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Hans Bonderstadt
Codename-47
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Posted - 2014.05.25 08:16:00 -
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Hello, we are codename-47 wormhole corp, we're kinda new-ish, looking for da helpful advices on making it big in wormholes!
We currently live in a C4>C3, and I am wondering what the next steps would be to expand/grow from there. From what we have heard, the next step would be to get caps & pilots, and move into a C5.
Many thank for advice! |
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know
Unsettled.
104
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Posted - 2014.05.25 08:23:00 -
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Lol welcome back hans. Think you know the deal but grow members and get into a 5-5. Buy caps in its own time. All bout the fun and dont need caps for that.
~Bringer of happiness
http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/ |
Winthorp
Rolled Out
1715
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Posted - 2014.05.25 08:23:00 -
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Firstly welcome.
Secondly, just have fun see what WH's are all about and build yourself a nice core group of players. C4>C3 is a nice place to start and grow from. If you get a taste for C5 life and are to scared to make the leap you can always get to know some of the larger groups and do sleepovers and join in on OPs, (We all love the extra firepower).
I am C5 for life but don't feel like its where you have to be, its not for everyone.
http://i.imgur.com/crZYiir.jpg |
Hans Bonderstadt
Codename-47
11
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Posted - 2014.05.25 08:31:00 -
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calaretu wrote:Lol welcome back hans. Think you know the deal but grow members and get into a 5-5. Buy caps in its own time. All bout the fun and dont need caps for that.
I was informed that, I quote, "If you dont fully escalate home sites, its a waste of isk." so, if I move into a C5 and we have minimal cap pilots, 1, will we get **** on by bigger people? And 2, would it be a huge waste of money to get a wormhole, and not be able to fully escalate all of its sites in the beginning?
Winthorp wrote:Firstly welcome.
Secondly, just have fun see what WH's are all about and build yourself a nice core group of players. C4>C3 is a nice place to start and grow from. If you get a taste for C5 life and are to scared to make the leap you can always get to know some of the larger groups and do sleepovers and join in on OPs, (We all love the extra firepower).
I am C5 for life but don't feel like its where you have to be, its not for everyone.
I have always been intrigued by C5 wormholes, but I always have this imminant sense of being dropped on by T3 blobs (albeit not big to you, big to our small group) so is that just live in C5's, should we expect to lose lots of T3's?
Also, I really would like to get to know lots of the bigger WH players, but I'm not to sure how to go about this |
Winthorp
Rolled Out
1716
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Posted - 2014.05.25 08:45:00 -
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Hans Bonderstadt wrote:calaretu wrote:Lol welcome back hans. Think you know the deal but grow members and get into a 5-5. Buy caps in its own time. All bout the fun and dont need caps for that. I was informed that, I quote, "If you dont fully escalate home sites, its a waste of isk." so, if I move into a C5 and we have minimal cap pilots, 1, will we get **** on by bigger people? And 2, would it be a huge waste of money to get a wormhole, and not be able to fully escalate all of its sites in the beginning? Winthorp wrote:Firstly welcome.
Secondly, just have fun see what WH's are all about and build yourself a nice core group of players. C4>C3 is a nice place to start and grow from. If you get a taste for C5 life and are to scared to make the leap you can always get to know some of the larger groups and do sleepovers and join in on OPs, (We all love the extra firepower).
I am C5 for life but don't feel like its where you have to be, its not for everyone. I have always been intrigued by C5 wormholes, but I always have this imminant sense of being dropped on by T3 blobs (albeit not big to you, big to our small group) so is that just live in C5's, should we expect to lose lots of T3's? Also, I really would like to get to know lots of the bigger WH players, but I'm not to sure how to go about this
You are always vulnerable when escalating home sites more so when you have minimal pilots but then if you have too many it becomes not so profitable to do so its a fine balance you will have to find that suits you and your group. There is a great misconception that the minute you move to C5 space people are looking to evict you, its not the case just explore around have some fun fights.
You will make more ISK in a C5 to be able to afford T3 and cap losses, but try out the ishtar when outnumbered by the T3 blobs.
