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Xhieron
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Posted - 2006.06.03 13:22:00 -
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A little curiosity before work here:
To all of the self-respecting pirates out there, if you went after a mark and he got the best of you--and then ransomed you for the price you would normally ask for your ship, would you pay?
I ask because I've been thinking about ransoming a lot lately. It's always a hot topic here, and probably the vast and overwhelming majority of my non-corp friends are pirates. I'll admit I've pirated before, and anti-pirated, but in general I take no one side over the other. I think of things more in "shades of gray." For myself though, unless I believe a ransom is overwhelmingly cheap, I cannot say I would pay one. And the decision doesn't even get made on an economic level. Obviously under most circumstances, any pirate whose worth anything will ransom at an amount that is cheaper to pay than to replace the ship's mods and insurance gap.
I don't fit stabs either. I fit to fight (even when I'm mining I put a scrambler on), and if I lose a fight, I've lost. The mechanics of the game are already set up to handle that. I see ransoming as a kind of griefing--and I don't mean that in a derogatory manner. I've done it myself (it's a lot of fun, I admit  ), and it's a perfectly legitimate practice. My friends do it; more power to them. But I see not paying more as a manner of re-griefing than as a matter of pride or money (After all, if I'm flying it, I can afford to replace it). I.e., if I'm going to lose my ship, then I'm going to make it as hard on you to turn a profit on me as possible. If you engage me, then you get to roll the dice to see if the handful of modules that I have that are worth anything get dropped instead of annihilated.
But my personal view is moot here, and the arguments to that end have been done. That horse is beginning to stink now, so put the clubs away. What I want to know is, for the pirates--and tell the truth here--would you pay a ransom if one of your targets got the best of you? Nevermind if you're flying a T1 frig here; suppose you're flying your ship of choice, whatever it is. Would you pay the ransom?
I think there's more that goes into a single ransom incident than money or even pride, and I'm curious how everyone (even the poor dolt in his Velator who wandered out to 0.3 and got nuked) thinks about things when things are reversed.
Thanks for the feedback.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.06.03 13:25:00 -
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I'd never pay a ransom.
I'm a rich bugger and I can always buy a new ship. I've never seen dignity for salw on the market though
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.06.03 13:30:00 -
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yes, if I feel its reasonable and trustworthy I pay my own ransom. I wouldnt do it if I didnt like the guy and/or I didnt care atm. But heck, if someone actually ever would ransom and its all what I said above, I pay.
But to an anti-pirate? hmm to many times I heard they dont honor anything to pirates (some of em) cause one is a pirate. Then again if they would ransom then I atleast can say to the guy, YOU ARE PIRATE!!! 
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duffmantt
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Posted - 2006.06.03 13:39:00 -
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would you pay?
If paying the ransom was better economically than dying to him, then yes i would pay it.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.03 13:41:00 -
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Yes, if I honestly believed the ransomer would honor it. In my experience, anti-pirates are much less honorable in these stakes than pirates ever will be. Maybe its because its not their living.
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Deathhawk
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Posted - 2006.06.03 13:56:00 -
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the amount of time it takes me to get a new ship...bloody right i would 
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mazzilliu
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Posted - 2006.06.03 13:59:00 -
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usually im better off letting the insurance pay up.
if that wasn't the case, i would pay unless the randsomer was known not to honor them
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Verone
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Posted - 2006.06.03 14:06:00 -
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This has happened to me once, I was flying an enyo and went up aganist an eagle...
I didn't pay because the intended victim asked me for 50 million, and to be honest I probably would have paid for the fun of it, if the price had been a bit lower.
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Psycarne
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Posted - 2006.06.03 14:30:00 -
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Would I hell 
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Lojik
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Posted - 2006.06.03 15:15:00 -
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i never fight in anything i cant afford to loose so good luck getting a ransom out of me 
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Izo Azlion
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Posted - 2006.06.03 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Psycarne
Would I hell
Its people like you that I dont get. "Would I hell." with no reason or explanation.
The way i see it, if its a fair ransom, i'll pay it to save the hassle of getting a new ship and modules. Closed minded up their own arse folk who say "Never!" deserve to be popped. If you honestly dont care about your ship or pod, thats fine, but sayin it like its a bad thing, to pay a ransom, is just rediculous.
I pay my ransoms. Although I dont really pirate any more... ASCN :/ Hehe.
Izo Azlion.
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Shere
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Posted - 2006.06.03 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Yes, if I honestly believed the ransomer would honor it. In my experience, anti-pirates are much less honorable in these stakes than pirates ever will be. Maybe its because its not their living.
