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Xenuria
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Posted - 2014.05.23 03:04:00 -
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This year at fanfest a CCP dev said that when the plex market was peaking, he took it upon himself to artificially modify the game economy. I have a few questions about this.
1. If a player has enough in-game currency to buy all the plex on the Jita market, if that player within their right to do so?
2. If the same player puts all this plex into a cargo container and then blows up said container, has this player violated any rules?
3. Should any of the above listed events occur what safety measures are in place to prevent CCP from counter acting this large scale change in the market? CSM 9 Candidate Philanthropist Polymath Savant Hero |
Xenuria
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Posted - 2014.05.23 03:17:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:1. Yes 2. No 3. What measures have you taken in case aliens abduct you in the night?
This is a legitimate question because its been proven that CCP has directly influenced the market artificially. As gross and inappropriate as it is, it is a reality. CSM 9 Candidate Philanthropist Polymath Savant Hero |
Xenuria
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Posted - 2014.05.23 19:22:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Xenuria wrote:This is a legitimate question because its been proven that CCP has directly influenced the market artificially. As gross and inappropriate as it is, it is a reality. How are CCP supposed to operate without influencing the market? Everything they do affects the market in some way.
I always figured that the idea or at least the goal was to have a market run by and for players. With the reality that CCP CAN and WILL intervene to prevent economic collapse, it is no longer a player market then is it?
It's another concept that sounds nice expect for the above mention caveats.
Even if the item in question is not PLEX, there is still a very real possibility that CCP would intervene if that item caused enough problems. This is an upsetting and problematic concept for me because I want to think that players earn and loss isk of their own merit of failure.
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Xenuria
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Posted - 2014.05.23 19:25:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Xenuria wrote:I always figured that the idea or at least the goal was to have a market run by and for players. With the reality that CCP CAN and WILL intervene to prevent economic collapse, it is no longer a player market then is it? Yes it is. One does not exclude the other.
I disagree, they are in fact mutually exclusive.
A player controlled market cannot be such if there are back doors for CCP to artificially change things. The potential for abuse is not only really high but readily demonstrable. CSM 9 Candidate Philanthropist Polymath Savant Hero |
Xenuria
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Posted - 2014.05.24 03:07:00 -
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mynnna wrote:The PLEX market has been bought out in its entirety before in the past. They were back to the original prices within a week. Xenuria wrote:Tippia wrote:Xenuria wrote:I always figured that the idea or at least the goal was to have a market run by and for players. With the reality that CCP CAN and WILL intervene to prevent economic collapse, it is no longer a player market then is it? Yes it is. One does not exclude the other. I disagree, they are in fact mutually exclusive. A player controlled market cannot be such if there are back doors for CCP to artificially change things. The potential for abuse is not only really high but readily demonstrable. This faux outrage in what is no doubt an attempt to bolster your name for your CSM run next year is amusing, but also pretty silly. CCP "artificially changes things" any time they change anything in a patch that affects something a player might buy, sell, or farm for money, which is pretty much every major patch. Are you going to get outraged that CCP continues to develop the game next?
Tell me more about how I was creeping on you this fanfest, despite me not even being in Iceland. I don't need to bolster my name for CSM next year. So long as people like you keep seeing my face in their morning slice of bread, I will have all the advertising I could ever need.
Stay Classy~ CSM 9 Candidate Philanthropist Polymath Savant Hero |
Xenuria
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Posted - 2014.05.24 03:58:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Well, upon realizing the tweet I'd seen earlier in fanfest with the guy's picture that claimed it was you was, in fact, erroneous, the dude turned out to be pretty chill. Thanks for asking!
So as you claim it was a image from twitter following you around during the pub crawl. Fascinating... This is another reason why we needed net neutrality, now images and tweets can just wander about in the real world as they please. It's a travesty I tell you.
Either way I think my "purist" mentality is classing with the practicality of running a real economy inside a giant skinner box. That being said, where is the line?
Where does CCP say "ok this isn't something we need to get involved in" verses "OHGOD OHGOD SEED SEEEEEEED"?
Tippia wrote:Xenuria wrote:I don't need to bolster my name for CSM next year. This is true. Just not in the way you are hoping for. Your spectacular lack of insight intoGǪ wellGǪ everything EVE related, really, rather makes any such bolstering pointless and needless. Have you at least figured out if 20 is more or less than 50 yet?
Were you saying something about Guardian Vexor fits? Oh, right. You are talking about insight into how eve works. CSM 9 Candidate Philanthropist Polymath Savant Hero |
Xenuria
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Posted - 2014.05.24 04:11:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Xenuria wrote:Where does CCP say "ok this isn't something we need to get involved in" verses "OHGOD OHGOD SEED SEEEEEEED"? Wherever they want, should they ever seed anything. But since we're talking about PLEX here, seeing isn't really a concern. Quote:Were you saying something about Guardian Vexor fits? Oh, right. You are talking about insight into how eve works. So have you learned which is larger out of 20 and 50? The rest of the problems you were having with how EVE works were just a continuation of this problem of yoursGǪ
I think the only way I could possibly respond to this jarring and unrelenting assault on my skill as an eve player is to post an image response.
http://i.imgur.com/PVLTW0A.jpg
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Xenuria
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Posted - 2014.05.24 14:15:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Xenuria wrote:Abrazzar wrote:1. Yes 2. No 3. What measures have you taken in case aliens abduct you in the night? This is a legitimate question because its been proven that CCP has directly influenced the market artificially. As gross and inappropriate as it is, it is a reality. Governments all over the world "regulate" economies vis a vis direct and indirect influence. If we had a single pure capitalistic market economy in the world with no regulation, poverty would become the new natural selection and you'd see some scary economic trends..... it would make the cruelty of Eve seem like Hello Kitty Online.
