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Kel 'dra
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Posted - 2003.09.24 15:20:00 -
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Here are some little known facts about Techell as some stated by datsevlu earlier in another thread.
1.) We are not rich because of the Miner II blueprints that we purchased. We already have all the battleships in the game long before there Miner II BP's where introduced into the game.
2.) We have two miner II blueprints.
- One Purchased from O.E.C.
- One Purchased from golden one
3.) We are not the only corporation that has Miner II blueprints, however we are the only corporation that does not horde them to our self's like other corps.
4.) We sold Miner II's for 2.5 Million isk for well over a month limiting the number that people could buy to 10 per customer. This was a effort to try and spread the wealth. Before we came into the miner II market there was NO ONE selling less them 5.5 Mil each.
5.) Our new program that has caused such a stink was initially base on the following figures:
7500 per Megacyte x 1000 = 7.5mil
3 miner II x 2.5mil = 7.5 mil
The program got delayed a week, because we need to finish the current waiting list. (Ended 9/22)
Now when we reopened the market to this program the price of megacyte has gone up some. We have raised our buying price to 8000isk per.
8000 per Megacyte x 1000 = 8mil
3 miner II x 2.5 mil = 7.5 mil
This made a 500k increase in cost of miner II, as claimed by some people.
This really means that we are now asking for 2666.66 per Miner II
Now some of you will argue that the average price on the market is 10000 per megacyte.
10000 per megacyte x 1000 = 10mil
3 miner II x 2.5 mil = 7.5 mil
This is a difference of 2.5 mil
This makes a 2.5 mil increase in cost of the miner II, from us.
This really means that we are now asking for 3333.33 per Miner II (NOTE: Average price on the trade channel is 4 mil.)
We are still below average trade channel cost. It is not our fault that all the other corporations are not selling there's openly and are hording them to themselves.
As we realize that there is a increase in price of megacyte will offer the following change in our program.
We will offer at the rate that we purchase at. (And I don't want to hear how that is unfair and it is impossible to get at that price. We bought 120k megacyte yesterday at that price therefore we will offer at that rate.)
Also we will add another mineral "Zydrine" at 1200 per. (Limit 12500 zydrine or 6 Mienr II per customer)
Here is the new deal. Like it or love it.
938 Megacyte for 3 Miner II's
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313 Megacyte for 1 Miner II
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6250 Zydrine for 3 Miner II's (Limit 12500 zydrine max per customer)
or
2083 Zydrine for 1 Miner II
6.) We are a peaceful corp and always have been, and will continue to do so in the future.
7.) We also offer every battleship in the game at a reasonable price come to "Techell" channel and check out what we are really about. "Ship Production"
Thanks for your time in this matter, and we do listen and we do care, and strive to be fair.
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cball
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Posted - 2003.09.24 15:30:00 -
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Oil baron - "ok so the other oil companies won't sell oil to keep the prices high, so lets do it too..."
another oil baron - "yes i agree, we can gouge for inflated profits as long as we have the source monopolized, if the masses don't like it, they can sod off..."
third oil baron - "...and we can claim it is due to the cost of the drilling, ya, that would work, we blame the cost of drilling and the unions to make US look like a victom...the idiots will fall for it, they always do..."
...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
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Thanatar Thed
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Posted - 2003.09.24 15:31:00 -
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Don't know about the rest of you but I've stopped caring.
Seems to me that Techell are using this to grab there fifteen minuted of fame.
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Iece Quaan
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Posted - 2003.09.24 15:32:00 -
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Excellent. The megacyte numbers are still slightly skewed, but nowhere near the former increase.
Plus, the zydrine numbers are spot-on.
Well done, Kel'dra.
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Ashton Black
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Posted - 2003.09.24 15:33:00 -
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Nice response to the critics... I see the flames that have risen from this whole situation at best unfair and at worst malicious. I know that Techell has NEVER done anything that is not just part of the game.