Precisely. They see you as the "dirty pirate who needs to die" the only reason they would ransom you is to get a laugh and pop you anyway. If I were caught by a potential target of mine, I might though.
But then again, I don't fly things I can't lose and I only ransom people who ask for it really. 
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Quebber
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Posted - 2006.06.03 16:11:00 -
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in a word....
no
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Bentguru
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Posted - 2006.06.03 16:31:00 -
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If the other guy was being cool and mature about it, I would.
If he's being a moron, I'd go down with the ship.
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odin323
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Posted - 2006.06.03 16:42:00 -
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i'm not a pirate yet, but i want to.
after reading all your guy's replies. i would say that to be respectful i would. cause i mean, i though i could take this guy and he just comes out ad destroyes me. thats my messup. dude should get something.
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.06.03 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Izo Azlion
Originally by: Psycarne
Would I hell
Its people like you that I dont get. "Would I hell." with no reason or explanation.
The way i see it, if its a fair ransom, i'll pay it to save the hassle of getting a new ship and modules. Closed minded up their own arse folk who say "Never!" deserve to be popped. If you honestly dont care about your ship or pod, thats fine, but sayin it like its a bad thing, to pay a ransom, is just rediculous.
I pay my ransoms. Although I dont really pirate any more... ASCN :/ Hehe.
If you knew who his main was you'd understand.
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Gen Kumon
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Posted - 2006.06.03 17:03:00 -
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I have before, and I would in the future...as long as it's antoher actual pirate, and not an anti-pirate. I've been burned too many times by anti-pirates who think that pirates are second-class players, and because of that, they can do whatever dishonorable thing they want and not have it count.
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.06.03 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Gen Kumon
I have before, and I would in the future...as long as it's antoher actual pirate, and not an anti-pirate. I've been burned too many times by anti-pirates who think that pirates are second-class players, and because of that, they can do whatever dishonorable thing they want and not have it count.
Well in a role playing sense wouldn't you agree that thats a good thing?
As far as I'm concerned you're all Captain Morgan and I'm the British Navy!
Die ebil pirate scum!!
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tiller
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Posted - 2006.06.03 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
I've never seen dignity for salw on the market though
lmao, rly ?.... I sold mine for 10isk a year back.
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Psycarne
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Posted - 2006.06.03 18:44:00 -
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Closed minded up their own arse folk who say "Never!" deserve to be popped
Why would someone who is role playing an intransigent murderer be mug enough to pay a ransom? I ransom people, but I don't take it for granted that they have to pay, it is their decision. There is a role play aspect to the game you know. I would sooner lose an uninsured titan than pay a ransom.
And yeah, as Welsh implied, IÆve been pirate hunting since 2003 on my other account so it would go against the grain. I would rather lose more and come back later to kill the people who tried to ransom me. Pirate killer first, pirate second.
And I was just answering the OP with objectivity. Not everyone is going to respond in the same way.
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Nazzerin
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Posted - 2006.06.03 18:53:00 -
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I live by the sword and i die by the sword.
I will NEVER pay a ransom, i will go down with a fight and take out as many i can before i die. I live for the fight, and they day i put myselfe in a situation were i can't handle it i will die with my dignity intact.
Long live the fighters
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Bosie
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Posted - 2006.06.03 18:58:00 -
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As soon as I buy a ship/mod I write them off as lost, so I don't think I would. If and when it happens I will see.
Bosie.
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which means more to me than any other.
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Nazzerin
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Posted - 2006.06.03 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Izo Azlion
Originally by: Psycarne
Would I hell
Its people like you that I dont get. "Would I hell." with no reason or explanation.
The way i see it, if its a fair ransom, i'll pay it to save the hassle of getting a new ship and modules. Closed minded up their own arse folk who say "Never!" deserve to be popped. If you honestly dont care about your ship or pod, thats fine, but sayin it like its a bad thing, to pay a ransom, is just rediculous.
I pay my ransoms. Although I dont really pirate any more... ASCN :/ Hehe.
And yes ure in carebear ASCN now stfu and go and mine some veld..
Back to topic again, and as i just said.
NEVER no way in hell. I fight untill i die, and i die with a smile on my face knowing that ill get my revenge on day
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Golden Helmet
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Posted - 2006.06.03 19:09:00 -
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i've only paid a ransom once, and thats cuz my pod was in high sec. i havent paid a single ransom since, and i never will
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Yarrmageddon
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Posted - 2006.06.03 19:37:00 -
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Today I jumped into a gatecamp consisting of a couple of battleships with my tiny little Rax.
I was about to ask for ransom before I became visible.
Luckily, they were engaging someone else before invisibility wore off and I could insta out.
But generally, yeah. Pirating is business and if I lose less money by paying, I would.
