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Yahfree
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Posted - 2006.06.02 06:22:00 -
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Ok, so i'm sitting here thinking about what AF (Gallnte) to buy? For 0.0 Gurista ratting, i looked at RMR fits for ratting on both but both look almost the same so i'm Asking in YOU'R opinion (Please no Flaming other with different opinions) on what one is better for 0.0 ratting.
Thanks
Yahfree, President of ViperCorp.
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Yahfree
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Posted - 2006.06.02 06:39:00 -
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Well out of time be back some time tomarrow...
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trimdonite
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Posted - 2006.06.02 06:49:00 -
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in my experience enyo with blasters
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PriceCheckMax
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Posted - 2006.06.02 06:53:00 -
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I think that Ishkur is better choice for Guristas if you have Caldari T2 drones.
From my experience one Small Armor Repairer t2 and AB is enough to tank the spawns. Work your setup around that and try to add as many damage mods as possible in lows to make killing BSes faster. If you have problems with tank you can add a kinetic harderner/cap power relays. Also, I would recommend you to use Void S - it is more expensive but I consider it to be worth it due to the damage boost.
Enyo:
2 x T2 Neutrons 2 x T2 Ions 1 x AB 1 x web 1 x SAR2 3 x MFS2
Ishkur:
3 x T2 Ions 1 x Small Nosf(or remove this and uprade 1 gun to neutron) 1 x AB 1 x Web 1 x Cap Recharger/Warp scrambler 1 x SAR2 2 x MFS2 + full use of t2 drones (combination of hornets and vespas depending on the AS skill level)
I think the Ishkur setup requires AWU2(3?), and the Enyo setup won't fit without WU5. If you don't have the fitting skills I would recommend to use all ions etc
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.06.02 07:14:00 -
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Ishkur, if you have the drone skills.
You just can't beat drones for any kind of ratting like that. A major factor being, you can rat for longer because drones dont use ammo. Plus, Ishkurs tank better than Enyos.
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2006.06.02 07:18:00 -
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Ishkur, definitely. Light drones would rip any interceptors/AFs (NPC or otherwise) you run into to shreds, assuming you've got at least Drone Interfacing 3 trained of course. I've got 4 m'self.
One more gun can't really beat five frickin' drones, plus reserves. -------------- What good are actions if there's no one to tell the tale afterward?
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Novarei
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Posted - 2006.06.02 07:54:00 -
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ishkur :) +-----------------------------------------------+ Ressurection is upon us. |
Luc Boye
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Posted - 2006.06.02 07:55:00 -
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On the other hand, enyo with blasters + dmg mods has enough dps to take down battleship spawns. But yeah ishkur is sweet ship.
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2006.06.02 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Yahfree Ok, so i'm sitting here thinking about what AF (Gallnte) to buy? For 0.0 Gurista ratting, i looked at RMR fits for ratting on both but both look almost the same so i'm Asking in YOU'R opinion (Please no Flaming other with different opinions) on what one is better for 0.0 ratting.
Thanks
Yahfree, President of ViperCorp.
They both work well with a blaster setup. I use an Ishkur for ratting because I have high drone skills, and because the extra medslot is handy if some wannabe pirate interrupts me. But both work and can kill pretty big battleships solo.
Enyo with rails also works, but the damage output is lower and you might have problems with the bigger stuff. Ishkur with rails I don't recommend.
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Kunming
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Posted - 2006.06.02 10:07:00 -
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For over a year I havent seen 1 Enyo in pvp, neither on the friendly nor on the enemy side.
Maybe cause its a blaster boat with 2 frikkin mids.
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2006.06.02 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kunming For over a year I havent seen 1 Enyo in pvp, neither on the friendly nor on the enemy side.
Maybe cause its a blaster boat with 2 frikkin mids.
In a general case, Enyo tends to work better with 125mm rails than blasters, tbh. But yeah, it's not that hot for pvp. Rocks for pve though.
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Izo Azlion
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Posted - 2006.06.02 11:17:00 -
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Ishkur all the way. Down in Sansha space i've taken out a triple 1.7mil spawn in one.