Keep up the good work...
and.. Stav for GOD.!! (joke I have been podded by m0o and it sux)
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Karash Amerius
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Posted - 2003.09.24 15:35:00 -
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What is the deal on the news report and any reprocussions? Was someone 'fired' because of it?
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.24 15:39:00 -
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We are not rich because of the Miner II blueprints that we purchased.
Yah, you're filthy stinking unbelievably rich because of it.
Translation of post: You still get screwed, just a little bit less.
Veruna Caseti
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Anara Valencia
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Posted - 2003.09.24 15:41:00 -
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Edited by: Anara Valencia on 24/09/2003 15:42:41
You know it is really sad when you have the reporter who escalated this whole incident saying that the new one is "spot-on".
How about you just leave the topic alone and let it cool off.
Veruna,
I agree with your post.
-Anara
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.24 15:45:00 -
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As always Techell, nicely played... This is why they are rich and you others have ***** envy.
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.24 15:47:00 -
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This is still such a joke.
Go to work mining our minerals for us - so not only do we get millions in rare minerals for something that costs us thousands in common minerals to produce - but now YOU do all the work.
On top of that we're supposed to swallow that this is a "good deal" - whatever.
As for your battleships - of course they're reasonably priced! Considering you trade an item that takes you 40k of common minerals to produce for 2M+ in rare minerals its pretty easy to produce those battleships isn't it?
Veruna Caseti
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.24 15:49:00 -
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This is still such a joke.
Go to work mining our minerals for us - so not only do we get millions in rare minerals for something that costs us thousands in common minerals to produce - but now YOU do all the work.
On top of that we're supposed to swallow that this is a "good deal" - whatever.
As for your battleships - of course they're reasonably priced! Considering you trade an item that takes you 40k of common minerals to produce for 2M+ in rare minerals its pretty easy to produce those battleships isn't it?
Is this unethical?
Is that your argument?
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.09.24 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: Jarjar on 24/09/2003 15:50:49
Heh, as I see it, the price is now about 2.1 million per miner. That's half the price you will find them for elsewhere, so what are you whining about?
Edit: Veruna, if you're so eager to get them (I doubt it, you're just complaining anyway like everyone else), you can actually *buy* the minerals. Usually at NPC price +/- 30 isk.
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Karash Amerius
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Posted - 2003.09.24 16:05:00 -
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You're never going to make everyone happy. We learned this a long time ago.
I believe the saying goes..."Have to break a few eggs to make an..."
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.24 16:07:00 -
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Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 24/09/2003 16:08:47
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Is this unethical?
Is that your argument?
No, just hilarious. They are putting you to work doing their mining, in exchange for millions in rare minerals they give you an item that costs them thousands in common minerals.
Then they use the rare minerals to produce battleships, which they then sell BACK to you again at a profit - essentially selling you a battleship they built with the minerals you mined for them.
What part of this sounds like a "good deal" to you?
Listen, I'm not attacking Techell (except perhaps to laugh at their suggestion that they are doing us a favor with this deal). I think my corporation and most would attempt to take advantage of the situation in the same ways. What I'm against is the affect this amassing of wealth could have on the future of EVE. EVE runs on a PLAYER driven economy, and right now Techell is making more with a single item than most every other corporation in the game can make with combat, production, mining and trade combined.
It's cool that Techell has taken advantage of the situation - and they're smart for doing it, but what's it mean for the future? When new technology comes into the game - more Tech II, Elite Frigates, Player Stations, Titans... who is going to have the minerals and ISK to afford them en masse? My guess is not a lot of people - hence the problem will worsen.
It seems like a "small problem" that we should just "let it go" at this point. But it has the potential to have lasting effects on the economy and the GAME as a whole. And a Game that's already suffering from a slow player loss doesn't need any large problems throwing off the CENTRAL game component - the player run economy. In the end the word is 'imbalance.' If there were other items that were making a similar profit in the game, or other copies of the blueprint, or ANYTHING that compared to the sheer marketing value of the Miner II BPs it would not be the problem that it is - but there aren't, and so it is.