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Lady Ariness
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Posted - 2006.06.03 19:48:00 -
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I got offered a ransom for my Brutix once when I kept losing connection when these two pirates had attacked me. I decided not to pay and fought my way out (started with 10% hull).
If someone offered me a ransom I probably wouldn't accept unless it made financial sense to me, which means it wouldn't make finanacial sense to them (I lose about 3-4m per ship)
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ZuN3
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Posted - 2006.06.03 20:00:00 -
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I would. As long as I think they'll actually honour it.
Simply because I hate losing ships, I don't have stockpiles of them, and it's ******* annoying (especially as a -10) to buy and fit a new ship).
No, I do not have a haler alt.
Yes, I have friends with hauler alts who buy things for me, but still. It's annoying not having a ship for that amount of time.
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Shot Callista
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Posted - 2006.06.03 20:07:00 -
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Yes if i'm flying a t2 ship and the amount is reasonable, purely because of the amount I can lose on insurance. No if I'm in t1, I never fly anything I can't replace already (And that means not relying on insurance payouts)
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.06.03 21:13:00 -
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deffinatly. I'm very lazy so hate getting new ships.
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Nazzerin
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Posted - 2006.06.03 22:35:00 -
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Live by the sword, die by the sword...
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GLi7ch
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Posted - 2006.06.04 00:40:00 -
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thats a hard one ,if i stil hav ammo and hit points im not gonna jsu lay down and die cuz u never know how much ammo/ cap ur enemy has left
but the only thing i would pay on is my ship seeing as how i dont put isk into implants im likely to lose anyway (solo frig pirate) so losing my pod is jus a free trip home
so i suppose if i were empty on ammo and was held down and all tha moons of saturn are aligned to tru north and yata yata yata i woudl pay
but waht are tha chances of all taht happening
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.04 00:50:00 -
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Anti pirates have no honor. Those that do wouldn't even ask you for a ransom.
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kublai
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Posted - 2006.06.04 02:39:00 -
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I'd pay a ransom to another pirate if I was flying anything worth it, an anti pirate thou? no way i'm taking your word for ****.
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Soren
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Posted - 2006.06.04 04:49:00 -
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There's been times when I knew I was dead and offered isk to stay alive (it's such a PITA to get/fit a new ship, esp when I was outlaw), they usually just killed me.
I don't care about losses anymore and wouldn't pay ransoms unless it was well worth it for me.
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Silthis Marna
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Posted - 2006.06.04 06:12:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Anti pirates have no honor. Those that do wouldn't even ask you for a ransom.
Blah.
If you were to go hunting in a corner of space I like, you can be assured you're going to get an "anti-pirate" group hunting you. If you start playing stupid log off games or smack talking in local, you deserve every podding you receive.
Not all pirate hunting groups are pro-podding. Be a gentleman about the defeat, and we'll most probably let your pod go. Unfortunately it's not possible to control the itchy trigger finger of every pilot in that group, but podding is generally frowned upon.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.06.04 06:33:00 -
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Depends on the situation. And if the ransom is resonable.
Though most of the time I'm in a PVP fit and am only engaged in PVP situations that I choose to be, so there's little time for small talk.
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Anatolius
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Posted - 2006.06.04 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard
As far as I'm concerned you're all Captain Morgan and I'm the British Navy!
Die ebil pirate scum!!
Captain Sir Henry Morgan? Whom the Royal Navy proclaimed profound ignorance about whilst he sacked the Spanish repeatedly?
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Jin Masaru
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Posted - 2006.06.04 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Yes, if I honestly believed the ransomer would honor it. In my experience, anti-pirates are much less honorable in these stakes than pirates ever will be. Maybe its because its not their living.
This sums it up nicely.
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Posted - 2006.06.04 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Izo Azlion
Originally by: Psycarne
Would I hell
Its people like you that I dont get. "Would I hell." with no reason or explanation.
The way i see it, if its a fair ransom, i'll pay it to save the hassle of getting a new ship and modules. Closed minded up their own arse folk who say "Never!" deserve to be popped. If you honestly dont care about your ship or pod, thats fine, but sayin it like its a bad thing, to pay a ransom, is just rediculous.
I pay my ransoms. Although I dont really pirate any more... ASCN :/ Hehe.
It is a bad thing to pay a ransom.
I've never been ransomed. People have gotten me down to structure and asked politely for money, but i've never empowered them by negotiating. If you attack me I attack you. If you stop attacking me, I'll continue to attack you.
Even if I can't break your tank, ill sit there attacking you afk.
I pay as much as you do, I play the way I want to. So I dont recognize ransoms. If you attack its a fight. If you stop attacking and start some asking for payment nonsense, its just nonsense.
