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Valan
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Posted - 2006.06.04 09:39:00 -
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Edited by: Valan on 04/06/2006 09:40:54
Did you check the guys employment history? This would've given you a hint of his experience.
When you opened fire did you consider the possibility he would come back? If you did I'm assuming you assessed the risk and thought a level 3 loot can was worth it.
Knowing that he may return did you align for a warpable object? When he turned up in a Scorpion why didn't you run? A Raven is a nice ship but a Scorpion is a real *****. It scrambles, webs, jams, tanks and he already knows your ship. I could've scrambled you, webbed you and jammed you and left you sat there for a week. A character the same age as you could've done the same thing.
Not even gonna mention the guy in the HAC, stupid is as stupid does. Think you should've left him out of the arguement.
So you can see none of that has anything to do with skill points or equipment. Its common sense, you didn't think the situation through before committing yourself to an action. I'm very careful which fights I commit to. Not that I'm afraid of losing a ship I just don't see the point of entering into a fight I'm going to lose. Battles are won before they start, you have to calculate all the angles.
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Valan
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Posted - 2006.06.04 10:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Drako Krakin
Originally by: Valan
Edited by: Valan on 04/06/2006 09:40:54
Not even gonna mention the guy in the HAC, stupid is as stupid does. Think you should've left him out of the arguement.
For the record - I am the one that lost the HAC and I earned every isk that I ever got. While I have been playing for 8 months, I have not done much PvP. I did not lose my HAC through some borked flagging system or kill-rights system. I lost it because I screwed up. Awhile ago in a moment of stupidity I turned off pop-ups (they have been set back on NOW). I should have known better than this and I just didnÆt think it through to the logical conclusion (my ship loss).
The term noob and vet are irrelevant in this game - everybody in this game is a noob at one thing or another. Great PvPers often donÆt know anything about manufacturing (thus they are a noob at manufacturing). Me I do missions and complexes; am a noob at PvP, but a vet at missions? Maybe, but the way to find out is to try it. If you fail then suck up your losses and move on.
Eve offers a multitude of "career Paths". The guy that killed me has chosen his and that is fine. I donÆt like it or respect it, but that is his choice and it works for him. So be it. By the way he has only been playing 1 year, not much more than me.
In this case I tried to help a friend in a PvP scenario. Guess what? Based upon the end result I have to assume that PvP may not be my best career path. Do I mourn the loss of my ship? Sure I do, but I learned something and moved on. Somebody in local chat said that ôa cheap lesson is forgotten and an expensive one remembered.ö Very true.
To Varia Net who is my friend I have to say let this go û it was within Eve¦s parameters and allowed (not liked). Lessons were learned and life ain¦t fair. But the game works fine. Time to let it go.
Thats how to deal, although don't let it put you off PvP. You only learn through mistakes, the trick is not repeating them. I suggest making them in a cheaper ship. We've all done it, only reason I have ever lost ships is by doing something stupid.
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Valan
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Posted - 2006.06.04 18:48:00 -
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Actually ammending the title would draw less flame bait. This has nothing to do with Vets.
You survived so the guy that attacked wasn't that uber. There are people that know the game and those that don't. You can learn the rules in a day all the info is on this site.
So a week old player could've suckered you in just as well.
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Valan
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Posted - 2006.06.05 11:46:00 -
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This thread is a draw.
I've seen posts where CCP have said that they never intended for GTCs to be used for laundering ISK for real money. It was stated that things would remain the same but they would monitor the situation. So people are using a loop hole to buy ISK with real money.
High sec can flaggers are using loop holes in in game mechanics to get kills.
There is no difference between the two sides.
I'm surprised rats don't start high sec wars on GTC buyers as they are willing to buy their way ahead.
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Valan
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Posted - 2006.06.05 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tachy
Originally by: Valan
[...]High sec can flaggers are using loop holes in in game mechanics to get kills.[...]
That's all loot libertator flagging is about.
That practice doesn't even come close to any loop hole. Noone forces you to attack someonewho's flagged for nicking stuff from 'your' cans.
Miners and mission runners have been fighting two years to get something like that implemented so they have a chance to fight if they want to.
Was being diplomatic.
I know both mechanisms were the result of people whining for months. But I'm not entirely convinced the two were supposed to interact that way. Although CCP must've guessed they would.
I think I remember CCPs response being. Cause and effect.
If you steal you get shot.
If you shoot you get shot.
As far as GTCs go its not much different to ebayers and they've been banned before now. Just shows how principles slip when CCP get a cut of the money.
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