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Doreen Kaundur 189	Posted - 2014.05.22 18:31:00 - [1] - Quote This always makes me laugh: You suggest or debate implementing a feature in EVE, and someone brings up how it "would be a waste of dev time." Or how so called "fluff" features are a "waste of dev time." Waste of dev time? Just how do you define such a statement? So if it doesn't cater to your little corner of this massive sandbox called EVE, it is a waste of dev time? Personally I feel that anything that adds to this space sim simulation is never a waste of dev time. Even CQ, with all it's redundant features and limited space adds to EVE's immersion. So what is a waste of dev's time? Hilmar having the dev team over to paint his house on company time, is a waste of dev time. Showing up all stinky and hungover at work at CCP after kegger, is a waste of dev time. Adding something nice to EVE ,however minor, is never a waste of dev time IMO. My .02isk Please support this minor color change idea.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 6442	Posted - 2014.05.22 18:34:00 - [2] - Quote Would you be happier with people saying "It's a low priority" or "There are better uses for development resources"?
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 10033	Posted - 2014.05.22 18:36:00 - [3] - Quote Or maybe "what you asked for is stupid." "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
Karen Avioras Unsung Heroes The Volition Cult 659	Posted - 2014.05.22 18:37:00 - [4] - Quote It's a waste of dev time when they have to lock redundant threads.
Paranoid Loyd 504	Posted - 2014.05.22 18:38:00 - [5] - Quote Yeah, most of the stuff you suggest is a waste of time. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite
admiral root Red Galaxy 1263	Posted - 2014.05.22 18:41:00 - [6] - Quote This is why hiding a user's posts should also protect us from seeing threads they start. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 5887	Posted - 2014.05.22 18:41:00 - [7] - Quote Karen Avioras wrote: It's a waste of dev time when they have to lock redundant threads. It's probably a good thing then that ISD are all volunteers. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Doreen Kaundur 190	Posted - 2014.05.22 18:42:00 - [8] - Quote Example: Look at something minor like the new lens flare coming up in the next expansion. Was there anything wrong with the old lens flare? No. Was it broken and needed fixing? No. Yet it took dev time to implement a new one. Was it a waste of dev time? NO!! Please support this minor color change idea.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 6531	Posted - 2014.05.22 18:43:00 - [9] - Quote Doreen Kaundur wrote: This always makes me laugh: You suggest or debate implementing a feature in EVE, and someone brings up how it "would be a waste of dev time." Or how so called "fluff" features are a "waste of dev time." Waste of dev time? Just how do you define such a statement? So if it doesn't cater to your little corner of this massive sandbox called EVE, it is a waste of dev time? Personally I feel that anything that adds to this space sim simulation is never a waste of dev time. Even CQ, with all it's redundant features and limited space adds to EVE's immersion. So what is a waste of dev's time? Hilmar having the dev team over to paint his house on company time, is a waste of dev time. Showing up all stinky and hungover at work at CCP after kegger, is a waste of dev time. Adding something nice to EVE ,however minor, is never a waste of dev time IMO. My .02isk lol, this is the same kind of naive thinking that caused CCP a whole bunch of problems and led to them having to "re-focus" on certain things after a certain explosion of anger + monument shooting and bad press. Every idea isn't a good idea, and sometimes Good ideas are actually impossible to implement, and even if you could, they are still subject to the same kinds of unintended consequences as bad ideas would be, The old saying that "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" is IMO true. The best way to progress is through careful examination and is based on need, not "i have a brilliant idea that is totally going to work well for all the people who own the 400,000 EVE accounts and could not possibly go wrong" lol.
Karen Avioras Unsung Heroes The Volition Cult 659	Posted - 2014.05.22 18:43:00 - [10] - Quote Doreen Kaundur wrote: Example: Look at something minor like the new lens flare coming up in the next expansion. Was there anything wrong with the old lens flare? No. Was it broken and needed fixing? No. Yet it took dev time to implement a new one. Was it a waste of dev time? NO!! Who said it was a waste of dev time? Sounds like a good idea.
Doreen Kaundur 190	Posted - 2014.05.22 18:45:00 - [11] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Doreen Kaundur wrote: This always makes me laugh: You suggest or debate implementing a feature in EVE, and someone brings up how it "would be a waste of dev time." Or how so called "fluff" features are a "waste of dev time." Waste of dev time? Just how do you define such a statement? So if it doesn't cater to your little corner of this massive sandbox called EVE, it is a waste of dev time? Personally I feel that anything that adds to this space sim simulation is never a waste of dev time. Even CQ, with all it's redundant features and limited space adds to EVE's immersion. So what is a waste of dev's time? Hilmar having the dev team over to paint his house on company time, is a waste of dev time. Showing up all stinky and hungover at work at CCP after kegger, is a waste of dev time. Adding something nice to EVE ,however minor, is never a waste of dev time IMO. My .02isk lol, this is the same kind of naive thinking that caused CCP a whole bunch of problems and led to them having to "re-focus" on certain things after a certain explosion of anger + monument shooting and bad press. Every idea isn't a good idea, and sometimes Good ideas are actually impossible to implement, and even if you could, they are still subject to the same kinds of unintended consequences as bad ideas would be, The old saying that "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" is IMO true. The best way to progress is through careful examination and is based on need, not "i have a brilliant idea that is totally going to work well for all the people who own the 400,000 EVE accounts and could not possibly go wrong" lol. Actually it was CCP's idea that "greed is good" that caused their problems. An unfinished, unpolished Incarna was icing for the cake. A fully functioning WIS would have been welcomed. Please support this minor color change idea.