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Yual
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Posted - 2006.06.04 10:25:00 -
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I think what the poster is trying to ask is: All the pirates out there who keep saying "Trust us, stay calm, pay the ransom, and you'll be fine" if you were given the other side of your deal would you pay?
And a LOT of pirates said... no.
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Milo Deadstar
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Posted - 2006.06.04 11:23:00 -
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I would pay a fellow pirate but no way to paying anti-pies..
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Verone
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Posted - 2006.06.04 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Silthis Marna
Blah.
If you were to go hunting in a corner of space I like, you can be assured you're going to get an "anti-pirate" group hunting you. If you start playing stupid log off games or smack talking in local, you deserve every podding you receive.
Not all pirate hunting groups are pro-podding. Be a gentleman about the defeat, and we'll most probably let your pod go. Unfortunately it's not possible to control the itchy trigger finger of every pilot in that group, but podding is generally frowned upon.
Pile of Crap.
Every single anti pirate group I've fought, and there are MANY, have podded on defeat. No questions asked, no matter how civil I've been in local.
I call your bluff on that one.
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.06.04 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: welsh wizard on 04/06/2006 12:01:31
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Anti pirates have no honor. Those that do wouldn't even ask you for a ransom.
It's not an anti-pirates job to ransom you though is it? It's an anti-pirates job to rid the universe of pirate scum!
Whether theres honour in it or not, its still a service to the neutral entities in Eve.
At the end of the day, you shoot innocents for the sake of it, we don't.
I don't care of course, its all fun roleplay to me and I admire you lot for upholding the pirate profession.
i just wish the game catered more for the anti-pirate sometimes. :(
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Tityana
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Posted - 2006.06.04 12:05:00 -
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Has any pirate actually been ransomed? I know i certainly have never been given the opportunity! I guess the 'fame' of the killmail of certain players/corps overrides the attraction of iskies?
Dont bother me.... SHOPPING!
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Vitoria Julii
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Posted - 2006.06.04 15:37:00 -
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No, I wouldnt pay a ransom to save my ship. I generally have spares available, and if I was worried about losing my ship I wouldn't have risked it in the first place. Also, its not often I ransom people. I have to admit I far prefer just killing out of hand.
Oh, and a word to the newer players: If you are offered a ransom, remember that its rarely a negotiation, and normally an ultimatum.
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Dumus
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Posted - 2006.06.04 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Milo Deadstar
I would pay a fellow pirate but no way to paying anti-pies..
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Kelron Queldine
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Posted - 2006.06.04 21:27:00 -
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I would pay a ransom to anyone provided it was reasonable and better economically than losing my ship. Not that I've ever been offered the chance to pay, except once when I asked if I could, but they didn't like my offer.
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Xhieron
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Posted - 2006.06.04 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: Xhieron on 04/06/2006 22:27:00
Thanks everyone for the discussion. I thought about doing some redirection here, but thought better of it. I'm going to start a new thread instead, to continue the discussion in a similar direction. I'd like to see some clarification on some of what's been said, so I hope some who have made specific claims will be willing to provide more evidence there.
X.
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Stubnitz
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Posted - 2006.06.04 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dumus
Originally by: Milo Deadstar
I would pay a fellow pirate but no way to paying anti-pies..
QFT
im a young pirate and this struck a cord ^^
all i can add is, well QFT...
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Izo Azlion
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Posted - 2006.06.05 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard
Originally by: Izo Azlion
Originally by: Psycarne
Would I hell
Its people like you that I dont get. "Would I hell." with no reason or explanation.
The way i see it, if its a fair ransom, i'll pay it to save the hassle of getting a new ship and modules. Closed minded up their own arse folk who say "Never!" deserve to be popped. If you honestly dont care about your ship or pod, thats fine, but sayin it like its a bad thing, to pay a ransom, is just rediculous.
I pay my ransoms. Although I dont really pirate any more... ASCN :/ Hehe.
If you knew who his main was you'd understand.
Thanks for the rhetorical comment there, I guess I dont get to find out? Postin with alts ftl.
Alas!
Izo Azlion.
Sha Kharn.
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Shere
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Posted - 2006.06.05 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Yual
I think what the poster is trying to ask is: All the pirates out there who keep saying "Trust us, stay calm, pay the ransom, and you'll be fine" if you were given the other side of your deal would you pay?
And a LOT of pirates said... no.
The reason a ransom would even be viable is if the target is flying something they simple cannot or would rather not lose. Most pirates are used to loss and will never fly something they can't easily replace. That is what seperates pirates from the fodder.
