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Datsevlu	Posted - 2003.09.24 14:02:00 - [1] 1. We did not get our Miner 2 BP's given to us they were purchased from OEC and Golden one. Everyone had the same chances to purchase these they were for sale for a fair amount of time everyone who had the money had the same chance to recieve them. 2. We did not ask to be in the news nor are we shown and favors by CCP. Those who are saying that we do are lying to gain support. We started out small just like everyone else in the game simple small 6 member corp. 3. We are not upset that the news was posted it was an unbiased view we agree. We are just upset that it seems that we are now being singled out by some other corps that I will not name here that think we are some Huge corp that being favored by CCP. And I can assure that we are not. And little to most know when we purchased these we were still less then 50 members in our corp and half of those members at that time were alts for research and production. -- Datsevlu Blow'em up we'll build more. Techell's ingame site
Lucas De'Thal	Posted - 2003.09.24 14:13:00 - [2] maybe if you had done 831 mega for 3 miner 2, you wouldn't have had such a backlash. ______________________________________________ Hellmar > sorry for the attitude, playing a n00b character through the current state just left me a bit bitter dev chat: Mar 18, 2004 hellmar> "you lot are just so clever you have a good history for out smarting us :-S " dev chat: Feb 12, 2004
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.24 14:14:00 - [3] Datsevlu, funny thing about spotlights is they're often used to point out targets I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
EagleFour	Posted - 2003.09.24 14:15:00 - [4] Edited by: EagleFour on 24/09/2003 14:17:28 Edited by: EagleFour on 24/09/2003 14:15:21 Oh you can name the corporations, care to explain with 6 members initially how you got 1.5 billion isk in the 3 months the game was live to pay for the miner II bpc's? Also to add while paying for corp equipment and nescessities on top of that... JOBS - Got Moin?
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.24 14:19:00 - [5] Quote: Edited by: EagleFour on 24/09/2003 14:17:28 Edited by: EagleFour on 24/09/2003 14:15:21 Oh you can name the corporations, care to explain with 6 members initially how you got 1.5 billion isk in the 3 months the game was live to pay for the miner II bpc's? Also to add while paying for corp equipment and nescessities on top of that... They play the game, actively recruit talented people, don't waste their time with idle banter like you and I. ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
Runefinger	Posted - 2003.09.24 14:19:00 - [6] erm getting that much money is not that hard of you got dedicated hardcore players
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.09.24 14:20:00 - [7] Quote: Edited by: EagleFour on 24/09/2003 14:17:28 Edited by: EagleFour on 24/09/2003 14:15:21 Oh you can name the corporations, care to explain with 6 members initially how you got 1.5 billion isk in the 3 months the game was live to pay for the miner II bpc's? Also to add while paying for corp equipment and nescessities on top of that... If I was them Id tell you to go take aflying jump... I wouldn't explain how I got over a billion on my own in 3 months anymore than I'd expect Techell to do the same, other than, perhaps, by saying "Through hard work"
Pirindolo	Posted - 2003.09.24 14:21:00 - [8] Do you know who is behind "Golden One"? I know!!!!!! I wonder how big his fortune wil be.
EagleFour	Posted - 2003.09.24 14:23:00 - [9] Edited by: EagleFour on 24/09/2003 14:28:40 lol i have 2 comps going 24/7 nearly since i got laid off, i have been here since just a bit after release. the way i see it is they would have had to make 177million and change a day from the start, factoring in that initially they probably couldnt do this in frigates, and skill training time it leaves a lot of questions. i factored that over 93 days which it was about 3 months after game start the Mii's came out... this was cash they had to spend and still have corporate assetts. JOBS - Got Moin?
j0sephine	Posted - 2003.09.24 14:23:00 - [10] "If I was them Id tell you to go take aflying jump... I wouldn't explain how I got over a billion on my own in 3 months anymore than I'd expect Techell to do the same, other than, perhaps, by saying "Through hard work"" ... They actually did explain that in prety detailed manner before iirc. Will not provide the link, whoever is interested in finding out, the least they can do is to browse these pages back themselves. :s
Datsevlu	Posted - 2003.09.24 14:25:00 - [11] hard work playing 16 hours a day getting little sleep. We made all our money clean and fair in the manufaturing market period. We were one of the first in the Battleship market (not the first but close) we had all the Battle ship BP's before we purchased the Miner 2's. And if you would spend less time posting on the boards crying like a baby about these things, and put in as much time as I did in the begining of this game you might have as much money and equipment. -- Datsevlu Blow'em up we'll build more. Techell's ingame site
Athule Snanm	Posted - 2003.09.24 14:26:00 - [12] If you're that way inclined making money isn't terribly hard. I remember when I first did some robotics runs whilst everyone else was bad mouthing trading - I went from about 50K to 20M in a day or so, this is from before I joined my current corp. Even when I flat out told people exactly how to make money this way people continued to say things like 'but I've checked the prices in one region, I don't want to spend all day scouting routes', blah-de-blah, etc. Of course most trading is pretty much off the menu now thanks to region-buy-order market griefers. The same thing has happened with other sources of income since - there are plenty of ways to make money, you just need to chase them down and take some risks every now and then. _______________________________ Doomheim - EVE's only hygiene!
