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Bohneik Itohn
Periphery Bound
193
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Posted - 2014.05.26 20:32:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Greckor Arrkana wrote:... cost of 6 Plex ....
USA: $104.97 Germany: Gé¼89.99 ($122.77) UK: -ú89.99 ($151.59)
Russia: 3299 RUB ($96.2) in Eve Online PLEX Store.
There you go, now you have to hate the Russians. Freyya:
Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?! |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
713
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Posted - 2014.05.26 20:53:00 -
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Greckor Arrkana wrote:
Regarding the fact that prices do vary i completely agree. But you are talking about ISK, a separate virtual currency. So there should be an exchange rate for:
USD> ISK 6668571.97294 EURO>ISK 5701718.66091 GBP>ISP 4617718.84689
Average: 5662669.82691
On average exchange rate: USA: +15.08% GER: +0.68% UK: -22.6%
This is relevant to... absolutely nothing. CCP is selling game time, in the form of plex, for real money. The real money price is set by the concerns of the real world, where there are things like VAT, varying tax rates, and CCPs requirement for income.
Players are selling game-time, in the form of plex, for virtual internet spaceship money. The price is determined by supply and demand in the virtual marketplace in the virtual internet spaceship world.
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Eli Hakomairos
Creeper Co. Forkoff
29
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Posted - 2014.05.26 21:02:00 -
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Greckor Arrkana wrote:Currently the cost of Plex is nowhere near fair for all members of the community. Looking at amazon currently the cost of 6 Plex is substantially disproportionately cheap for all american players.
USA: $104.97 Germany: Gé¼89.99 ($122.77) UK: -ú89.99 ($151.59)
On average the Americans save $32.21, anyone purchasing plex to increase there ISK is surely at an advantage if they are american. And considering this is a global server this certainly isn't fair on all members of the community. ( Which is why buying ISK outwith CCP is against rules)
If someone could explain why? Or even include the cost in their currency which isn't there. try using the US amazon. |
Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
112
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Posted - 2014.05.26 21:35:00 -
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Greckor Arrkana wrote:Currently the cost of Plex is nowhere near fair for all members of the community. Looking at amazon currently the cost of 6 Plex is substantially disproportionately cheap for all american players.
USA: $104.97 Germany: Gé¼89.99 ($122.77) UK: -ú89.99 ($151.59)
On average the Americans save $32.21, anyone purchasing plex to increase there ISK is surely at an advantage if they are american. And considering this is a global server this certainly isn't fair on all members of the community. ( Which is why buying ISK outwith CCP is against rules)
If someone could explain why? Or even include the cost in their currency which isn't there.
VAT, but if you're in the EU, just order from the US, $31.49 for 2 PLEX on retailers, which comes down to$94.47 (69Gé¼ at today's rate). Electronic goods which are not bundled with physical goods are techincally under customs fee + VAT, but unless you use the codes to run a company, it's fully legal to dodge the VAT this way. |
Mardris Fol
Den Sorte Loge Redrum Fleet
2
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Posted - 2014.05.26 22:40:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Greckor Arrkana wrote:Currently the cost of Plex is nowhere near fair for all members of the community. Looking at amazon currently the cost of 6 Plex is substantially disproportionately cheap for all american players.
USA: $104.97 Germany: Gé¼89.99 ($122.77) UK: -ú89.99 ($151.59)
On average the Americans save $32.21, anyone purchasing plex to increase there ISK is surely at an advantage if they are american. And considering this is a global server this certainly isn't fair on all members of the community. ( Which is why buying ISK outwith CCP is against rules)
If someone could explain why? Or even include the cost in their currency which isn't there. The discrepancy between US and EU prices is due to tax differences. By law, EU prices have to be advertised inclusive of VAT, this is anywhere between 12-27% depending on the country you're buying in. US Prices do not have to be advertised with state/federal sales tax included, this is why the prices appear lower.
UK VAT is 20%
The ex-VAT price for the UK is $151.59 / 1.2 = 126$, which is still more than 20% above the US price.
Then allow for the fact that US sales tax is less than half the US sales tax and it just gets worse.
Of course $/-ú rate fluctuates but it's never so bad that the PLEX prices are close. |
Hugs Kansene
0
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Posted - 2014.05.26 22:44:00 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote: it's fully legal to dodge the VAT this way.
But how can you sleep at night knowing you're depriving your dearly beloved welfare states of much needed funding? I'm sure a bureaucrat somewhere is going to go without his caviar and brie because of you. Think about that.
Mardris Fol wrote:
Then allow for the fact that US sales tax is less than half the US sales tax and it just gets worse.
lol |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1500
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Posted - 2014.05.26 23:04:00 -
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Bohneik Itohn wrote:March rabbit wrote:Greckor Arrkana wrote:... cost of 6 Plex ....