Honestly, I can't even tell you how many stupid, stupid people I've "caught with their pants down" in low sec. With ships that can't be insured (T2) or ships that have fittings worth well over the price of the actual ship are easily ransomed.
That's all. I always honor ransoms when they are asked of me.
As long as it's reasonable of course.
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Brisi
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Posted - 2006.06.05 10:23:00 -
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The only time I would ever pay a ransom is if I was NPC'ing in 0.0. The work and dullness of getting a new ship outfitted and flown out there (whereever 'there' may be) would make me pay.
If I ever got ransomed back while an enemy, no way would I pay the ransom. This is due to a couple of reasons:
#1. First of all, I would never trust a guy that I attacked, to be honorable when it comes to ransoming me back.
#2. I'm always in a combat fitted ship, and the only way someone would get a chance to ransom me, would if they blobbed me to hell and jammed me to hell and back. Otherwise I'd fight 'till the end. If they did blob me, I'd rather self-destruct tbh.
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mamolian
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Posted - 2006.06.05 11:34:00 -
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I Cant see myself ransoming a pirate unless of course it was somthing like a capital ship or a faction battelship..
And even then.. it would be irresponsible to leave such a ship in pierat hands
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Silthis Marna
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Posted - 2006.06.05 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: Silthis Marna on 05/06/2006 12:36:39
Originally by: Verone
Every single anti pirate group I've fought, and there are MANY, have podded on defeat. No questions asked, no matter how civil I've been in local.
I call your bluff on that one.
Well, I'm not a voice for my corp, and I can't speak for my alliance. However, I do know what the expected operational behaviour is.
Consider why some pirates pod a pilot. There is no financial gain in doing so. A lot of "anti-pirate" groups do it for the same reason as a pirate. The anti-piracy tag comes as some sort of rationalisation for what is piracy painted a different colour.
That pod can't harm anyone, and raising the stakes only escalates the response. The immediate risk to local pilots is now gone. Consider that from the perspective of a group that wishes just to be left alone in a corner of space.
I see your bluff, and raise it a counter-argument
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Voculus
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Posted - 2006.06.05 22:51:00 -
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Quote:
The anti-piracy tag comes as some sort of rationalisation for what is piracy painted a different colour.
That's completely false. Anti-pirates don't hug gates and blow away every noob and hauler they see. Anti-pirates only hunt pirates, hence the name.
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Lakota
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Posted - 2006.06.06 03:29:00 -
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IMO Anti-Pies are likely more interested in killboards than isk. I probably wouldn't take it. Would rather just buy a new ship than risk the humiliation of not only paying the isk, but listening to some self-rightous anti-pie gloat about cheating me.
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Prestis
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Posted - 2006.06.06 17:53:00 -
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I would never offer or pay a ransom.
It just awkward and pointless for both sides. Most people won't pay through pride and those that do might well be hiding good mods. Plus the lucky dip sensation of the can is always more fun, even if it usually is junk.
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Psycarne
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Posted - 2006.06.06 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Izo Azlion
Thanks for the rhetorical comment there, I guess I dont get to find out? Postin with alts ftl.
Alas!
Posting with alts? One can roleplay two different characters ffs. I post with this character and my other simply where it seems appropriate, it is not an attempt at deception or hiding behind different alias. And I have said who my other character is on these forums before so it's not a huge secret.
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Mangold
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Posted - 2006.06.07 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Anti pirates have no honor. Those that do wouldn't even ask you for a ransom.
I'd never ransom a pirate. Pop or get popped is what I'd expect.
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Donna Darko
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Posted - 2006.06.07 11:35:00 -
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I've been ransomed by pirates before and I paid when the price was right. I was also ransomed by Psycarne and Lhodi who asked 15 mil for my pod (my clone cost 2.1 mil and I had no implants, the 15 mil would have covered ship and clone). Obviously there was no point in me paying that much.
I did refuse ransoms though. The last time that happened, I stupidly accepted a 1 vs 1. I was nossed to death and brought to 1/4 armor then ransomed a very low price compared to what I would have lost on the ship. Do you think I paid someone who first calls a 1 vs 1 then ransoms me when he sees he's winning? (I am happy to remember ALL my t2 fittings have blown up, I think the guy was left with a MAR t2 and t2 ammo worth about 500k.)