3 x Light Ion Blaster II 1 x Small Nos
1 x 1mn AB II 1 x X5 Webber 1 x Cap recharger or something. (I used a scrambler, because it was my pvp setup.)
1 x Small Repper II 2 x Magnetic Field Stab II
plus rat specific drones
Izo Azlion. Sha Kharn.
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Tehyarec
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Posted - 2006.06.02 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Harumichi Enyo with rails also works, but the damage output is lower and you might have problems with the bigger stuff. Ishkur with rails I don't recommend.
Why? After all, Ishkur gets a decent chunk of its damage from the drones, so if rails fit better for one of them, in my opinion it'd be Ishkur.
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Yahfree
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Posted - 2006.06.02 17:29:00 -
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Ok so i seems we have more people saying ISHKUR....Btw i'm back So ishkur is just a allaround better ship for PVP and PVE? remeber i'm 95% gonna be using this ship for 0.0 ratting solo... i do see more neut fits for the enyo so i'm still thinking .... So any other opinions?
Yahfree, President of ViperCorp.
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xenodia
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Posted - 2006.06.02 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Yahfree Ok, so i'm sitting here thinking about what AF (Gallnte) to buy? For 0.0 Gurista ratting, i looked at RMR fits for ratting on both but both look almost the same so i'm Asking in YOU'R opinion (Please no Flaming other with different opinions) on what one is better for 0.0 ratting.
Thanks
Yahfree, President of ViperCorp.
Ive flown both, for PvP and for PvE. Really, both can be effective and it boils down to what your skills and preferences are. Enyo can usually kill things quicker, but you go through a LOT of ammo. With an Ishkur, if you know what youre doing you can kill NPCs without ever losing any drones, so the expenses are lower, but it can take a bit longer. Also, if you get in over your head you will probably have to abandon your drones and warp out.
Bottom line, for NPC hunting id use whichever one you have better skills for. The difference is negligible as long as you have correct skills for the one youre using.
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xenodia
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Posted - 2006.06.02 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Luc Boye On the other hand, enyo with blasters + dmg mods has enough dps to take down battleship spawns. But yeah ishkur is sweet ship.
You can take down BS spawns in ishkur too if you have decent drone skills.
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Yahfree
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Posted - 2006.06.02 17:51:00 -
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My gunnery skills are the following : Level 2 in motion prediction, rapid firing, and Sharpshooting, Gunnery is at level 5 with surgical strick at level 2... small hybird turrets is at level 3...Working on Small T2 blasters. in drones i have drones level 5, drone interfacing level 2, Light scout level 1 ...So... witch is better for my skills, and what skills do you think i should train up in?
Yahfree, President of ViperCorp.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.06.02 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kunming For over a year I havent seen 1 Enyo in pvp, neither on the friendly nor on the enemy side.
Maybe cause its a blaster boat with 2 frikkin mids.
blasterboat?
yah ok it's thinking out of the box, but you're talking about Afrigs here, wich means a slow frig. Rails suit them better tbh. -------
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xenodia
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Posted - 2006.06.02 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Yahfree My gunnery skills are the following : Level 2 in motion prediction, rapid firing, and Sharpshooting, Gunnery is at level 5 with surgical strick at level 2... small hybird turrets is at level 3...Working on Small T2 blasters. in drones i have drones level 5, drone interfacing level 2, Light scout level 1 ...So... witch is better for my skills, and what skills do you think i should train up in?
Yahfree, President of ViperCorp.
Honestly, with your current skills, I dont see you soloing battleship spawns in 0.0 in an AF at all, but if you are dead set on trying it, it go with Enyo until you have better drone skills.
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Yahfree
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Posted - 2006.06.02 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Izo Azlion Ishkur all the way. Down in Sansha space i've taken out a triple 1.7mil spawn in one.
3 x Light Ion Blaster II 1 x Small Nos
1 x 1mn AB II 1 x X5 Webber 1 x Cap recharger or something. (I used a scrambler, because it was my pvp setup.)
