moons and other lucrative things in a small number of systems (or it having an outpost), where's the point in "owning" a system?
As it stands, it's not worth it for an alliance to grind timers for days and risk billions in assets for little reward in return. Plus, even if they do, a larger alliance and just swoop in and steal it from under their noses because the new alliance will be without the basic protections (cyno jammers, etc).
I remember CSM mentioning that SOV changes are on CCP's priority list, so we'll see how that pans out. You are perfecty pointing out the current errors in the current sov mechanics. Profit for an alliance shouldn't come from "R64's or other lucrative things in a small number of systems". It should come from the people that live in it. Thriving alliances should be more profitable than anything else. Spoiled with all the easy tech isk, look what happend to 0.0... An super armsrace. Owning systems to just own it, or perhaps rent it out. But looking at the sideaffects, by claiming it just to claim it, your basicly denying it to who ever else is there. Excluding the small fish and force them to rent. Denying them their own oppertunity to have complete sandbox fun. How Hyphocrite! How did you got there...? Having, holding sov, should by my opinion be more unprofitable. Activity based: the more daily login's the cheaper the sov bill is in a specific system. Sov will become a favour instead of a tool for power, based around activity. The affects of such based sovsystem will have much needed energetic affects to 0.0. It is absolutly needed will a self sustainable nullsec ever succeed. More industrial branches of corps doing things, more miners to kill, rorq's to awox and freighters to kill. Easier pvp ships to get, more people around to shoot and more micro pvp to be had. Did anyone ever wonder, why back in 2008, the daily log-in was the same but the large pvp battles were smaller sized? (and dont dare to say because of TiDi or server issues )
Would be good if they did something like tying the sovreignty timers to how active the system is. A backwater place with barely any contact might be conqurable within a third of the time but an active system would be the full timer. Activity could be boosted simply by having the system count how many unique alliance members enter that system a day (thus causing players to form patrol fleets to keep the activity topped up along the frontiers). |
Andres Talas
Corporate Scum Brave Collective
147
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Posted - 2015.01.19 05:25:05 -
[98] - Quote
Midnight Firestarter wrote:I rent because its the only way I get to have fun in 0.0 and play the game.
If we turned up and started doing x in system y then we would last 10 seconds.
Give us a solution
1. Move to Providence - it's ****** space, but you arent paying rent. You might want to talk to their diplos first, and make sure you arent Kill On Sight.
2. Move to Scalding Pass - Gorgon/Meow have freeported all the stations there. You might want to talk to their diplos first, to make sure you understand their NIP deal and what it means.
3. Apply to one of the many CFC alliances with low recruiting standards. You may have a different view about how terrible they are once you see them from the inside.
4. Have a look at Hero Coalition, including Brave Collective and Test Alliance. Also ****** space, but theres a rumour our recruiting standards arent high.
5. Investigate how much Black Frog would charge to move your stuff, and 20 combat cruisers each, to a fine NPC region like Stain or Venal. |
Theodoric Darkwind
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
317
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Posted - 2015.01.21 05:26:31 -
[99] - Quote
Andres Talas wrote:
1. Move to Providence - it's ****** space, but you arent paying rent. You might want to talk to their diplos first, and make sure you arent Kill On Sight.
2. Move to Scalding Pass - Gorgon/Meow have freeported all the stations there. You might want to talk to their diplos first, to make sure you understand their NIP deal and what it means.
3. Apply to one of the many CFC alliances with low recruiting standards. You may have a different view about how terrible they are once you see them from the inside.
4. Have a look at Hero Coalition, including Brave Collective and Test Alliance. Also ****** space, but theres a rumour our recruiting standards arent high.
5. Investigate how much Black Frog would charge to move your stuff, and 20 combat cruisers each, to a fine NPC region like Stain or Venal.
Renting is mostly for PvErs who only want to make isk. We will gladly take their isk because it pays for a lot of nice thingsGäó we get in the CFC (i.e. good SRP, capital subsidies/free fuel, etc.). Plus they are mostly taking space that would otherwise sit unused. |
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
326
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Posted - 2015.01.26 17:43:51 -
[100] - Quote
So, just as a thought, if the problem is excessive supercap proliferation, one answer seems to be that the tech race of the capital warfare meta needs to continue. You can't really go bigger than titan, but you can go smaller.
It might be getting about time for EVE to get an anti-capital torpedo boat equivalent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpedo_boat).
Something like a dessie sized ship that has a (relatively) high damage weapon that only is able to target capitals and up would do quite a bit to democratize the playing field.
Lord Admiral of PIE inc. | -áRecruitment Information | Public Forum | Neocom channel: "PIE Public" | Amarr Victor!
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2680
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Posted - 2015.03.08 04:20:19 -
[101] - Quote
We came to this organically. And what it all boils down to really is supercaps. The expectation that cost would be an ideal balancing factor in an entire class of ship was ********. More supercaps were built last year than have been destroyed in the game EVER.
This means if you want to take and defend a region you need more supercaps than a theoretical invading force would have. This means you need money, which in turn encourages you to take more space in order to rent it out and build more supercaps.
