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XMaxan The Legion of X 6	Posted - 2014.05.23 10:13:00 - [1] - Quote I want to see a battleship that either can deploy more drones per BS level or gets a role bonus to fitting Drone Control Units. Would be nice to see the Gallente getting something a little special over the other races in terms of drones.
Corraidhin Farsaidh Hello-There 491	Posted - 2014.05.23 10:49:00 - [2] - Quote Wouldn't this simply make all other drone boats obsolete?
XMaxan The Legion of X 6	Posted - 2014.05.23 10:53:00 - [3] - Quote Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: Wouldn't this simply make all other drone boats obsolete? Well using the Drone Control Unit method would take away from high slot weapons, so they lose weapon DPS in exchange for Drone DPS. Currently Missile/Gun battleships can stack weapon upgrades and rigs all to the same weapon system and get decent DPS increases, whereas current drone boats get a portion of the DPS from weapons(though significantly less than drone DPS). Buffing your weapons on a Drone boat leads to very little increase, and drone damage modules get less efficient return than other Battleships get form weapon damage modules. I simply would like to see more drones over weapon slots.
Celthric Kanerian Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation 0	Posted - 2014.05.23 10:58:00 - [4] - Quote Heard of the Dominix?
Loraine Gess Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists 327	Posted - 2014.05.23 11:02:00 - [5] - Quote XMaxan wrote: Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: Wouldn't this simply make all other drone boats obsolete? Well using the Drone Control Unit method would take away from high slot weapons, so they lose weapon DPS in exchange for Drone DPS. Currently Missile/Gun battleships can stack weapon upgrades and rigs all to the same weapon system and get decent DPS increases, whereas current drone boats get a portion of the DPS from weapons(though significantly less than drone DPS). Buffing your weapons on a Drone boat leads to very little increase, and drone damage modules get less efficient return than other Battleships get form weapon damage modules. I simply would like to see more drones over weapon slots. Why? What purpose does this serve?
Tim Ryder Flippin DaBird Corporation 2 22	Posted - 2014.05.23 11:10:00 - [6] - Quote Loraine Gess wrote: XMaxan wrote: Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: Wouldn't this simply make all other drone boats obsolete? Well using the Drone Control Unit method would take away from high slot weapons, so they lose weapon DPS in exchange for Drone DPS. Currently Missile/Gun battleships can stack weapon upgrades and rigs all to the same weapon system and get decent DPS increases, whereas current drone boats get a portion of the DPS from weapons(though significantly less than drone DPS). Buffing your weapons on a Drone boat leads to very little increase, and drone damage modules get less efficient return than other Battleships get form weapon damage modules. I simply would like to see more drones over weapon slots. Why? What purpose does this serve? Well, lets make a list: Machariel for projectiles Vindicator for hybrids Nightmare for lasers There are two glaring omissions in that list, namely missiles and drones masterpieces. The Rattlesnake tries to be both, but without good missile and drone skills it will suffer after Kronos. And even then, its a mix, not a pure drone or missile boat. So the purpose should be blindingly obvious.
Corraidhin Farsaidh Hello-There 491	Posted - 2014.05.23 11:20:00 - [7] - Quote You missed 'Dominix for drones' from that list or ishtar for a cruiser variant of drone boat
XMaxan The Legion of X 6	Posted - 2014.05.23 11:29:00 - [8] - Quote Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: You missed 'Dominix for drones' from that list or ishtar for a cruiser variant of drone boat Dominix has six turrets and can get good DPS due to its turrets. Now strip them and watch it fall short. Idea is to have a ship that uses drones for DPS and either has limited or no other weapon systems, like a miniature carrier.