Also feel free to hang in our pub and talk ****. "Rolled Out"
http://i.imgur.com/crZYiir.jpg |
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know
Unsettled.
105
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Posted - 2014.05.25 09:02:00 -
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Some say its a isk loss to not maximize PI and haul every day. You can perfectly live in a c5 and just run statics with domis or something. Its really just up to you and what you find fun. Imo a regular daily fleet of aprox 10 people makes a good foundation for pew in c5 space so no need to hurry on before you reach that point. Avoid smacking and mocking others and you will avoid most reasons for eviction. Just do your own things. Take the fights you want and just enjoy the game.
~Bringer of happiness
http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/ |
Andrew Jester
Rolled Out
221
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Posted - 2014.05.25 09:51:00 -
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The best way to get to know corps is to be a pub chat *****. You run into someone? Check for a pub chat and hang out. Eventually you have more chats than you know what to do with, but you'll make some friends along the way. Shotgun approach and all that. |
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
8324
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Posted - 2014.05.25 10:10:00 -
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More c5ers! we need that fot sure. When u do join Mind Games Public aswell :) |
fido goran
Rolled Out
19
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Posted - 2014.05.25 13:11:00 -
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Never be afraid to put up a fight, even if you are outnumbered and means you will likely die. You will get a feel for how WH fleets work and will gain respect from other entities, which in the long run is beneficial to you in various ways. |
Duke Wendo
Probe Patrol
Ixtab.
50
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Posted - 2014.05.25 13:34:00 -
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Hans Bonderstadt wrote:Hello, we are codename-47 wormhole corp, we're kinda new-ish, looking for da helpful advices on making it big in wormholes!
We currently live in a C4>C3, and I am wondering what the next steps would be to expand/grow from there. From what we have heard, the next step would be to get caps & pilots, and move into a C5.
Many thank for advice!
Nice to see some new faces after all the circle-jerk and smack talking...
My advice would be to train your pilots up to t3/ guardian and some kind of shield equivalent while recruiting to get a decent size of people. This way you can reliably field a small- medium gang that knows each- other well, can PvP together and farm your static for quick ISK.
When you realise you have more people than a c3 static can comfortably keep entertained- that's when it's time to move to a bigger and more difficult system.
I'm speaking from experience- I was part of a c2-c4 group that grew too big for the system and needed more challenges so I moved onto a c6 to learn all I could and then the corp followed me and some other guys after we explained how good it was!
However- you need to build up that strong group of people before you move into a higher class. Nothing worse than having stuff to shoot and nobody to come shoot at it with you :/
Good luck and hit me up in- game if you need to talk more (im not an expert on everything but I like to help out where I can!)
Duke |
ChrisLCTR
Lazerhawks
131
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Posted - 2014.05.25 22:29:00 -
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Welcome, looking forward to your growth and development to get to a point where you can join the Sh*t-show of C5 space. Despite all of the poo-flinging I think we are all pretty much one big happy family.
Keep the laughter in Slaughter |
Hans Bonderstadt
Codename-47
13
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Posted - 2014.05.26 05:22:00 -
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Many thanks for the welcomes and helpful advice!  Been super useful!
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Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
416
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Posted - 2014.05.26 05:26:00 -
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Hope the bullies don't discourage you from growth. We definitely need more diversity in wspace. I'm sure anyone here is willing to give you some useful advice.
Snipped signature for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |
Braxus Deninard
Rolled Out
411
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Posted - 2014.05.26 06:35:00 -
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Welcome to w-space guys. If you do ever need any help just post here or ask any of the other groups in pub channels etc - despite all the trolling and name-calling that does happen on the forums in this section, everyone is very helpful and willing to help out. |
Michael1995
Lazerhawks
131
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Posted - 2014.05.26 09:11:00 -
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Welcome! seven-oh
One does not simply buy their way into Goonswarm. |
Sweetsthehooker Zateki
Space Wolves ind.