Rowells Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans 655	Posted - 2014.05.22 18:48:00 - [12] - Quote Did someones idea get rejected? The forums can be mean sometimes...
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 6531	Posted - 2014.05.22 18:49:00 - [13] - Quote Doreen Kaundur wrote: Actually it was CCP's idea that "greed is good" that caused their problems. An unfinished, unpolished Incarna was icing for the cake. A fully functioning WIS would have been welcomed. That wooshing sound you just heard was the point flying over your head.
Doreen Kaundur 190	Posted - 2014.05.22 18:49:00 - [14] - Quote Rowells wrote: Did someones idea get rejected? The forums can be mean sometimes... Actually the forums are pretty entertaining. People here are sooo serious. Please support this minor color change idea.
Doreen Kaundur 190	Posted - 2014.05.22 18:51:00 - [15] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Doreen Kaundur wrote: Actually it was CCP's idea that "greed is good" that caused their problems. An unfinished, unpolished Incarna was icing for the cake. A fully functioning WIS would have been welcomed. That wooshing sound you just heard was the point flying over your head. I thought it was just you farting. BTW, why are you farting over my head? What's your ass doing up there? Please support this minor color change idea.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 333	Posted - 2014.05.22 18:54:00 - [16] - Quote People like to backseat drive, backseat FC and backseat develop the game that they're backseat playing on the forums.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 10036	Posted - 2014.05.22 18:54:00 - [17] - Quote Doreen Kaundur wrote: Example: Look at something minor like the new lens flare coming up in the next expansion. Was there anything wrong with the old lens flare? No. Was it broken and needed fixing? No. Yet it took dev time to implement a new one. Was it a waste of dev time? NO!! Yes let's have the art team work on server load balancing algorithms instead, they'll be much more productive. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
Doreen Kaundur 191	Posted - 2014.05.22 18:56:00 - [18] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Doreen Kaundur wrote: Example: Look at something minor like the new lens flare coming up in the next expansion. Was there anything wrong with the old lens flare? No. Was it broken and needed fixing? No. Yet it took dev time to implement a new one. Was it a waste of dev time? NO!! Yes let's have the art team work on server load balancing algorithms instead, they'll be much more productive. You need an "art team" for a lens flare? Please support this minor color change idea.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 13710	Posted - 2014.05.22 18:57:00 - [19] - Quote Anything that is considered a "fix" for AFK cloaking or highsec ganking would indeed be considered a waste of Dev time. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 10036	Posted - 2014.05.22 19:00:00 - [20] - Quote Doreen Kaundur wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: Doreen Kaundur wrote: Example: Look at something minor like the new lens flare coming up in the next expansion. Was there anything wrong with the old lens flare? No. Was it broken and needed fixing? No. Yet it took dev time to implement a new one. Was it a waste of dev time? NO!! Yes let's have the art team work on server load balancing algorithms instead, they'll be much more productive. You need an "art team" for a lens flare? There's not just one lens flare. They're not simple lens flares either. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 6479	Posted - 2014.05.22 19:04:00 - [21] - Quote "Waste of dev time" can mean a bunch of things. It can be used to tell someone their idea is stupid. It can be used to suggest that a feature, such as the new in space pop ups, would be better off if it never existed in the first place. And lastly it can be used to illustrate how something someone might think is a problem, really isn't. It's a very diverse and useful phrase. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
Marsha Mallow 667	Posted - 2014.05.22 19:07:00 - [22] - Quote If it's a little thing, add it to the little things request list. If it's something major and people point out the wider effects, there's probably no point going nuts over whatever wording they use to dismiss it. Remember, we aren't really allowed to screech "Shut up and go away, imbecile" in response to bad ideas. "Waste of Dev time" is a codephrase to cover all sorts of things, whenever you whip it out there's a chance of a hilarious meltdown from someone :P TO THE RIPARDMOBILE!