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Roxors
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Posted - 2006.06.07 14:22:00 -
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being ransomed by an anti pirate is something of a twisted state.. a pirate as i would define it is a character that profits from threatening other characters.
an anti-pirate is a vigilante out to take out pirates.. ransoming would kind of turn you into a pirate. an anti-pirate ransoming a pirate is kind of hypocritical.
when it comes down to actions there is really very little difference between a pirate and an anti-pirate. the one noticable difference is that a pirate needs to stay trustworthy to continue being an effective pirate. an anti-pirate (as far as i can tell) has no practical gameplay use for honor. honor to an anti-pirate is a matter of roleplay where as to a pirate it's a mechanic of thier profession. you just dont pay bounties to someone you dont trust.
more on topic of the OP.. i think most pirates would go down in a firey ball of rubble trying to subdue thier taret.
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Lodhi
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Posted - 2006.06.08 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tityana
Has any pirate actually been ransomed? I know i certainly have never been given the opportunity! I guess the 'fame' of the killmail of certain players/corps overrides the attraction of iskies?
When i were in w0mbles we actually ransomed a few pirates even a snigg one. Dont think any1 payed tho and ended up in cloning wat rather quick
But these day's ive turned over the burden of infesting aunenen to Nazz and Psyc
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Thut'ankh Amon
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Posted - 2006.06.08 05:55:00 -
[63]
depends on situation really, if i would need hour to assemble new ship (and didnt have time) and if the ransom was reasonable and offered in good style then i would propably pay
I'ja'me ro'vu Amon
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Voculus
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Posted - 2006.06.08 05:57:00 -
[64]
Originally by: LodhiWhen i were in w0mbles we actually ransomed a few pirates even a snigg one. Dont think any1 payed tho and ended up in cloning wat rather quick [)
But these day's ive turned over the burden of infesting aunenen to Nazz and Psyc
I haven't seen any Wombles there in some time. Seems ID is camping the Nonni gate too often for them to find any targets.
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Psycarne
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Posted - 2006.06.08 06:15:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Voculus
Originally by: LodhiWhen i were in w0mbles we actually ransomed a few pirates even a snigg one. Dont think any1 payed tho and ended up in cloning wat rather quick [)
But these day's ive turned over the burden of infesting aunenen to Nazz and Psyc
I haven't seen any Wombles there in some time. Seems ID is camping the Nonni gate too often for them to find any targets.
You can't be looking very hard.
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Order of the Wombles: Recycling those untidy modules on your ship.
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Ceiri
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Posted - 2006.06.08 07:14:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Roxors
when it comes down to actions there is really very little difference between a pirate and an anti-pirate. the one noticable difference is that a pirate needs to stay trustworthy to continue being an effective pirate. an anti-pirate (as far as i can tell) has no practical gameplay use for honor. honor to an anti-pirate is a matter of roleplay where as to a pirate it's a mechanic of thier profession. you just dont pay bounties to someone you dont trust.
The difference between pirates and anti-pirates couldn't be more plain. They're 180 degrees from each other! Pirates hunt victims. Anti-pirates hunt victimizers.
All the difference in the world.
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Roxors
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:29:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Roxors on 08/06/2006 13:29:59
Edited by: Roxors on 08/06/2006 13:29:23
Originally by: Ceiri
Originally by: Roxors
when it comes down to actions there is really very little difference between a pirate and an anti-pirate. the one noticable difference is that a pirate needs to stay trustworthy to continue being an effective pirate. an anti-pirate (as far as i can tell) has no practical gameplay use for honor. honor to an anti-pirate is a matter of roleplay where as to a pirate it's a mechanic of thier profession. you just dont pay bounties to someone you dont trust.
The difference between pirates and anti-pirates couldn't be more plain. They're 180 degrees from each other! Pirates hunt victims. Anti-pirates hunt victimizers.
All the difference in the world.
your talking about intent.. i was talking about actions.. what if a "pirate" was merely trying to save the belt from the ecological presure that miners put on them?
read my post again. another way to put what i said is that the main difference between pirates and anti-pirates is what they have to tell themselves to get to sleep at night.. thier actions however are virtualy indistinguishable from each other.
not that i have anything against pirating or anti-pirating... its just that the anti pirates tend to have a fairly hypocritical view of things.. its as if they somehow think they arent pirates just because they only go after other pirates.
if you were a cop and you came around a corner and saw a guy shooting another guy so you pulled your gun and shot him... at the end of the day your both killers..
a pirate is a pirate.. it doesnt matter what prefix they put in front of the word pirate.. they're still pirates.. nothing wrong with that. i just have to laugh though when i see some pirates claim to be superior to other pirates because of thier choice of targets.
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Zenn Bu
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Posted - 2006.06.08 14:44:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Roxors
what if a "pirate" was merely trying to save the belt from the ecological presure that miners put on them?