1 x Small Repper II 2 x Magnetic Field Stab II
plus rat specific drones
Ok this may seem like a NEWB question... But what do you mean by "Rat specific drones"? i'm going agenst guristas so What type of drones for me? are you talking about some of them shield tank so bring EM drones? or somthing else?
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Yahfree
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Posted - 2006.06.02 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: xenodia
Originally by: Yahfree My gunnery skills are the following : Level 2 in motion prediction, rapid firing, and Sharpshooting, Gunnery is at level 5 with surgical strick at level 2... small hybird turrets is at level 3...Working on Small T2 blasters. in drones i have drones level 5, drone interfacing level 2, Light scout level 1 ...So... witch is better for my skills, and what skills do you think i should train up in?
Yahfree, President of ViperCorp.
Honestly, with your current skills, I dont see you soloing battleship spawns in 0.0 in an AF at all, but if you are dead set on trying it, it go with Enyo until you have better drone skills.
I don't plan on going soon i know i'm not ready yet i'm still training for AF's so i won't be ready for some time, But it looks like to me what alot of you are saying is : Enyo for low drone skills and Ishkur for higher drone skills...
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xenodia
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Posted - 2006.06.02 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Yahfree Ok this may seem like a NEWB question... But what do you mean by "Rat specific drones"? i'm going agenst guristas so What type of drones for me? are you talking about some of them shield tank so bring EM drones? or somthing else?
He means use drones that deal the kind of damage your intended targets are most vulnerable to. Again though, after looking at your skills I think you will have more success in an Enyo right now than you would an Ishkur. With an Ishkur, your drones do most of your damage for you, but right now you lack the skills to support that style.
What level is your drone sharpshooting at ? Or Drone Durability, or Drone Navigation ?
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Yahfree
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Posted - 2006.06.02 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: xenodia
Originally by: Yahfree Ok this may seem like a NEWB question... But what do you mean by "Rat specific drones"? i'm going agenst guristas so What type of drones for me? are you talking about some of them shield tank so bring EM drones? or somthing else?
He means use drones that deal the kind of damage your intended targets are most vulnerable to. Again though, after looking at your skills I think you will have more success in an Enyo right now than you would an Ishkur. With an Ishkur, your drones do most of your damage for you, but right now you lack the skills to support that style.
What level is your drone sharpshooting at ? Or Drone Durability, or Drone Navigation ?
Umm err... 0? need to work on them drone skills later ... i see your point the ENYO will be much better for me.
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xenodia
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Posted - 2006.06.02 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Yahfree
I don't plan on going soon i know i'm not ready yet i'm still training for AF's so i won't be ready for some time, But it looks like to me what alot of you are saying is : Enyo for low drone skills and Ishkur for higher drone skills...
Yes, as a general rule. The "drone ships" (Ishkur, and later Ishtar) arent very good without drones and the skills to use them. Id not switch to Ishkur until you have at the very least trained Drone Interfacing to 3 or 4, Combat Drone Operation to 3 or 4, and gotten at least a couple levels in Drone navigation, drone durability, and drone sharpshooting. And youre going to eventually want Scout Drone operation trained up to 3 or 4 as well, because thats where you get your drone control range, which means you can start engaging that much sooner (or keep engaging if you get webbed and the target tries to run away, which does happen against some NPCs).
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Raptornas
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Posted - 2006.06.02 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Kunming For over a year I havent seen 1 Enyo in pvp, neither on the friendly nor on the enemy side.
Maybe cause its a blaster boat with 2 frikkin mids.
blasterboat?
yah ok it's thinking out of the box, but you're talking about Afrigs here, wich means a slow frig. Rails suit them better tbh.
Idd and that range bonus has blasters written all over it :P.
Enyo's with rails arn't bad but the ishkur is just miles ahead. It can deal more damage with decent drone skills, tank longer with the dual nos setup and has the 3rd med for damage.
And drones whilst ratting are very handy so I'd favour the ishkur over the enyo doing that aswell. __
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Yahfree
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Posted - 2006.06.02 18:17:00 -
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Ok so ENYO for me well thanks for all the help guys i am now Requesting this To get locked it has served its meaning
Well thanks again guys! back to more ENYO research!