XMaxan The Legion of X 6	Posted - 2014.05.23 11:33:00 - [9] - Quote If I am not mistaken drones are taking a DPS hit in next update anyway so the Dominix will be even farther behind. I would also like to point out that there is another battleship with drone bonuses mirroring the Dominix in the Amarr arsenal. I would like to see a Gallente battleship that uses drones as a primary weapon system and does more than the other races with them.
w3ak3stl1nk Hedion University Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2014.05.23 11:34:00 - [10] - Quote You talking about guardian vexor
XMaxan The Legion of X 6	Posted - 2014.05.23 11:36:00 - [11] - Quote w3ak3stl1nk wrote: You talking about guardian vexor Essentially but not limited edition and in the battleship family as if any ship could have the resources for more drones it would be the larger ones.
Corraidhin Farsaidh Hello-There 492	Posted - 2014.05.23 11:37:00 - [12] - Quote XMaxan wrote: Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: You missed 'Dominix for drones' from that list or ishtar for a cruiser variant of drone boat Dominix has six turrets and can get good DPS due to its turrets. Now strip them and watch it fall short. Idea is to have a ship that uses drones for DPS and either has limited or no other weapon systems, like a miniature carrier. I don't know the fit but do remember aguy who I used to be in a corp with ditched all turrets on his domi for drone boosting mods as they were far more effective on a sentry domi. I also believe it is fairly common to fit neuts ot remote armour reps on the turret slots of a drone boat to stop enemy reps, fix drones etc. The turrets become fairly irrelevant on a drone boat with high drone skills
Tim Ryder Flippin DaBird Corporation 2 22	Posted - 2014.05.23 11:41:00 - [13] - Quote Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: You missed 'Dominix for drones' from that list or ishtar for a cruiser variant of drone boat Hm, weird. You guys seem to have some simple facts wrong. Neither Dominix nor Ishtar is a pirate BS. OK?
Gregor Parud 537	Posted - 2014.05.23 11:42:00 - [14] - Quote No, ~1500 dps at 50km from a BS using sentries is hilarious nonsense, and anyone even bringing it up or even defending it obviously lacks any sort of decent reasoning or understanding of balance.
Harvey James The Sengoku Legacy 819	Posted - 2014.05.23 11:48:00 - [15] - Quote what i wouldn't mind seeing is basically a mini carrier .. a slightly tankier chunkier battleship hull that uses fighters.. maybe a new gallente navy battleship .. it sacrifices multiple slots too retain a battleship mass and extra armour and hull plating. Gallente Battleship Bonus: 5km drone control range per level 5% bonus to Drone optimal range and tracking speed per level Role bonus: uses fighters only Slot layout: 4H, 4M, 7L; 2 turrets, 0 launchers Fittings: 10000 PWG, 710 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 9000 / 18000 / 20000 Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 5350(+38) / 1154000ms / 4.59 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 74 / .140 / 13530000 / 25s ish would make sense Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 375 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 85km / 80 / 7 Sensor strength: 35 Signature radius: 750 Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic. Nerf web strength ..... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please.
Corraidhin Farsaidh Hello-There 492	Posted - 2014.05.23 11:53:00 - [16] - Quote Tim Ryder wrote: Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: You missed 'Dominix for drones' from that list or ishtar for a cruiser variant of drone boat Hm, weird. You guys seem to have some simple facts wrong. Neither Dominix nor Ishtar is a pirate BS. OK? OP didn't mention pirate ships...just BS ( I threw ishtar in as another option). I have a friend who loves his gila as a missile/drone cross for another cruiser option
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1581	Posted - 2014.05.23 13:10:00 - [17] - Quote Tim Ryder wrote: Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: You missed 'Dominix for drones' from that list or ishtar for a cruiser variant of drone boat Hm, weird. You guys seem to have some simple facts wrong. Neither Dominix nor Ishtar is a pirate BS. OK? Pirate battleships dont have to cover everything ever. we have bloods for neut damage, does that mean we need ECM pirates too? no. its a dumb idea to make ships for the sake of making ships. They barely fit the mordus in without making them look overpowered. the Domi and ishtar are as good as drone boats are going to get for a while. Perhaps when theres another round of powercreep. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Delhaven Vicis Inter Astrum I'd Rather Be Roaming 46	Posted - 2014.05.23 14:18:00 - [18] - Quote XMaxan wrote: Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: You missed 'Dominix for drones' from that list or ishtar for a cruiser variant of drone boat Dominix has six turrets and can get good DPS due to its turrets. Now strip them and watch it fall short. Idea is to have a ship that uses drones for DPS and either has limited or no other weapon systems, like a miniature carrier. You can put guns on a Dominix? Huh. I've always had much better uses for the high slots.