Veruna Caseti
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Kel 'dra
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Posted - 2003.09.24 16:08:00 -
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Quote:
You're never going to make everyone happy. We learned this a long time ago.
I believe the saying goes..."Have to break a few eggs to make an..."
I am not trying to make everyone happy. I am trying to be reasonable. And it is unreasonable for us to charge less then we pay for it then. That is why we changed not due to whiners.
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Karash Amerius
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Posted - 2003.09.24 16:16:00 -
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Hey, I say sell them as high as the market will bear.
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Thalon
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Posted - 2003.09.24 16:17:00 -
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u guys shouldn't discuss Techell politics
its all about CCP's actions regardin to this matter.
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Aleena TheGhost
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Posted - 2003.09.24 16:18:00 -
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lol, I'm trying to be reasonable.
I'm selling an item that costs roughly 40K of Isk in materials for the low, low price of 2.1 to 3.5M Isk.
Why don't you just ask people to bend over, grab their knees and hang on.
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Data Loss
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Posted - 2003.09.24 16:34:00 -
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ok a word to you Techell
GREEDY OINK OINK's
oops thats three words. i guess one word alone isnt enough to describe you people.
you say you are being fair? yeah right then why was it so easy to change your offer, because you know that no matter how you do it you LOSE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
you guys make me sick to my stomach, always trying to 'mask' your greediness with 'awsome' deals or programs. YOUR full of it. yes you know what your full of.
why dont you guys grow some morally correct feelings.
i dont talk about those other people selling for less cause they dont go around trying to hide behind someone that sells for more. they sell at that price but dont say, oh they sell it for more so this is a good price.
WHATEVER
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2003.09.24 16:42:00 -
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lol, I'm trying to be reasonable.
I'm selling an item that costs roughly 40K of Isk in materials for the low, low price of 2.1 to 3.5M Isk.
Why don't you just ask people to bend over, grab their knees and hang on.
By this logic rat farmers should be selling Cu Vapors for free if they use Tachyons, or for the price of the ammo it took to kill that particular cruiser rat? Suuuuuure. Tell you what, I'll give you 50 rounds of L Phased plasma for a quad Lif MWD. Or 10 Widowmakers for a LiF booster. Wanna trade?
On another note, I don't know why you bothered Kel'dra. If I was Techell I wouldn't have changed a damn thing about the Mega for Miners program. Those people who have a hate on for Techell, or won't listen to the frequently posted explanations for the current state of affairs, aren't going to be swayed by an un-neccessary price reduction. The rest of us accept it the way it is, and will either mine Bist or paying the people who do and then turn around and selling your product at an inflated rate on Trade channel.
Why aren't you people flaming the couple of corps that have Miner II BPCs and REFUSE to sell to anyone outside their organizations? At least Techell isn't playing dogs in mangers. If those corps were producing 24/7 like Techell and selling, even at trade channel prices, we'd all be happier. Techell doesn't have a BPC monopoly, they're just the only ones selling the manufactured product ATM.
BW
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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Data Loss
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Posted - 2003.09.24 16:49:00 -
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they changed it to "seem" less greedy, but it didnt work, they are still greedy
and for your information, i give so much shyt away its not funny
and lately ive been helping out newbies with free ships and free miner 2's
and if i find cu vapors ill prolly be giving them away as well to newbies.
greed sucks.
greed is NOT cool, no matter what the news say.
GREED is for losers.
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Lucas De'Thal
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Posted - 2003.09.24 16:54:00 -
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i do belive Veruna has the bigger picture correct here.
but seems like it's beyond the scope of most players to realize the problem she is talking about.
i for one, see the big picture. thx.
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Ayako
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Posted - 2003.09.24 17:02:00 -
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Nice work Techell
I'm totally with you guys on this one. I wonder why people are freaking out on you so much...you paid insane isk for those BPs and you need Mega and Zyd to build your BS. So if people want the Miner2 they can just come and trade with you...I fail to see what's wrong with that. It's not like anybody is forced to buy Miner2. It's a smart solution...you hold a prized item and need something in return so you barter for it...