USA: $104.97 Germany: Gé¼89.99 ($122.77) UK: -ú89.99 ($151.59)
Russia: 3299 RUB ($96.2) in Eve Online PLEX Store. There you go, now you have to hate the Russians. that's ok.... everybody hates us already The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Felicity Love
It Was the Year 3030
1832
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Posted - 2014.05.27 00:02:00 -
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LUXURIES are bad, mmmmmkay ? Games, like booze and smokes, are a luxury ... ergo, you get taxed... bad, bad, bad.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5355
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Posted - 2014.05.27 00:29:00 -
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Yet another reason to learn Russian Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
1265
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Posted - 2014.05.27 01:38:00 -
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People keep saying tax, yet every time I buy from a US reseller only the listed price comes out of my account, no extra tax....... |
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
226
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Posted - 2014.05.27 02:21:00 -
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Buying stuff online in the US is mostly free of tax. But they are trying to change this... |
Komi Toran
Perkone Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2014.05.27 02:45:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:People keep saying tax, yet every time I buy from a US reseller only the listed price comes out of my account, no extra tax....... Because, generally, it is legally your responsibility to pay the use tax to your state, not the online retailers'. (although it's not uncommon for states to require online retailers to collect sales taxes on sales within state when the retailer has a physical presence there).
Of course, few people do this, so, in practice, it's often "tax free." |
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
16
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Posted - 2014.05.27 03:58:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Greckor Arrkana wrote:EDIT: Thanks for the answer CCP Falcon No worries! xD
Another thing to consider is online sales in the us don't have sales tax unless the vendor is physically located in your state. |
Sibyyl
Brave Collective
1323
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Posted - 2014.05.27 04:41:00 -
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Adriana Nolen wrote:Another thing to consider is online sales in the us don't have sales tax unless the vendor is physically located in your state. Many states (like mine) have changed this law and many more are expected to follow. Travel to exotic solar systems, meet interesting and stimulating people of an ancient culture, and strip ore from their ship hulls. Join BOVRL. Blood Miners take SOV.-á |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
15662
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Posted - 2014.05.27 05:18:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Greckor Arrkana wrote:Currently the cost of Plex is nowhere near fair for all members of the community. Looking at amazon currently the cost of 6 Plex is substantially disproportionately cheap for all american players.
USA: $104.97 Germany: Gé¼89.99 ($122.77) UK: -ú89.99 ($151.59)
On average the Americans save $32.21, anyone purchasing plex to increase there ISK is surely at an advantage if they are american. And considering this is a global server this certainly isn't fair on all members of the community. ( Which is why buying ISK outwith CCP is against rules)
If someone could explain why? Or even include the cost in their currency which isn't there. The discrepancy between US and EU prices is due to tax differences. By law, EU prices have to be advertised inclusive of VAT, this is anywhere between 12-27% depending on the country you're buying in. US Prices do not have to be advertised with state/federal sales tax included, this is why the prices appear lower.
When did the uk VAT rate go up to 44.4 percent? I missed that announcement. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Ren Coursa
Rapid Withdrawal
18
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Posted - 2014.05.27 06:27:00 -
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My, completely unhelpful and sort of dickish, 2 cents is that if this discrepancy in price bothers you and your finances enough to take it to the forums, you probably shouldn't be spending the money on a game either way. |
Talia Prime
Imperial Militia
33
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Posted - 2014.05.27 07:54:00 -
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Hint: Don't buy from Amazon. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10767
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Posted - 2014.05.27 08:17:00 -
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Unezka Turigahl wrote:Buying stuff online in the US is mostly free of tax. But they are trying to change this...
This isn't entirely true. Vendors pay a sales tax for goods they sell to consumers in their home state, and consumers are expected to pay a use tax for goods they consume in one state but purchase in another. But most consumers are unaware of use taxes and end up not paying them. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
1104
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Posted - 2014.05.27 11:30:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Greckor Arrkana wrote:Currently the cost of Plex is nowhere near fair for all members of the community. Looking at amazon currently the cost of 6 Plex is substantially disproportionately cheap for all american players. The discrepancy between US and EU prices is due to tax differences. By law, EU prices have to be advertised inclusive of VAT, this is anywhere between 12-27% depending on the country you're buying in. US Prices do not have to be advertised with state/federal sales tax included, this is why the prices appear lower. When did the uk VAT rate go up to 44.4 percent? I missed that announcement. Please note that OP is using Amazon prices.
Amazon are free to set their own prices for any market they operate in.
CCP can't force any reseller to use the same price globally, nor can they force any reseller to offer the same deals everywhere.
CCP can control their own prices, both to end users and to resellers, but not what margin the resellers add.