The Wolfpack Nexus
1
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Posted - 2014.05.26 20:38:00 -
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My recommendation would be to rename to Codename Kids Next Door |
Hans Bonderstadt
Codename-47
16
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Posted - 2014.05.26 22:00:00 -
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Sweetsthehooker Zateki wrote:My recommendation would be to rename to Codename Kids Next Door
that was the best TV show of my childhood |
chris elliot
Yoyodyne corporation
Shadow Cartel
366
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Posted - 2014.05.26 23:02:00 -
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Hans Bonderstadt wrote:Sweetsthehooker Zateki wrote:My recommendation would be to rename to Codename Kids Next Door that was the best TV show of my childhood
God damn i feel old now.... |
fox weik
Narwhals Ate My Duck.
Narwhals Ate My Duck
0
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Posted - 2014.05.27 00:00:00 -
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Hans Bonderstadt wrote:Sweetsthehooker Zateki wrote:My recommendation would be to rename to Codename Kids Next Door that was the best TV show of my childhood
i feel bad for your childhood then, recess was the best by far, also invader zim (may he live in our hearts now)
Narwhals ate my Duck recruiter.... gib apps plox |
Hans Bonderstadt
Codename-47
16
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Posted - 2014.05.27 00:52:00 -
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fox weik wrote:Hans Bonderstadt wrote:Sweetsthehooker Zateki wrote:My recommendation would be to rename to Codename Kids Next Door that was the best TV show of my childhood i feel bad for your childhood then, recess was the best by far, also invader zim (may he live in our hearts now)
duuude, recess was awesome
but I never watched invader zim... |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
1465
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Posted - 2014.05.27 01:21:00 -
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C4 / C4 and run marauders. Or even go to C4/C5 and do the same, if you feel incapable of scaling up the corp to full cap escalations.
Even partial escalations are worthwhile. it's 8 more Sleeper BS, every time you warp in the Archon.
It doesn't take much effort to get the cap hulls with T1 fits, and if you do partial escalations, you really only need one capital hull, and soon you will be able to afford a second and third and fourth.
The thing is, all these guys saying "grow your member, take C5 fights" are running 10-30 man T3 fleets already, as a rule. If you get your whole corp to 30 members, it will be 10 meatbods and 5-6 man gangs. 10 man dualboxing gangs if you want. You won't stand a chance, and you don't learn much at all about wormhole fights in C5's if you DIAF inside of 20 seconds.
The proper way to learn is to attend the batphone events, and adsorb the meta via camping out round the bonfire of a POS burning stront. Your blueslist supplies the giant blob, you just follow pimaries, press F1 and learn.
You should also be prepared to fight in nullsec more than wormholes. My C5 lyfe was mostly hunting in our C2 chain/hisec, or watching bots warp to POS in nullsec. Occasionally some clown would titan bridge a 60 man HAC fleet onto our nullsec connection which was a fun bit of distraction. We got a couple of good fights in the RUS periphery renter space, because null Russians who don't dock are crazy-ass like weasels hopped up on PCP kind of fight-anything.
I agree you won't be evicted swiftly, but if you are evicted, remember to forum sperge about it royally, because we all love a good read.
J's before K's.
::brofist::
http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Hans Bonderstadt
Codename-47
16
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Posted - 2014.05.27 08:11:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote: remember to forum sperge about it royally, because we all love a good read.
Ill remember to do so next time :D |
Meytal
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
423
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Posted - 2014.05.27 12:20:00 -
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Don't feel obligated to move to a C5 or anywhere; the only difference is do you want to field caps in regular combat or only in home defense? You can always kill them everywhere regardless of where you live (new-Phoenix in a Pulsar is going to be a royal pain though). Figure out what you want for your corp and from your corp, and what your capabilities are and likely will be in the medium-term future, and settle appropriately.
Coming from a non-smallish C2 corp, I can highly recommend living in a C2. Depending on your statics and your willingness to scan and hunt for targets, you can do quite well regardless of your size. Anomalous Existence is one of the better known "low class" groups, and they can field large, imposing, and shiny fleets like the rest of the W-space groups while "only" living in a C2. Pick a C2 or C4 static for PvP or a C3 static for PvE; all of those can come with a Hisec. Or go full-on C2/NS/C5 and ignore the easy Hisec logistics.