Heck, Techell is offering the cheapest prices on the market!! Some might claim that it is overpriced and that it is worth only 40k but look at it, as long as people are willing to pay, you're entitled to make them pay for it! What's 2M or 3M for a miner? a few hours of mining at most! Please just leave it be as I am sure any corp worth their salt would have done the exact same thing! (Or charge even more for it!)
I do have a question for Techell though : Is the program a huge success? Can I just drop in to trade or am I very unlikely to get some miner2 right now?
Eve-mail me or reply here if possible :)
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Fortrock
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Posted - 2003.09.24 17:02:00 -
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Just my 0.02 isk on this topic:
it's not Techells fault, it is CCPs.
The way, the miner2 was introduced by them was simply stupid, luckily techell made the best of it - other's would have been much greedier.
Give out one (or a few) unlimited miner2 BPs was the WORST, CCP could do, because it provides an enormous vantage to the one getting it - and this in this early state of the game!
Imho, 10-run limited BP copyies spread out into the whole galaxy (e.g. as loot even in 0.8 space) would have lead to a working supply and demand based market where noone get's a x billion ISK benefit, noone will ever be able to catch up with 
So don't blame techell for what they're doing, most would do much worse, blame CCP for their stupity.
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Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.09.24 17:02:00 -
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Hi, nobody is forcing you to do business with Techell. If you're not happy with their prices or deals, then just go back to the market channel and buy miner2's for 4mil and sell your mega for 10k.
ok?
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Dominik
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Posted - 2003.09.24 17:06:00 -
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why dont you guys grow some morally correct feelings.
Since when do morals have ANYTHING to do with business in a universe that expects you to kill your competitors for profit?
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Kel 'dra
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Posted - 2003.09.24 17:07:00 -
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Nice work Techell
I'm totally with you guys on this one. I wonder why people are freaking out on you so much...you paid insane isk for those BPs and you need Mega and Zyd to build your BS. So if people want the Miner2 they can just come and trade with you...I fail to see what's wrong with that. It's not like anybody is forced to buy Miner2. It's a smart solution...you hold a prized item and need something in return so you barter for it...
Heck, Techell is offering the cheapest prices on the market!! Some might claim that it is overpriced and that it is worth only 40k but look at it, as long as people are willing to pay, you're entitled to make them pay for it! What's 2M or 3M for a miner? a few hours of mining at most! Please just leave it be as I am sure any corp worth their salt would have done the exact same thing! (Or charge even more for it!)
I do have a question for Techell though : Is the program a huge success? Can I just drop in to trade or am I very unlikely to get some miner2 right now?
Eve-mail me or reply here if possible :)
In response to your question, Yes we traded 200 Miner II's within a hour yesterday. Each day there will be 80 more available and it is a first come first served basis. So if you don't get it to day then stop by tomarrow or the next day.
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SavX
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Posted - 2003.09.24 17:39:00 -
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If you haven't already noticed.. Techell is to isk, what Microsoft is to real money..
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Ezra
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Posted - 2003.09.24 18:03:00 -
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Edited by: Ezra on 24/09/2003 18:04:52
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If you haven't already noticed.. Techell is to isk, what Microsoft is to real money..
Not even close in your comparison.
Selling an item at half market value is NOT a microsoft tactic.
Techell could charge double what they do now. BUT THEY DON'T.
And everyone harps on the 40k mineral cost of the Miner II. What about the BP cost? The last price quote I saw for a Miner II BP (which was from O.E.C. about 2 weeks before they sold to Techell) was 1.5 BILLION ISK. And they bought *two* copies.
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Posted - 2003.09.24 18:08:00 -
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my god you whiners are so pathetic. If it pains you so much to see what techell corp is doing, then declare war and fight em! You're like wussies that will shout and curse someone in their car on the freeway but dont have the guts to get out of the car and back it up.
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