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Apelacja
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Posted - 2014.05.19 17:08:00 -
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ranks look valid for me.
Still i have some doubts about decryptors and invention jobs for JF/BS size hulls. There is totally no use of 1 run decryptors if the difference is going to be so small. ( eg 1-2%).
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Posted - 2014.06.04 11:38:00 -
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I have a question to CCP Greyscale:
Are u awarned that like 80 % of BPO`s needed to make BSs and JFs will be not needed anymore? Are u going to buy all those BPO`s back? Otherwise it is just another crash on market for some BPO`s. I have many doubts right now of what u are doing bcs it has to large impact on market. Myabe leave coppy times for bs/capitals? |
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Posted - 2014.06.04 18:00:00 -
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Carniflex wrote:Apelacja wrote:I have a question to CCP Greyscale:
Are u awarned that like 80 % of BPO`s needed to make BSs and JFs will be not needed anymore? Are u going to buy all those BPO`s back? Otherwise it is just another crash on market for some BPO`s. I have many doubts right now of what u are doing bcs it has to large impact on market. Myabe leave coppy times for bs/capitals? The problem is the POS arrays. With the price of these prints it would be silly to expect people to put the BPO's into POS so making only station production viable for these items would kinda screw over small time / casual produces in a pretty bad way. And while it migth be hard to believe there are actually casual capital and BS produces out there. You know, people doing perhaps 2 carriers a month or so.
It can look like casual job for u but there are ppl who cook more then 30-50 capitals per month. And ppl are making most of the capitals in station right now so the BPO by itself is still busy. After patch it still be busy but just coppied before making cap ( or made in null stations if there will be - 5 % me in outpost).
I have a concern about JFs bcs i`m one of the builders. Only reducing coppy time made around 80 % of my BPOs useless. And it is visible even right now on market. Just look at all thoose BPC of freighters being sold on contracts for lol prices. And believe there is no growing market to adopt those freighter`s bpos for propoduction purpose.
And now imagine situation of positive me invented bpc`es. If the difference will be up to 2 % between one run and 5 run even it will be not worth to do anyother invention than 5 run. ( RIght now u have 8 runs and 2 runs which are only 1 % ME worse).
So according to my calculations ( and yea i build JF`s) like 90 % of freighters bpos will be useless in the best optimistic case. In worse 97% will be out of use.
Another story is when the - 50 % -60% coppy time will be set up then capitals coppies will flood market even more.
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Posted - 2014.06.04 18:26:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:It's not something that's on the top of my list of concerns right now, but I'm prepared to be persuaded otherwise.
Let`s make some calculations ( with fully skilled characters everything lvl 5)
Now coppy time is 54 days after patch it will be 13 days. All freighters are built from 1 run invention run due to 10 % difference for 1 ME, and chance is 40% ( 42 in theory, but after 2 000 invention for me it below 40 %, i will assume it is 40%).
So u need around 2,5 coppy of Freighter BPO to make one JF. so it is around 50 coppies to make 20 JF`s. It is 5 characters coppying and building per month when u count small queue on slots in hs and when u don`t build freighters.
Altogher u need 50 coppies so it is 50 BPO`s.
To achive the same state after patch u will need only 18 BPO`s under coppy all the time in hs station. In outpost 9 BPO`s. When invention will be changed to positive ME and difference will be only 1% between 8 run and 1 run then u will need only 1,2 BPO........
So as u see from 50 BPO`s constatnly being used in POS u will land into 1,2 in the worst case and 18 at the best without changed to invetion.
Now look at market in Jita:
charons - around 40 per day Rhea - around 9 per day.
to create Rhea u needed number of BPO`s enough to build 4,5 charons.
And as long as there will be no more BPO`s needed to create base coppy for invention u will get only from that step enough BPO`s to build additoional 40 charons per day.
In summary after changes there WILL BE 2 TIMES MORE BPO`s of freighters then currently needed.
Aproximately around 2 000 freighters BPO`s will be not used anymore and become totally useless.
And freighters BPO cost u 2 b per. Problem is somehow smaller with BS`s bcs number of involved BPO`s is much much smaller but for some industrialists still can exist.
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Posted - 2014.06.04 21:34:00 -
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Aluka 7th wrote:So you made investment that will still be profitable but will leave you with couple of unused BPOs (in your current setup) that you can still sell through forums and contracts but you can't be bothered and you want buy back program instead to cash out asap?
Hahahahahaha!
Its like I buy 20 battleship BPOs when there is high demand and then ask CCP to buy them back when demand drops as result of some ship nerfing change they did.
U don`t understand anything i see. Many ppl will loose and it will be spread between them, and i dont talk about this. This is not just a demand drop - which will be natural fluctuation. And such as change should be in the case of capitals ships commited partially not braking down the whole system in one patch.
Another story that i propsed that BPO`s will be by back by NPC ( so also BSs etc bpos) 10-15% below so still ppl loose on them.
CCP is changing totally S&I and i just pointed issue what it cause and which wasn`t mentioned before. It is not aboud demand but changes. Market in EVE always try to stabilize. And proposed changes can be compared to country changings taxes from 30 % to 80 %. If u still don`t see nothing wrong with it there sry but there is something wrong with You.
EVE online is paritally an economic game. AT least for many ppl involved in S&I it is. And changing so vital part of eve just like that can destroy everything quite fast. Consider that i own also T2 BPO`s and i don`t complain about them. More i`m afraid about teams but without exact data right now its hard to say anything. When changes will be avaible on Sis then we start to talk. |
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Posted - 2014.06.05 08:27:00 -
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Firvain wrote:Are people really complaining that you suddenly need less BPO's to do the same after crius? Really?? You just got a way to double your production and you are complaining about that?? Its like you got handed a free BPO and then moan that your old bpo isnt worth as much now anymore ><
If you realy want to sell your BPO's im sure there are plenty of new people going into Industry that want your BPO's
U cannot product with income more than market demand. Some basics for you: http://www.investopedia.com/university/economics/economics3.asp
And google 'residual demand curve'.
And i doubt that in nearest future eve will have 2 times more players to cover additional free BPO`s |
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Posted - 2014.06.11 12:07:00 -
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I logged on sisi and i see some weird costs for me/pe ? was it implemented yet?
the same with some bpos production cost like 1 b per run O.o:? |
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