You are correct. The problem is the sandbox ideology, artificial market manipulation and CCP's profit motive have a potential to all crash into each other. Even if it never happens it still taints in concept of a pure sandbox in my opinion. I am not known for my practical views on anything. I am known for my integrity and my Rorschach-esk abolitionism when it comes to truth. My views on this may be so far divorced from any practical reality but that isn't relevant.
This is a discussion not a mediation. CSM 9 Candidate Philanthropist Polymath Savant Hero |
Xenuria
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Posted - 2014.05.24 19:20:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Xenuria wrote:The problem is the sandbox ideology, artificial market manipulation and CCP's profit motive have a potential to all crash into each other. How so? They pretty much all pull in the same direction. Quote:I am known for my integrity and my Rorschach-esk abolitionism when it comes to truth. My views on this may be so far divorced from any practical reality but that isn't relevant. No, and no. Your views are commonly far divorced from any reality, which is what makes them pretty much irrelevant.
Careful Tippia, if you project any more Samsung might show up at your door to buy you out. CSM 9 Candidate Philanthropist Polymath Savant Hero |
Xenuria
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Posted - 2014.05.25 06:27:00 -
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It is true that I want a red skirt that actually fits however I do not see what if anything that has to do with EvE Online Economy.
If there is even the smallest chance that CCP would intervene at all to prevent the market from crashing then it flies in the face of "the sandbox". That's all I am saying. CSM 9 Candidate Philanthropist Polymath Savant Hero |
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Xenuria
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Posted - 2014.05.25 18:04:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:Xenuria wrote:
If there is even the smallest chance that CCP would intervene at all to prevent the market from crashing then it flies in the face of "the sandbox". That's all I am saying.
So for the purity of the sand you would watch it all burn until it was a plane of glass. Well, in this I disagree. m
"The Fate of Destruction Is Also The Joy Of Rebirth"
A true sandbox means that even after it becomes a plane of glass, it is still within the ability and choice of players to build something new. I don't desire destruction, I desire freedom. CSM 9 Candidate Philanthropist Polymath Savant Hero |
Xenuria
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Posted - 2014.05.25 18:25:00 -
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Dirk MacGirk wrote:Xenuria wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:Xenuria wrote:
If there is even the smallest chance that CCP would intervene at all to prevent the market from crashing then it flies in the face of "the sandbox". That's all I am saying.
So for the purity of the sand you would watch it all burn until it was a plane of glass. Well, in this I disagree. m "The Fate of Destruction Is Also The Joy Of Rebirth" A true sandbox means that even after it becomes a plane of glass, it is still within the ability and choice of players to build something new. I don't desire destruction, I desire freedom. You people (yeah you) who just can't seem to grasp the concept of a sandbox. It's not a place in which you can do anything you want. You can only do what you want within the confines the owner of the sandbox allows. Further, it doesn't imply the owner of the sandbox won't make changes to the sand or the box or that they won't act to keep sandbox dwellers from doing things that hurt the long-term viability of the sandbox. Quit thinking this is some open world without constraints. CCP has been quite clear about how and when they will intervene in terms of PLEX. They have done so on a very limited basis. To make an issue of it only proves a lack of understanding of both their stated goals as well as the environment in which you think you are playing in.
Who is that you think owns the sandbox? CSM 9 Candidate Philanthropist Polymath Savant Hero |
Xenuria
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Posted - 2014.05.25 18:58:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:Oh I love the question 'who owns the sandbox'
It often comes from the same sort of person who tells me that they 'pay my salary' because I am a public employee and so I should do whatever it is they wish.
Easily answered. If CCP decides to shut the doors tomorrow, could we stop them? No?
If we walk away from the game, all of us. Could they leave the servers running anyways? They probably wouldn't but the choice would always be theirs, it is their box, we play in it and pay for the privelege.
We play in their sandbox, they get to say where the edges are. What toys we can bring into the box and what we are allowed to take out of it. I am amazed how much freedom the Eve Market has, how little they actually interfere.
m
Nice False Dichotomy. It's clear to me that you don't really understand the subject matter and have elected to imitate others with the same ignorance.
The entire EvE sandbox is the result of a relationship between players and CCP. Should you remove either of these two things the sandbox ceases to exist.
Should somebody like me ever attempt to crash the plex market or anything of the sort, 1 of 2 things will happen.
1. CCP will intervene and it will be unavoidably obvious, resulting in mass exodus of players from the game.
2. The market will become very strange and even if it did completely fall apart, the simple fact is EvE will be better for it. A new market will be born in under 48 hrs. As I said before, a true sandbox experience with emergent game-play unlike anything else. CSM 9 Candidate Philanthropist Polymath Savant Hero |
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