DaReaper Net 7 The Last Brigade 530	Posted - 2014.05.22 19:29:00 - [23] - Quote The thing that's bothers me about the 'waste of devs time' statement is when things are done or worked on by ccp, and some consider it a waste of time, and then they go 'duh why did you add xxx?!?! fix pos!!!!!!!' Some people do come up with really stupid ideas. "Oh man... it would be great if you could like.. oh idk.. smash my ship into a roid, which causes me to mine the roid... yea we can make a new ship class called a asteroid smasher... oh.. TO THE FORUMS!!!!" Most people don't follow idea's through to there logical conclusion, which is why they tend to suck. However, if the devs change something, no matter how small, people don't seem to grasp a few things 1) eve is 11 years old, written in single threaded code 2) every little change is actually a big one. why? because they can take small parts, that are written to use single threaded code, and rework it to use multi threads. 3) each small piece fixed, or modified or changed, that is not a database change (i.e. ship armor froing from 1000 to 2000 hp is a database change) uncouples a piece of old code that then free up more old code to fix. I rarely consider anything a waste of time, unless its NEVER used. The ESS, which I hardly see anywhere, I would consider not a very good idea or use of resources. But it think ti will have a bigger role to play later, so still holding judgment. The point is, nothing is a time waster, I'd rather have devs working on something, anything, then sitting with there twiddling there thumbs with nothing to do. My $45 a month (3 accounts) help pays for them to do work. As long as they are working, i'm happy. 10 years of eve... yea i'm an addict
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 646	Posted - 2014.05.22 20:01:00 - [24] - Quote Maybe you should try suggesting fewer terrible ideas? My .02 isk.
E-2C Hawkeye State War Academy Caldari State 631	Posted - 2014.05.22 20:09:00 - [25] - Quote Doreen Kaundur wrote: This always makes me laugh: You suggest or debate implementing a feature in EVE, and someone brings up how it "would be a waste of dev time." Or how so called "fluff" features are a "waste of dev time." Waste of dev time? Just how do you define such a statement? So if it doesn't cater to your little corner of this massive sandbox called EVE, it is a waste of dev time? Personally I feel that anything that adds to this space sim simulation is never a waste of dev time. Even CQ, with all it's redundant features and limited space adds to EVE's immersion. So what is a waste of dev's time? Hilmar having the dev team over to paint his house on company time, is a waste of dev time. Showing up all stinky and hungover at work at CCP after kegger, is a waste of dev time. Adding something nice to EVE ,however minor, is never a waste of dev time IMO. My .02isk Waste of Dev time could be defined as working on a feature...oh lets say like....W.I.S. that cause's a massive drops of subs to the point it almost bankrupts the company. Is that the type of waste of Dev time you were looking for or maybe over looked?
Grimpak Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance. 1525	Posted - 2014.05.22 20:13:00 - [26] - Quote OP is pretty much a waste of dev time. I sooo didn't want to go there. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img] [quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
March rabbit Federal Defense Union 1484	Posted - 2014.05.22 20:15:00 - [27] - Quote on a serious note: "waste of Devs time" coming from anyone except these Devs manager doesn't worth attention. The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
E-2C Hawkeye State War Academy Caldari State 631	Posted - 2014.05.22 20:17:00 - [28] - Quote Why dont people find a game they like to play instead of trying to force an already failed feature that brings zero value to my game?
DaReaper Net 7 The Last Brigade 531	Posted - 2014.05.22 20:21:00 - [29] - Quote E-2C Hawkeye wrote: Doreen Kaundur wrote: This always makes me laugh: You suggest or debate implementing a feature in EVE, and someone brings up how it "would be a waste of dev time." Or how so called "fluff" features are a "waste of dev time." Waste of dev time? Just how do you define such a statement? So if it doesn't cater to your little corner of this massive sandbox called EVE, it is a waste of dev time? Personally I feel that anything that adds to this space sim simulation is never a waste of dev time. Even CQ, with all it's redundant features and limited space adds to EVE's immersion. So what is a waste of dev's time? Hilmar having the dev team over to paint his house on company time, is a waste of dev time. Showing up all stinky and hungover at work at CCP after kegger, is a waste of dev time. Adding something nice to EVE ,however minor, is never a waste of dev time IMO. My .02isk Waste of Dev time could be defined as working on a feature...oh lets say like....W.I.S. that cause's a massive drops of subs to the point it almost bankrupts the company. Is that the type of waste of Dev time you were looking for or maybe over looked? Accept it was not incarana that caused the riots, it was the P2W crap that was coming in the nex store and the high prices of stuff. Incarnana being buggy was just the cherry on top. But the riots happened a few weeks after incarnana, once the new letter was leaked, iirc. People seem to forget that part, that the issue was not WiS but the ideas coming form ccp that caused people to bounce. IF WiS had not had the leak after, there would of been annoyance, but I doubt you would of had the backlash, at the same time, if the leak happened way before or months after WiS came out, you would of not had the backlash. The issues was you had a 1, 2 punch from CCP, an already irritated playerbase then just got slapped in the face. 10 years of eve... yea i'm an addict
Sibyyl Brave Collective 1143	Posted - 2014.05.22 20:25:00 - [30] - Quote I think that many of us really like EVE and are invested in it. We also understand that CCP is a small company, and development resources are always pretty tight. The players want to telegraph to CCP what they want to see: "Hey, this game is about spaceships.. please keep making nice spaceships" or "I'd love to play poker with my corpmates in a holodeck". When you're talking about needs, there are many mouths and always less food than needed to go around. So it makes sense that when people argue why certain features (that they prefer) take precedence over others, they also throw in "hey, that's not really a good use of CCP's resources".. It's kind of like fantasy football. We like to fantasize what the next expansion is about, and guys like Fozzie are our star players.

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