Bastion Marauders mean you can't sit back and let your ECM protect your towers anymore, so you even get some variety in POS mods nowadays, like what the C5/C6 guys are used to.
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Nash MacAllister
Anomalous Existence
Low-Class
140
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Posted - 2014.05.27 18:00:00 -
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Hidden Fremen wrote:Hope the bullies don't discourage you from growth. We definitely need more diversity in wspace. I'm sure anyone here is willing to give you some useful advice.
WH Lesson 1: Don't smack talk local and make the situation personal... 
Otherwise, best of luck growing the corp, always good to see more active folks around.
Yes, if you have to ask yourself the question, just assume we are watching you... |
Hans Bonderstadt
Codename-47
16
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Posted - 2014.05.27 19:54:00 -
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Nash MacAllister wrote:Hidden Fremen wrote:Hope the bullies don't discourage you from growth. We definitely need more diversity in wspace. I'm sure anyone here is willing to give you some useful advice. WH Lesson 1: Don't smack talk local and make the situation personal...
Yeahh, we learned that lesson on the first eviction
Nash MacAllister wrote:Otherwise, best of luck growing the corp, always good to see more active folks around.
Thanks |
Job Valador
Sovereign Colonies Armed Forces
578
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Posted - 2014.05.27 20:47:00 -
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C5 life has been good for us so far. Still no cap pilots but were not here for the ISK were here to try and master black holes........ Ill get back to you on that if we ever do 
"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement." |
Destoth La'Rakian
Anoikis Vergence
Critically Unstable
0
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Posted - 2014.05.27 22:47:00 -
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O7 Hans we live in a c5-c3 probably the best for pre cap corps , domi fleets can run a load a the c5 stuff an c3 static helps keep every1 payed up an entertained plus if you love pew then roll thatc3 mass is small so ez rolls but idk how many ppl you would need to hold it,I'm new to wh as well but most corps an alli are cool an if you give fights then there usually even nicer after they knwyour not farm bears. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
1470
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Posted - 2014.05.27 23:58:00 -
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Job Valador wrote:C5 life has been good for us so far. Still no cap pilots but were not here for the ISK were here to try and master black holes........ Ill get back to you on that if we ever do
Suggest downgrading to C4. Even without capital escalations and the inherent dangers and limitations of escalating in BH C5's (slow align, bad weapon performance) the negatives are just too strong in C5's to be able to alter your fits for subcaps to actually game the negatives into a positive. In c4 space, where i lived in a BH for 9 months, it's doable...and hilarious when Cynabals come to take on your Drakes.
Good news is that CSM and CCP Greyscale are still looking in to black holes and finding a fix.
J's before K's.
::brofist::
http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Job Valador
Sovereign Colonies Armed Forces
578
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Posted - 2014.05.28 01:27:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Job Valador wrote:C5 life has been good for us so far. Still no cap pilots but were not here for the ISK were here to try and master black holes........ Ill get back to you on that if we ever do Suggest downgrading to C4. Even without capital escalations and the inherent dangers and limitations of escalating in BH C5's (slow align, bad weapon performance) the negatives are just too strong in C5's to be able to alter your fits for subcaps to actually game the negatives into a positive. In c4 space, where i lived in a BH for 9 months, it's doable...and hilarious when Cynabals come to take on your Drakes. Good news is that CSM and CCP Greyscale are still looking in to black holes and finding a fix.
Rail Rokhs. 500+ DPS (skill differences) with 60 km falloff. For running the sleeper sites it works and we get done in good time.
As for PvP well... Secret for now what we are trying to use. Hopefully we can pull off what we are attempting. Till then we all hope to get a "gudfight" soon but have not yet connected to anyone really all that active when we have the bulk of our guys on.
"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement." |
Punisher004
Rolled Out
0
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Posted - 2014.05.28 04:56:00 -
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Hey guys welcome to the club.
My advice is get a cheap doctrine so you can pvp without stressing about expensive lossmails . Take fights you think you can win and some you know you cant win. Take those losses and learn from them and keep it positive, you will earn respect this way and grow as pvpers.
Good luck |
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