PETITION: remove T2 BPOs from the game entirely.

1. They fundamentally undermine an entire existing mechanic.

2. They heavily distort the market results of said mechanic.

3. Per Fanfest, they are already slated to go at some point.

4. This is supposed to be an industrial overhaul; let's overhaul.

5. People defending them either own them or are part of organizations which own them.

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PETITION: remove supertrolls from the game entirely.
1. They fundamentally undermine an entire existing community.
2. They heavily distort the moral and healthy sense of gameplay.
3. At Fanfest, they are sitting in a corner crying.
4. This is supposed to be another trollpost; let's troll like hell.
5. People defending them either are trolls or are part of organizations which love to troll.

You've pretty much supported what he's saying here. You've not actually countered with any real reasons for why T2 BPOs should be kept, and you've just attacked him because you are a T2 BPO holder.

Interesting, I can't see where I am attacking the OP. I just added a pretty general sarcastic statement about trolls and the first one who feels involved is you Mr. Kell. I must admit, that's pretty amazing :D Like throwing out the fishing rod xD

3. At Fanfest, they are sitting in a corner crying.

Vice versa I could claim that the OP is attacking me because of those never-ending ridiculous "Remove T2 bpos" troll threads. However, Mr. kell, you can relax, I don't feel attacked because I don't hold a single T2 BPO ;)

T2 BPOs will remain, like the whiners, who are too poor to buy, resulting to be mad and jealy ;)

Let's not go through this again, where everyone repeats the same tired lines and replies.....and goes back and forth for days into a huge threadnaught that accomplishes nothing - just like every other thread on the subject.

CCP knows how people feel about it. They'll figure out if/when they do something.

Frankly, I couldn't care less. They don't effect the market as much as people think.

I want to retain T2 BPOs because my alliance holds a lot of them, thus confirming point #5.

Kell is correct here.

If T2 BPOs have no big economic impact, then there is no harm in removing them.

If T2 BPOs have a big economic impact, then they have created a case to remove them.

Kell is correct here.

If T2 BPOs have no big economic impact, then there is no harm in removing them.

If T2 BPOs have a big economic impact, then they have created a case to remove them.

That is horrible logic and misses something very import, just because they may not have a big universe wide economic impact doesn't mean they don't make a significant character level impact.

So would changing capital ship stats, freighter fitting options, or even entire ship roles. Yet CCP does this anyway because it is good for the game as a whole. If we halted everything that had a "significant character level impact" nothing would get done.

Did CCP reimburse people who bought highsec capitals at inflated prices? No.

Does CCP reimburse players who buy mines at inflated prices? No.

Why then do T2 BPOs get this magical handwave? No, they should not, and should be subject to review like all other aspects in the game.

You are not using valid logic, we are talking about T2 bpo, not cap ships stats or other features. If you change cap ship stats you effect all cap ship pilots but leave their ships, if you remove T2 bpo you only affect a portion of T2 item manufacturers by removing their prior means.

... and you've just attacked him because you are a T2 BPO holder.

Katherine, if there is something so valuable that the owners are unwilling to use existing mechanics for it, then it definitely needs to be removed. Every other asset in the game is subject to existing mechanics - why the special class for T2 BPOs?

PETITION: remove T2 BPOs from the game entirely.

1. They fundamentally undermine an entire existing mechanic.

2. They heavily distort the market results of said mechanic.

3. Per Fanfest, they are already slated to go at some point.

4. This is supposed to be an industrial overhaul; let's overhaul.

5. People defending them either own them or are part of organizations which own them.

p.s. I'm an inventor, and do NOT own t2 BPO's.

Well those T2 BPO owners will have to be compensated if you remove their blueprints. Some of them payed many 10's of billions (even 100's of billions) for the privilege of owning an isk printing machine. But how will CCP determine a fair compensation without just handing them 10 years worth of profits?

In truth though, I don't see CCP straight up removing them, I do see them however making changes to invention to decrease the gap between invented BPC's and BPO's to make invention more competitive across the board without removing the lazy profit factor of the BPO. Keep in mind though, BPO owners won't want to build out of a POS because they are typically not insane, so they'll be building out of stations. That means you can get a leg up on them with the new industry changes.

It is impossible to acquire new T2 BPOs.

As your numbers indicate, they have a distorting presence on the market.

This prevent new players from reasonably even looking into the invention market - why bother inventing an Eagle at all if a BPO holder will dominate 94% of the market? That is absurd.

The assets in question are eight years old. It is time they were taken out behind the barn.

What is "ad hominem circumstantial"? If you're going to play that game, play it better.

So valuable? The best "value" in a T2 BPO is in selling it. They're basically investment vehicles with extremely low return rates. There is exactly one scenario in which it makes sense to hold a T2 BPO:

You already have INSANE amounts of isk - multiple hundreds of billions, at a minimum. So much isk that it's unwieldy and difficult to invest it all. Anything less than that and you can trivially get a better return on other investments.

Uh... what? What game. That guy insinuated that the OP sit's in a corner crying at fanfest, which is clearly an attack. He did so because he has no actual response to the points made in this thread. It appears that you don't either, since I haven't seen you give a good reason for T2 BPOs to be kept.

The "good reason" is that they don't actually cause a problem, and, by default, you don't change something without a very good reason for changing something.

Essentially, the burden of proof is on the person arguing for change. Your argument is, "Because I'm jelly."

That still doesn't mean that CCP should work around them while trying to improve invention mechanics to make them better gameplay.

They can't just pretend they don't exist, since they are tied directly to invented BPOs.

Honestly, I can't tell if your being stupid or just purposely trying to be difficult, but it's not just an "ignore and move on" situation. It's an old mechanic getting in the way of improving the gameplay ion the new mechanic.

...not in any meaningful way, they aren't.

As is typically the case, I'm pretty sure that if you were capable of actually articulating any specific argument about them, you would do so, but you can't, so instead you say uselessly generic things like, "getting in the way of improving the gameplay!"