Bronson Hughes 11	Posted - 2014.05.23 14:28:00 - [19] - Quote Delhaven wrote: You can put guns on a Dominix? Huh. I've always had much better uses for the high slots. RR/NN Domi is my favorite Domi. (For PvP at least) This is even more true after they lost their bonus to hybrid damage.
Delhaven Vicis Inter Astrum I'd Rather Be Roaming 46	Posted - 2014.05.23 14:44:00 - [20] - Quote As fun as something like that would be, CCP already dislikes drones because they make the servers unhappy. So increasing the number of them is not something they'd be interested in.
Cassandra Aurilien Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 143	Posted - 2014.05.23 14:51:00 - [21] - Quote Delhaven wrote: As fun as something like that would be, CCP already dislikes drones because they make the servers unhappy. So increasing the number of them is not something they'd be interested in. This. And Gallente ships used to have bonuses to number of drones deployable, I believe. They removed them years ago. The Guardian-Vexor is the only remaining ship to use the old bonuses, as far as I'm aware.
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 668	Posted - 2014.05.23 16:21:00 - [22] - Quote Tim Ryder wrote: Well, lets make a list: Machariel for projectiles Vindicator for hybrids Nightmare for lasers Rattlesnake for drones Barghest for missiles Fixed your list for you.
Lucien Visteen Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 136	Posted - 2014.05.23 16:54:00 - [23] - Quote ======================================================================================== WORM Gallente Frigate Bonus: 10% bonus to kinetic and thermal missile damage (was 5m3 Drone Bay Capacity per level) Caldari Frigate Bonus: 4% bonus to all shield resistances Role Bonus: 300% bonus to light combat drone damage and hitpoints (was 50% bonus to Rocket and Light Missile velocity) Slot layout: 3H, 4M, 3L; 0 turrets, 3 launchers Fittings: 40 PWG(+5), 180 CPU(+20) Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 830(+33) / 500(-82) / 620(-3) Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 380(+30) / 212000 (-22375) / 1.79 (+.29) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 320(+33) / 3.8(+.31) / 965000 / 5.17s(+.42) Drones (bandwidth / bay): 10(-15) / 25 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 30km / 650 / 5 Sensor strength: 15 Signature radius: 40 ======================================================================================== GILA Gallente Cruiser Bonus: 10% bonus to kinetic and thermal missile damage (was 10% drone damage and hitpoints) Caldari Cruiser Bonus: 4% bonus to all shield resistances Role Bonus: 500% bonus to medium drone damage and hitpoints (was 50% bonus to Light Missile and Rocket max velocity) Slot layout: 5H, 6M, 4L; 0 turrets, 4 launchers(+1) Fittings: 670 PWG(+40), 400 CPU(+50) Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 3200(+12) / 2200(-125) / 2490 Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 1400(+25) / 530000 (-1250) / 2.85 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 195(+31) / .66 / 9600000 / 8.78s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 20(-105) / 100(-300) Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 58km (+3km) / 285 / 7 Sensor strength: 22 Signature radius: 145(-5) Cargo Hold: 440 ======================================================================================== RATTLESNAKE Gallente Battleship Bonus: 10% bonus to kinetic and thermal missile damage (was 10% drone damage and hitpoints) Caldari Battleship Bonus: 4% bonus to all shield resistances Role Bonus: 275% bonus to heavy and sentry drone damage and hitpoints (was 50% bonus to Cruise missile and Torpedo max velocity) Slot layout: 6H, 7M, 6L; 0 turrets, 5 launchers(+1) Fittings: 10000 PWG, 710 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 12750 / 8940(-358) / 9960 Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 5350(+38) / 1154000ms / 4.59 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 94 / .128 / 99300000 / 18.45s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(-75) / 175(-225) Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 75km / 100 / 7 Sensor strength: 30 Signature radius: 450(-10) ======================================================================================== There is your drone boats. They are live on sisi now, and are really fun to play with. A rattlesnake with a gecko is deadly, atleast against npc's The ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't.