Hahaha, classic
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Keeng Berksa
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Posted - 2006.06.08 19:34:00 -
[69]
If he was a smack talking idiot I would tell him to get f**ked. If he was a professional pirate, asking a reasonable ransom... I would probably pay unless the ship was a frigate outfitted from the corp hangar. Its all about how much you lose, if I buy a caracal, make 15 mil ratting in it, and then I am being ransomed, I'll tell him no. At 7mil per caracal, including insurance, modules, ect, I havent lost any money compared to what I have made off the ship.
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Xenios Alfar
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Posted - 2006.06.08 19:41:00 -
[70]
Depends on what mood im in, if i feel the need to pay rather than die then i often pay the ransom but most of the time i flip them the bird and watch the pretty bang =]
-Xenios Alfar
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Jordania
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Posted - 2006.06.09 02:23:00 -
[71]
Would depend on the situation I guess. Do I have another ship handy? Is it a reasonable ransom? I have payed ransoms before while I was pirating and got caught myself... he asked a reasonable price for my ship, I payed. I try to do the same thing and all I get is smack. It really is a situation dependent thing I think.
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Ceiri
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Posted - 2006.06.09 03:22:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Roxors
your talking about intent.. i was talking about actions.. what if a "pirate" was merely trying to save the belt from the ecological presure that miners put on them?
Go ahead and tell me what ecological purpose asteroids serve. I can't wait.
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Agama
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Posted - 2006.06.09 05:06:00 -
[73]
I have paid in the past and would in the future if it was handled fairly and smack free. Otherwise I don't mind taking the clone tube back home.
But to be honest the anti-pirates just tend to pod on sight more than the pirates for me.
'Death solves all problems- no man, no problem' J.V. Stalin, 1918
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fairimear
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Posted - 2006.06.09 06:47:00 -
[74]
we pirate the pirates and the official line is, dont even ask for ransom.
why?
cus real pirates have good bounty and claiming that 15mill off their head is plenty
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Jesus
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Posted - 2006.06.09 08:58:00 -
[75]
will i pay not a chance in hell.
aslong as i have ammo in my guns cap on my ship and 1 HP left i am still able to fight and i dont know what they person the other side has so i will fight till i go pop
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2006.06.09 10:33:00 -
[76]
I'm not a pirate, but I was once killing a -4.6 sec pirate while tanking sentries in my imperial issue apoc (with jamesw in a domi) and he offered 50 mil ransom, we accepted and let him go being the nice anti-pirates that we are.
jamesw actually got that on fraps but lazy bugger hasn't released it 
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.06.09 11:18:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Roxors
Edited by: Roxors on 08/06/2006 13:29:59
Edited by: Roxors on 08/06/2006 13:29:23
Originally by: Ceiri
Originally by: Roxors
when it comes down to actions there is really very little difference between a pirate and an anti-pirate. the one noticable difference is that a pirate needs to stay trustworthy to continue being an effective pirate. an anti-pirate (as far as i can tell) has no practical gameplay use for honor. honor to an anti-pirate is a matter of roleplay where as to a pirate it's a mechanic of thier profession. you just dont pay bounties to someone you dont trust.
The difference between pirates and anti-pirates couldn't be more plain. They're 180 degrees from each other! Pirates hunt victims. Anti-pirates hunt victimizers.
All the difference in the world.
your talking about intent.. i was talking about actions.. what if a "pirate" was merely trying to save the belt from the ecological presure that miners put on them?
read my post again. another way to put what i said is that the main difference between pirates and anti-pirates is what they have to tell themselves to get to sleep at night.. thier actions however are virtualy indistinguishable from each other.
not that i have anything against pirating or anti-pirating... its just that the anti pirates tend to have a fairly hypocritical view of things.. its as if they somehow think they arent pirates just because they only go after other pirates.
if you were a cop and you came around a corner and saw a guy shooting another guy so you pulled your gun and shot him... at the end of the day your both killers..
a pirate is a pirate.. it doesnt matter what prefix they put in front of the word pirate.. they're still pirates.. nothing wrong with that. i just have to laugh though when i see some pirates claim to be superior to other pirates because of thier choice of targets.
You shoot everyone, we try to stop you shooting everyone.
Theres no way to argue yourself out of that one.
Your actions are very similar to those of pirates of old who sailed the middle Americas terrorising colonies and merchant shipping.
You're an evil pirate awho must be put down, accept it. :)
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Roxors
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Posted - 2006.06.09 18:33:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Ceiri
Originally by: Roxors
your talking about intent.. i was talking about actions.. what if a "pirate" was merely trying to save the belt from the ecological presure that miners put on them?
Go ahead and tell me what ecological purpose asteroids serve. I can't wait.
exactly my point. there isnt any substance to the claim. the action is the same regaurdless of what non-gameplay backstory you cook up for it.
