Killing someones virtual character in a video game, you aren't really killing them. When you steal people required mission items with the sole intent to cause them anguish, or scam them in a video game, you are really

I've scammed people in EVE, therefore I must be a scammer in real life.

This ridiculous comparison again.

Killing someones virtual character in a video game, you aren't really killing them. When you steal people required mission items with the sole intent to cause them anguish, or scam them in a video game, you are really griefing and scamming them.

Think before you post.

i would like you to continue explaining...

GǪjust trying to make a (dis)honest living in the game and you're playing the game in accordance with the rules, same as the guy you GǣstoleGǥ from.

Id like you to think about why they may be happy to let these things be in this game, then get back to me with your thoughts on it

That is clearly just another ridiculous and nonsensical statement. You probably aren't smart enough to scam IRL but you likely would if you could.

Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough in this thread?

GǪjust trying to make a (dis)honest living in the game and you're playing the game in accordance with the rules, same as the guy you GǣstoleGǥ from.

Griefing people gets you kicked out of the game. Scamming people is just a way of making money.

And yes, lots of people were surprised. Aside from those carebears you occasionally come across, who spout all kind of abuse and threats of violence over a game, people in EVE are generally very well adjusted. They use the game as a game GÇö as escapism GÇö and nothing more. They don't suffer any delusional confusion between real and virtual life; they don't see legal moves in the game as personal insults; and they don't flip out over having lost a round (because, hey, there will always be a second round and it's a game anyway GÇö you win some, you lose some).

Neither does EVE. It's just a legal move among many, same as bluffing in poker or backstabbing in Diplomacy or GÇ£accidentallyGÇ¥ contributing a low-attack card in Cosmic Encounters or feinting right but going left in football. If the other guy falls for it, great! If he doesn't, good on him for seeing through such an easy ruse.

Oh, and you know that GÇ£sociopathyGÇ¥ doesn't really exist, right?

its not the rules as it is poor game design that CCP isn't willing to make the effort to fix untill more people complain about it.

How do you know they dont? have you visited them? do you live with them? where is your evidence on your conclusion?

I suggest CCP give a kick to the face of the sociopaths with a patch that removes their ability to loot other players required mission items.

Finally cracking down on scamming would also be nice. It really adds nothing to your game but contempt for it. Who really cares about the degenerates that make your game ugly? Or will it cost you too much money to police it?

its not the rules as it is poor game design that CCP isn't willing to make the effort to fix untill more people complain about it. And apparently they think it will cost them more money to allow scamming than to police it. CCP, as we know, is a very greedy company.

needless to say, it is really ridiculous to think everything in a game like this is as it should be.

its not the rules as it is poor game design

And apparently they think it will cost them more money to allow scamming than to police it.

needless to say, it is really ridiculous to think everything in a game like this is as it should be.

Neither does EVE.

Quoting for hilarity.

Tippia, do you actually believe all that nonsensical crap that you type?

Quoting for hilarity.

Tippia, do you actually believe all that nonsensical crap that you type?

Srsly?

You are engaging Tippia with a standard "How do you know the Big Bang happened if you werent there?" type defense?

***** pls

Quoting for hilarity.

Tippia, do you actually believe all that nonsensical crap that you type?

Who can take you seriously when you have your own ridiculous definitions for everything?

Nice personal attack there.

You break the rules of the EVE Online Forums, therefore you must be a rule breaker in real life.

Hey, I'm no stranger to a "hardcore" ruleset.

I used to play Darkfall, a full loot open world pvp game with no safety zones. You actually have to have good aim and utilize terrain in that game, and account for projectile flight times. Its about 10x more skill demanding than EVE.

Darkfall doesn't condone scamming however and doesn't give sociopaths an outlet within protection, such as high-sec.

try again.

Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough in this thread?

EVE GÇ£condonesGÇ¥ scamming the same way poker condones bluffing. In other words, not at all. It offers no normative valuation of a legal move.

Lets face the facts. EVE is a great game but it also attracts the most pathetic of degenerates via its low-risk, low-cost, low-skill ceiling "pvp" where aggressors have all the advantages, and its condonation of scamming.

The mentality of many EVE players towards others is one of disrespect often sadistic.

It is no surprise that this has carried over into the real world:

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/462205/legal-action-underway-as-eve-monument-is-vandalised/

I suggest CCP give a kick to the face of the sociopaths with a patch that removes their ability to loot other players required mission items.

Finally cracking down on scamming would also be nice. It really adds nothing to your game but contempt for it. Who really cares about the degenerates that make your game ugly? Or will it cost you too much money to police it?

Apparently it's not full loot and has safety zones if there is no scamming. Matching wits is still pvp.

I have to admit its pretty funny to watch you do all those heavy mental gymnastics.

yes i am. well done for pointing out the obvious,