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Kunming
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Posted - 2006.06.03 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Kunming For over a year I havent seen 1 Enyo in pvp, neither on the friendly nor on the enemy side.
Maybe cause its a blaster boat with 2 frikkin mids.
blasterboat?
yah ok it's thinking out of the box, but you're talking about Afrigs here, wich means a slow frig. Rails suit them better tbh.
Out of the box? I thought railguns were the weapon of caldari and blasters the weapon of gallente, atm a harpy is a better ship to fit blasters on.
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Xori Ruscuv
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Posted - 2006.06.03 00:47:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 03/06/2006 00:51:23
Originally by: Kunming Out of the box? I thought railguns were the weapon of caldari and blasters the weapon of gallente, atm a harpy is a better ship to fit blasters on.
LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where do people get this?
There exists a GALLENTE 425mm RAILGUN. The railgun is a HYBRID, for which Gallente get bonuses to on their ships. All that can be said is that Gallente are high damage short(er) distance fighters, and Caldari are long(er) distance fighters (can't really say lower damage fighters, given missiles ).
Even if Gallente were supposed to use blasters, who cares? What are you going to do with your blasters on your Enyo when you get webbed?
EDITED for calmness.
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Kunming
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Posted - 2006.06.03 02:42:00 -
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Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 03/06/2006 02:00:39
Originally by: Kunming Out of the box? I thought railguns were the weapon of caldari and blasters the weapon of gallente, atm a harpy is a better ship to fit blasters on.
LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where do people get this?
There exists a GALLENTE 425mm RAILGUN. The railgun is a HYBRID, for which Gallente get bonuses to on their ships. All that can be said is that Gallente are high damage short(er) distance fighters, and Caldari are long(er) distance fighters (can't really say lower damage fighters, given missiles ).
Even if Gallente were supposed to use blasters, who cares? What are you going to do with your blasters on your Enyo when you get webbed?
Linky: a picture you should look at
EDITED for calmness.
There is a Gallente Navy railgun so enyo must be a rail boat, your intelligence amazes me really.
(ignoring the dessy and BC class)
Merlin -> Moa Moa -> Caldri Tier 3 BS Merlin -> Harpy Moa -> Eagle
Incursus -> Thorax Thorax -> Megathron Incursus -> Enyo Thorax -> Deimos
Incursus is designed as a blasterboat (and its my favourite T1 frigate), while the merlin pilot can jump into a harpy and continue the rail-AF trend, the incursus pilot doesnt have the option for a t2 blaster-AF. Enyo needs a 3rd med slot and some changes.
Oh and you can take your anger and stick it up somewhere appropiate.
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Xori Ruscuv
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Posted - 2006.06.03 02:55:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 03/06/2006 03:04:13
Originally by: Kunming There is a Gallente Navy railgun so enyo must be a rail boat, your intelligence amazes me really.
You are the one who said that the railgun is a caldari weapon - see:
Originally by: Kunming I thought railguns were the weapon of caldari
So... tell me why shouldn't rails go on an Enyo? Because the Railgun is a Caldari weapon? Yeah, right!
Quote: (ignoring the dessy and BC class)
BC? You mean battlecruiser? The Brutix? You mean the one that has the 5% per level damage bonus? How does that mean rails?
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Incursus -> Enyo
Uh, except that the Enyo has a damge and range bonus. So why not put rails on it?
Quote: Incursus is designed as a blasterboat (and its my favourite T1 frigate),
So you must have known that.
Originally by: Kunming the incursus pilot doesnt have the option for a t2 blaster-AF. Enyo needs a 3rd med slot and some changes.
I'm not arguing there. I'm just saying that <I think> rails are better on an Enyo for versatility of range. Just because the Harpy is better at it doesn't mean that the Enyo shouldn't do it. I'm saying that it doesn't matter whether people thinkrails are a Caldari weapon or not (even though they are wrong). Rails work on an Enyo, so why not put them on the damn Enyo?
Quote: Oh and you can take your anger and stick it up somewhere appropiate.
I did. I stuck it this thread.
Railguns are a Gallente weapon. They are also a Caldari weapon. End of story.
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