Originally by: welsh wizard
Edited by: welsh wizard on 09/06/2006 11:34:00
Originally by: Roxors
Edited by: Roxors on 08/06/2006 13:29:59
Edited by: Roxors on 08/06/2006 13:29:23
Originally by: Ceiri
Originally by: Roxors
when it comes down to actions there is really very little difference between a pirate and an anti-pirate. the one noticable difference is that a pirate needs to stay trustworthy to continue being an effective pirate. an anti-pirate (as far as i can tell) has no practical gameplay use for honor. honor to an anti-pirate is a matter of roleplay where as to a pirate it's a mechanic of thier profession. you just dont pay bounties to someone you dont trust.
The difference between pirates and anti-pirates couldn't be more plain. They're 180 degrees from each other! Pirates hunt victims. Anti-pirates hunt victimizers.
All the difference in the world.
your talking about intent.. i was talking about actions.. what if a "pirate" was merely trying to save the belt from the ecological presure that miners put on them?
read my post again. another way to put what i said is that the main difference between pirates and anti-pirates is what they have to tell themselves to get to sleep at night.. thier actions however are virtualy indistinguishable from each other.
not that i have anything against pirating or anti-pirating... its just that the anti pirates tend to have a fairly hypocritical view of things.. its as if they somehow think they arent pirates just because they only go after other pirates.
if you were a cop and you came around a corner and saw a guy shooting another guy so you pulled your gun and shot him... at the end of the day your both killers..
a pirate is a pirate.. it doesnt matter what prefix they put in front of the word pirate.. they're still pirates.. nothing wrong with that. i just have to laugh though when i see some pirates claim to be superior to other pirates because of thier choice of targets.
Pirates shoot everyone, we try to stop them shooting everyone.
Theres really no argument...
Most Eve pirates actions are very similar to those of pirates of old who sailed the middle Americas terrorising colonies and merchant shipping.
They're evil pirates who must be put down, best just accept it. :)
okie and thats fine.. thats cool.. like i said i have nothing against the actions.. its when the anti-pirates try to pretend they are somehow morally superior to the pirates when they are commiting basically the same actions..
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Jane Vladmir
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Posted - 2006.06.09 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: Jane Vladmir on 09/06/2006 21:12:04
Originally by: Deja Thoris
I'd never pay a ransom.
I'm a rich bugger and I can always buy a new ship. I've never seen dignity for salw on the market though
What has dignity have to do with paying a ransom to escape having to buy a new ship?
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Nazzerin
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Posted - 2006.06.10 00:28:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Voculus
Originally by: LodhiWhen i were in w0mbles we actually ransomed a few pirates even a snigg one. Dont think any1 payed tho and ended up in cloning wat rather quick [)
But these day's ive turned over the burden of infesting aunenen to Nazz and Psyc
I haven't seen any Wombles there in some time. Seems ID is camping the Nonni gate too often for them to find any targets.
As from today ID will be jammed, ganked and sniped if seen in Aunenen.
They backstabbed a member of w0mbles while he were in gang with them.
They have already suffered the consequenses of this and a "friendly" mail offering them free passage out of Aunenen has been sent. If rejected we have no other option then to unleash the wrath of w0mbles
Were back and ure bout to die
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Xendie
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Posted - 2006.06.10 00:39:00 -
[81]
pirates like ID is definetly not to be trusted to keep their word at anytime.
unlike w0mbles that always keep their word ID does not keep their word and doesnt deserve any mercy, go w0mbles!
Originally by: F'nog
This would be great, because lag is not at all a problem currently.
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Superbus Maximus
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Posted - 2006.06.10 16:22:00 -
[82]
Id rather self destruct, but depends on what im flying and who is doing the randsoming.
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Mi Lai
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Posted - 2006.06.10 16:41:00 -
[83]
It's a business decision: if the price is around or below my replacement cost, I'll pay.
Never been in that situation though, but as a pirate, I would probably find it highly ironic if I ever get into that situation. for some reason, people tend to want me dead, so it will probably never happen.
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Kresh Vladir
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Posted - 2006.06.11 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: Kresh Vladir on 11/06/2006 19:04:21
Originally by: Verone
This has happened to me once, I was flying an enyo and went up aganist an eagle...
I didn't pay because the intended victim asked me for 50 million, and to be honest I probably would have paid for the fun of it, if the price had been a bit lower.
i was flying a omen once and ran into ikvars maller and he asked me for a 1v1 so i went to the station and fitted up w/ 4 medium nos on and slowly my 3 light drones got him to low armor so i ransomed him
lets just say verone came in and killed me
btw is any1 else having posting problems where it doesint post at all or only post half of what u put in?
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