Amin	Posted - 2003.09.24 14:27:00 - [13] Eaglefour, thats not what he said, and from what i know all that Datsevlu has stated is true. I remember seeing them selling virtually every ship in the game when they had around thirty members, to me that shows a great hardworking corp. My collegue bought a Dominix off them and i almost got an Apoc from Techell. Also, if u member when the miner 2 hit the eve Golden One was selling a BPc of miner 2 in trade channel for ever 1Bil Isk, so its reasonable o assume that corps that had the money purchased it. As many people predicted profits of upto 300mil a day if sold at 5mil a piece. Im sure any corp that had the money would have loved to get thier hands on the bpc. They are one of the success story's of eve and something that all small/medium corps strive to be. My views on the news article are different however, but that doest mean i suddenly start to hate Techell... Drink StarsiÖ Relation Co-ordinator Caldari State Citizen ------------------------------------------------------------------------
EagleFour	Posted - 2003.09.24 14:30:00 - [14] Ok you morons kill me stop with the posting /playing ****, im sitting here with three computers. 2 accounts are mining right now and im posting on forums.. So frack off. JOBS - Got Moin?
The Wretch	Posted - 2003.09.24 14:33:00 - [15] Edited by: The Wretch on 24/09/2003 14:39:25 I can't believe you guys even posted a reply to the small minority of people envious over your aquisition of the miner II bps. Like anyone is going to attempt to disrupt the most reliable and best over all ship pricing manufacture in the game. It would hurt a lot more ppl then just Techell and cause great rage to those ppl . Edit: eagle I make 100-125 million isk on a modest weeks work to just personal income - this does not even include corporate sale profits. My corp has 4 active players and you could not even begin to imagine the money we make as a corp per week. The Wretch Cyberdyne Systems CEO
StealthNet	Posted - 2003.09.24 14:45:00 - [16] Quote: Edited by: EagleFour on 24/09/2003 14:17:28 Edited by: EagleFour on 24/09/2003 14:15:21 Oh you can name the corporations, care to explain with 6 members initially how you got 1.5 billion isk in the 3 months the game was live to pay for the miner II bpc's? Also to add while paying for corp equipment and nescessities on top of that... Sorry to disappoint you, but it is perfectly possible. Not only possible, but in fact, easy. Not for a single player, but for any corp with dedicated players. _______________________________________________
StealthNet	Posted - 2003.09.24 14:48:00 - [17] Quote: Edited by: EagleFour on 24/09/2003 14:28:40 lol i have 2 comps going 24/7 nearly since i got laid off, i have been here since just a bit after release. the way i see it is they would have had to make 177million and change a day from the start, factoring in that initially they probably couldnt do this in frigates, and skill training time it leaves a lot of questions. i factored that over 93 days which it was about 3 months after game start the Mii's came out... this was cash they had to spend and still have corporate assetts. Hmmm... maybe... you are incompetent. Just fyi, hunting in deep space used to give 20 million a DAY, not long ago. It is not that easy to make money nowadays, but you are comparing your revenue to a corp's revenue. _______________________________________________
Rising Sin	Posted - 2003.09.24 14:58:00 - [18] I know Techell was/might still be one of the most popular Battleship producers in the game due to their variety and low prices. This could easily allow them to turn the minerals they mined into more than their worth. Eagle: before posting, try thinking. -- "If they're shooting at you, you know you must be doing something right."