Mix this in with phoebe making supercaps basically unusable for anything but defense due to their travel limitations and you have this fun cold war situation we have now. Everyone has enough to basically defend what they own with impunity, but no one is willing to go through the assgrinding impossibility of moving their **** around for offensive operations.
With the next sov revamp I expect most renter space to be on fire. We'll see how that turns out. |
Flaming Butterfly
Black Serpent Technologies Black Legion.
4
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Posted - 2015.03.26 14:43:18 -
[102] - Quote
Delete supers and give each player 10 billion as compensation.
Send in the Jovians to start capturing npc stations and destroying Outposts starting in Drone land as some twisted purge/punishment, then into Stain where the screaming started with Sansha and resetting 0.0 to some degree. Alliances are asked to declare a safe-station -a home- which will not be devastated by the Drifters when they begin their purge. Outposts, Pos, etc... demolished with blinding speed by Drifter, Domination Dreads, Sleepers. Space is rendered largely empty.
Players get introduced to the new structure system of living outside stations/outposts. Space is not so much 'claimed' but simply lived in. 0.0 then has pockets of invading sleepers and drifters roaming and hacking gates to further disrupt rebuilding.
The greater the concentration of capsuleers, the greater the danger of drifter assault. Want to claim empty constellations... go after the Drifter listening post or whatever and drifter fleets. Learn ways to overcome.
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Blodi deVriis
TIME WARP Corp New Eden Terraform Alliance
0
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Posted - 2015.06.15 07:47:54 -
[103] - Quote
To satisfy the wet dreams of some individuals to hold power, the gameplay of many is reduced to the level of (mining) drones. The game should offer everybody the opportunity to do everything!
One control tower per moon? Remove it! Everything immediatley visible on D-scan? Make ships and structures hard to detect, even add cloaks to stations. Ninja (moon) mining must become an option. Have ressources (moon goo) deplete with a time constant. It will be possible to get a fast return on invest, but it will not be possible to place forerver-ISK-making machines.
Divide et impera! Reduce the size, corps and especially alliances may have. Instead of a few dominating alliances, a lot of competing entities must be created again. Remove super capitals. If someone wants to project force, he shall set up a large fleet. Additionally battleships and carriers would make more sense again.
Remove sov completely. If someone wants to "control" space, he should be forced to set up patrols, and actually control it. The concept of "sov" is so far away from reality, it even does not make sense for a game.
Space is vast, and the game should reflect it. A lot more systems should be added. I would like to travel through systems for days without meeting a living soul.
Large scale indsutrial operations. On demand, on time, on budget.
Selling: T2 ships and components. Buying: minerals, salvage, datacores.
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Talurion
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
4
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Posted - 2015.06.25 00:00:59 -
[104] - Quote
I'm waiting the day when renters will understand that they can outnumber their masters and will break their chains. But I guess there are a lot of people that keeps their RL attitude in videogames "our freedom for our safety".
It is now pl/n3, not PL/N3 (sacrificed all their caps)
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6725
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Posted - 2015.07.19 07:37:19 -
[105] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:With the next sov revamp I expect most renter space to be on fire. We'll see how that turns out. Our renter program came back VoV
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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insanebe
Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation
0
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Posted - 2015.07.19 11:31:00 -
[106] - Quote
bring back the old smart Bomb Doomsday weapon but this time have it strong enough to destroy capital fleets
This turns the Titans into giant suicide ships |
Beautiful Frelcia
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
43
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Posted - 2015.07.23 15:57:27 -
[107] - Quote
insanebe wrote:bring back the old smart Bomb Doomsday weapon but this time have it strong enough to destroy capital fleets This turns the Titans into giant suicide ships
And? Sorry i have missed the point.... |
WarFireV
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
420
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Posted - 2015.07.24 17:01:07 -
[108] - Quote
Does someone really need a point? |
Athryn Bellee
Concordiat Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
52
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Posted - 2015.07.26 23:45:13 -
[109] - Quote
If capitals aren't as useful for capturing systems are the phoebe changes still needed? |
Dynast
Caldari Privateers Group Templis CALSF
114
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Posted - 2015.10.05 11:03:53 -
[110] - Quote
Tirabi wrote:so what exactly was it that change so much to fall into this sorta chaos?
I remember the days of all of 0.0 held by alliances and most owned the whole region, everyone was at war with one another and it was a nice place to pvp in. The "good old days" where when, or operated on inertia from, the years when there was no "jumping" past dozens of gates. Remove jump everything, do away with the concept of jumping (Sansha did it with trans-space disruptor tech, whatever) and require all ships to navigate via gates again, and the old dynamics could be possible again. |
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takedoom
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
77
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Posted - 2015.10.08 15:24:02 -
[111] - Quote
Every time I read a thread about concepts and how the game should be played really makes me cringe. The game was advertised as a ******* sandbox. Half of null is renters because that is how it played out. Don't like it? You can change it by grouping up with like minded players and starting ****. Or you can be a giant pussy and petition CCP until they kill the game some more.
http://spinthatdamnship.ytmnd.com/
I am not a thief. I am a treasure hunter.
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Gary Bell
Herp Inc.dot Darwinism.