XMaxan The Legion of X 6	Posted - 2014.05.23 16:56:00 - [24] - Quote Cassandra Aurilien wrote: Delhaven wrote: As fun as something like that would be, CCP already dislikes drones because they make the servers unhappy. So increasing the number of them is not something they'd be interested in. This. And Gallente ships used to have bonuses to number of drones deployable, I believe. They removed them years ago. The Guardian-Vexor is the only remaining ship to use the old bonuses, as far as I'm aware. I was afraid of this.
Barton Breau University of Caille Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2014.05.23 19:53:00 - [25] - Quote SurrenderMonkey wrote: Tim Ryder wrote: Well, lets make a list: Machariel for projectiles Vindicator for hybrids Nightmare for lasers Rattlesnake for drones Barghest for missiles Fixed your list for you. That you dont even realize that you didnt makes it sad and hilarious at the same time.
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy 608	Posted - 2014.05.23 19:58:00 - [26] - Quote more drones is not too powerful.. used to be you could deploy more.. but they were limited to 5 not because many drones weren't nicer.. but because CCP was worried about performance issues with large fleets. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á- [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]
XMaxan The Legion of X 6	Posted - 2014.05.23 20:06:00 - [27] - Quote I have an answer to the performance issue...... SuperCarrier/Carrier. I find it unlikely that large fleets of better drone boats will become commonplace if they have near the same DPS as current drone boats do.
Barton Breau University of Caille Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2014.05.23 20:12:00 - [28] - Quote XMaxan wrote: I have an answer to the performance issue...... SuperCarrier/Carrier. I find it unlikely that large fleets of better drone boats will become commonplace if they have near the same DPS as current drone boats do. I do think significantly more people fly a domi than a carrier, especially in highsec. What is so "cool" about 10 drones? Why not rather argue about increasing damage and hp bonus?
Harvey James The Sengoku Legacy 821	Posted - 2014.05.23 20:47:00 - [29] - Quote Harvey James wrote: what i wouldn't mind seeing is basically a mini carrier .. a slightly tankier chunkier battleship hull that uses fighters.. maybe a new gallente navy battleship .. it sacrifices multiple slots too retain a battleship like mass and for the fighter launch runway and extended dronebay Gallente Carrier Battleship Bonus: 5km drone control range per level 5% bonus to Drone optimal range and tracking speed per level Role bonus: uses fighters only Can deploy 2 additional Fighters Slot layout: 3H, 4M, 7L; 0 turrets, 0 launchers Fittings: 9000 PWG, 620 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 8500 / 15000 / 26000 Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 5350 / 1154000ms / 4.59 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 80 / .140 / 16530000 / 30s ish would make sense Drones (bandwidth / bay): 175 / 70000 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 85km / 80 / 7 Sensor strength: 35 Signature radius: 850 or perhaps a new class of ship in between carrier and battleship ... carrier battleship ... Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic. Nerf web strength ..... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please.
XMaxan The Legion of X 6	Posted - 2014.05.23 23:52:00 - [30] - Quote Barton Breau wrote: XMaxan wrote: I have an answer to the performance issue...... SuperCarrier/Carrier. I find it unlikely that large fleets of better drone boats will become commonplace if they have near the same DPS as current drone boats do. I do think significantly more people fly a domi than a carrier, especially in highsec. What is so "cool" about 10 drones? Why not rather argue about increasing damage and hp bonus? I feel that as long as the Amarr tote the same bonus that the Gallente are not shining in their role of "Drone Masters"

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