Datsevlu	Posted - 2003.09.24 15:01:00 - [19] EagleFour Part of your problem is that you are just mining then. We spent the first week mining and then we started purchasing minerals from day 2 to supliment our manufacturing. We still mined until we could buy enough mineral to do all of our manufacturing. Then spent all our time from that point buying minerals and manufaturing and selling ships and equipment. And we were in the frigate market in the begining and were one of the first in the cruiser market and were one of the first to get the thorax BP and instead of producing a bunch we made copies but did not sell them we had 4 active factory slots producing thorax's 24/7 and sold a ton of them before the cruiser market dropped out and this got us into the BS market. And that is the short version. -- Datsevlu Blow'em up we'll build more. Techell's ingame site
Jorev	Posted - 2003.09.24 15:30:00 - [20] Quote: 1. We did not get our Miner 2 BP's given to us they were purchased from OEC and Golden one. Everyone had the same chances to purchase these they were for sale for a fair amount of time everyone who had the money had the same chance to recieve them. 2. We did not ask to be in the news nor are we shown and favors by CCP. Those who are saying that we do are lying to gain support. We started out small just like everyone else in the game simple small 6 member corp. 3. We are not upset that the news was posted it was an unbiased view we agree. We are just upset that it seems that we are now being singled out by some other corps that I will not name here that think we are some Huge corp that being favored by CCP. And I can assure that we are not. And little to most know when we purchased these we were still less then 50 members in our corp and half of those members at that time were alts for research and production. Surely you have some insight on how those companies you bought the bpcs from, obtained them in the first place. Please share that information with us. Mining Bistot and other higher quality ores in 1.0 space was one of the ways Techell and Taggart etc. were able to get a fast jump start into manufacturing. I don't blame them, I blame CCP for not properly testing and balancing their game prior to release. Nerfing rare ores in 1.0 space and Harvester drops from convoys, benefited those who had access prior, and created an imbalance in this game which has grown exponentially thru manufacturing investment of those early gains.
Gigi Ana	Posted - 2003.09.24 15:31:00 - [21] If it helps any, Datsevlu, remember this: While whiny people may make a lot of noise, satisfied customers are usually silent. I, and most logical people, realize that when demand far exceeds supply prices become exhorbitant. This is evidenced by the fact that some of your less scrupulous customers buy from you and then resell at twice the price (successfully). Certainly Techell Corp is not responsible for the prices charged by these profiteers. Keep up the good work! Disclaimer: I am in no way affiliated with Techell or any of its members. ~Gigi~
Datsevlu	Posted - 2003.09.24 15:35:00 - [22] Just a reply to the bistot mining comment. No we did not by the way. We did not ninja mine as it was refered to back then. Sorry was to busy selling ships to ninja mine I just bought the mins that the ninja miners mined. And thanks for the respose all. -- Datsevlu Blow'em up we'll build more. Techell's ingame site
Caillech	Posted - 2003.09.24 15:38:00 - [23] i cant belive why people are so hung up in Miner2s ...they are overrated and when it comes to more rare ores its not much better than miner1 :o -------- Caillech Director of Sexual Healing 2003.08.22 16:18:53 ----- Your 1200mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Small Secure Container, wrecking for 1102.9 damage
darth solo	Posted - 2003.09.24 16:18:00 - [24] Quote: Edited by: EagleFour on 24/09/2003 14:28:40 lol i have 2 comps going 24/7 nearly since i got laid off, i have been here since just a bit after release. the way i see it is they would have had to make 177million and change a day from the start, factoring in that initially they probably couldnt do this in frigates, and skill training time it leaves a lot of questions. i factored that over 93 days which it was about 3 months after game start the Mii's came out... this was cash they had to spend and still have corporate assetts. That worries me a little bit, maybe this game has become a little too serious for some.
Dee Light	Posted - 2003.09.24 16:27:00 - [25] Quote: That worries me a little bit, maybe this game has become a little too serious for some. One hell of an accurate observation. There is work, and there is relaxation ... when your relaxation begins to resemble work ... there is a problem.
Archain	Posted - 2003.09.24 16:28:00 - [26] Techell Corp keep doing what you are doing. If it wasn't you doing it it'd be someone else. You are doing what I would have done in your situation and you're playing it smart. If someone is unwilling to pay your price, they should just settle for the next best thing. Space Invaders Movie Library - [SPVD]
Black Lotus	Posted - 2003.09.24 16:43:00 - [27] Quote: i cant belive why people are so hung up in Miner2s ...they are overrated and when it comes to more rare ores its not much better than miner1 :o umm.... actually its a HUGE diff with bistot (the 2nd rarest ore). miner 1 with my skills (mining 4, astroleogy3) gives me 3bistot\min. Miner2 on the other hand with those skill gives me 5bistot\min, thats almost double.. lol instead of making 60mill a night i make 100mill. but i guess ur right, they are overrated, even tho they paid for themselves, and then some in one night.
Judicator	Posted - 2003.09.24 16:45:00 - [28] Jealousy is a nasty thing. I wonder how rich some people would be if they spent as much time and energy earning ISK as they do moaning on the boards? -------------------------
Jorev	Posted - 2003.09.24 16:59:00 - [29] Quote: While whiny people may make a lot of noise, satisfied customers are usually silent. Self explanatory. According to the Retailers trade association however, most unhappy customers never voice their complaints, they just stop doing business with the merchant they are unhappy with. I am sure that is true with EVE and online games also, so multiply the amount of people who take the time to complain on these forums, and you can imagine how many are leaving the game.
Technology Slave	Posted - 2003.09.24 17:02:00 - [30] Quote: If someone is unwilling to pay your price, they should just settle for the next best thing. Pay higher prices cause they are the lowest...ROFL!

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