147
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Posted - 2015.10.10 14:39:24 -
[112] - Quote
Why do you keep posting in this old ass thread the forum is dead go away random scrub who goes back 134 pages to post things |
Crystalline Entity
Outdated Host Productions Mortum Ravagers
26
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Posted - 2015.10.13 12:45:10 -
[113] - Quote
Gary Bell wrote:Why do you keep posting in this old ass thread the forum is dead go away random scrub who goes back 134 pages to post things
Bump |
Tirabi
Primary Industries TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
8
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Posted - 2015.10.14 02:54:09 -
[114] - Quote
I have just seen this thread again and its still ongoing!
wtf!
CCP can u please just lock it now, I think everyone has had there opinion on the matter and tbh we aren't getting anywhere and the whole renting thing has been explained.
Now its upto CCP to organise how they want to structure the game if they want to reduce renting or want people to start invading others space. |
Temugen
Caldari Fire Demons Elite Demons Playground
0
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Posted - 2015.11.09 22:10:03 -
[115] - Quote
Blodi deVriis wrote:To satisfy the wet dreams of some individuals to hold power, the gameplay of many is reduced to the level of (mining) drones. The game should offer everybody the opportunity to do everything!
One control tower per moon? Remove it! Everything immediatley visible on D-scan? Make ships and structures hard to detect, even add cloaks to stations. Ninja (moon) mining must become an option. Have ressources (moon goo) deplete with a time constant. It will be possible to get a fast return on invest, but it will not be possible to place forerver-ISK-making machines.
Divide et impera! Reduce the size, corps and especially alliances may have. Instead of a few dominating alliances, a lot of competing entities must be created again. Remove super capitals. If someone wants to project force, he shall set up a large fleet. Additionally battleships and carriers would make more sense again.
Remove sov completely. If someone wants to "control" space, he should be forced to set up patrols, and actually control it. The concept of "sov" is so far away from reality, it even does not make sense for a game.
Space is vast, and the game should reflect it. A lot more systems should be added. I would like to travel through systems for days without meeting a living soul.
This |
takedoom
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
79
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Posted - 2015.11.11 05:10:13 -
[116] - Quote
Gary Bell wrote:Why do you keep posting in this old ass thread the forum is dead go away random scrub who goes back 134 pages to post things
I post where I want and when I want. Go press f1 for daddy now.
http://spinthatdamnship.ytmnd.com/
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6880
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Posted - 2015.12.21 22:17:56 -
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takedoom wrote:Every time I read a thread about concepts and how the game should be played really makes me cringe. The game was advertised as a ******* sandbox. Half of null is renters because that is how it played out. Don't like it? You can change it by grouping up with like minded players and starting ****. Or you can be a giant pussy and petition CCP until they kill the game some more. Petition? Just make a post in CAOD where it'll be so ignored it isn't even locked for ranting or whatever
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall.
We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
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aldhura
Bartledannians
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Posted - 2015.12.21 23:38:10 -
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Renting has all the benefits of null sov without the politics and drama... why would you not rent ??
Bartledannians are recruiting.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6150832#post6150832
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Sephiroth CloneIIV
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
159
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Posted - 2015.12.29 02:02:29 -
[119] - Quote
its been that way for a while, bob had pet alliances, and drone renters in the east. And the old northern co did it too more or less (some full members, some part members, some literal renters).
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Sephiroth Clone VII
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
159
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Posted - 2015.12.29 02:02:29 -
[120] - Quote
its been that way for a while, bob had pet alliances, and drone renters in the east. And the old northern co did it too more or less (some full members, some part members, some literal renters).
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Hauler Joe
Forced Euthanasia Soviet-Union
4
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Posted - 2015.12.30 15:22:47 -
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Tirabi wrote:yes I know its about the isk, however don't you think this destroys the whole concept of 0.0 space, and alliance holding, these days all you need to do is get some people to pay you isk for a system that's apparently under some alliance protection.
Just destroys the game for tbh, don't get me wrong, good idea, great way to make isk. (no I aint jealous I don't need isk) I just want the concept of space out there owned by alliances who are ether allied to each other or fighting one another, atleast the alliance would have taken the space for themselves instead of just paying for it.
anyway I hope CCP put an end to the madness that is renting space.
this is an idiot that says this "I hope CCP put an end to the madness that is renting space" You sound like Obama let the goverment run everything.
thats why this game is fail. Too man dummies are ruining the game that have not even hardly played. Crying like little babies then CCP listens and changes so the babies dont get their diapers in an uproar.
Its sad to see the game mechaincs programmed by people that dont play the game.
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Dave Leadland
The Black Ops Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2016.01.07 07:23:02 -
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I agree poster above me, but also it's posters Alliances fault. |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.01.07 22:04:25 -
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Tirabi wrote:thanks for the thoughts, imo this game is about control, strategy and all im seeing is big alliances sitting in there space under no threat at all just pulling in billions of isk made by other alliances.
0.0 space used to be a place that was deadly and hard to maintain/control, now it just seems if you got cash u got space.
would bringing back POS sov control fix this? :)
Sov space is worthless, there is no reason to try and take it. |
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