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Rystan Wildstar
Deep Core Mineral Extraction Eagle Cross
13
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Posted - 2014.05.27 13:33:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:Malcanis wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Greckor Arrkana wrote:Currently the cost of Plex is nowhere near fair for all members of the community. Looking at amazon currently the cost of 6 Plex is substantially disproportionately cheap for all american players. The discrepancy between US and EU prices is due to tax differences. By law, EU prices have to be advertised inclusive of VAT, this is anywhere between 12-27% depending on the country you're buying in. US Prices do not have to be advertised with state/federal sales tax included, this is why the prices appear lower. When did the uk VAT rate go up to 44.4 percent? I missed that announcement. Please note that OP is using Amazon prices. Amazon are free to set their own prices for any market they operate in. CCP can't force any reseller to use the same price globally, nor can they force any reseller to offer the same deals everywhere. CCP can control their own prices, both to end users and to resellers, but not what margin the resellers add.
The Amazon price is generally the same as if I log into my account and buy directly from CCP. I've seen the 2 pack on sale once for $4 less on Amazon back in April for a few days. I'm going to add the 6 pack to my watched list and see if Amazon does a sale on those. |
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Eurynome Mangeiri
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
68
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Posted - 2014.05.27 13:40:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Greckor Arrkana wrote:Currently the cost of Plex is nowhere near fair for all members of the community. Looking at amazon currently the cost of 6 Plex is substantially disproportionately cheap for all american players.
USA: $104.97 Germany: Gé¼89.99 ($122.77) UK: -ú89.99 ($151.59)
On average the Americans save $32.21, anyone purchasing plex to increase there ISK is surely at an advantage if they are american. And considering this is a global server this certainly isn't fair on all members of the community. ( Which is why buying ISK outwith CCP is against rules)
If someone could explain why? Or even include the cost in their currency which isn't there. The discrepancy between US and EU prices is due to tax differences. By law, EU prices have to be advertised inclusive of VAT, this is anywhere between 12-27% depending on the country you're buying in. US Prices do not have to be advertised with state/federal sales tax included, this is why the prices appear lower. yeah, sure.
now please go do the math, and read your own post again.
yes, you can hide in my pocket....... |
Locii
Zebra Corp Gentlemen's Agreement
38
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Posted - 2014.05.27 14:32:00 -
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http://www.evetimecode.com
they don't care where you live and sell to you in $. if your not American never buy plex directly from ccp |
Aralez
Epidemic. Nulli Secunda
33
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Posted - 2014.05.27 15:05:00 -
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Greckor Arrkana wrote:Currently the cost of Plex is nowhere near fair for all members of the community. Looking at amazon currently the cost of 6 Plex is substantially disproportionately cheap for all american players.
USA: $104.97 Germany: Gé¼89.99 ($122.77) UK: -ú89.99 ($151.59)
On average the Americans save $32.21, anyone purchasing plex to increase there ISK is surely at an advantage if they are american. And considering this is a global server this certainly isn't fair on all members of the community. ( Which is why buying ISK outwith CCP is against rules)
If someone could explain why? Or even include the cost in their currency which isn't there.
cause frankly USA is awesome... till you get a medical bill. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2774
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Posted - 2014.05.27 16:33:00 -
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Andski wrote:Unezka Turigahl wrote:Buying stuff online in the US is mostly free of tax. But they are trying to change this... This isn't entirely true. Vendors pay a sales tax for goods they sell to consumers in their home state, and consumers are expected to pay a use tax for goods they consume in one state but purchase in another. But most consumers are unaware of use taxes and end up not paying them.
Correct. Just because most people fail to pay their sales and use tax liability does not mean that it doesn't exist. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
3202
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Posted - 2014.05.27 19:43:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Greckor Arrkana wrote: isn't fair I agree Lets make it fair then, shall we? CCP! We demand you increase all PLEX to the most expensive rate IMMEADIATELY! This is usually what happens when there's a protest about unequal treatment. "It's not fair, the employees in Subsidiary Company X get more of their insurance premiums paid for than we do in Subsidiary Y!" Solution: Eliminate the benefit for the guys in Subsidiary X, now everybody pays the same higher rate. "Were [sic] not your monkey and so what?"-á -The Sex Pistols (2006) |
Varesk
Carried Hate
557
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Posted - 2014.05.27 21:43:00 -
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Merrica,
****,
Yeah!
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Gospadin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
139
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Posted - 2014.05.27 22:13:00 -
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Varesk wrote:Merrica,
****,
Yeah!
Technically, it's:
'Murica! **** Yea! |
Zorena
The Red Circle Inc.
7
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Posted - 2014.05.27 22:31:00 -
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And FInland/+àland islands have to pay Gé¼104.97.. 143 U.S. dollars |
D'Kelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2014.06.02 13:17:00 -
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Don't forget guys that a lot of countries are strapped for cash; But they excel in their ability to tax you any which way and more, so as any chancellor from any country needs to increase his/her countries income with the absolute minimum of effort this is one lucrative way for it to be done. cynical? maybe, but there it is. however the base rate of the virtual product less any tax unique to any local bandit, er sorry, ahem tax /revenue system should be the same it should not cost any more at PRE TAX rate to sell in Australia, China, America, UK, Germany etc. only the tax added later should make a difference, unless a company is pitching a product upon a perception that country 'A' can afford a product more than in country 'B' or are attempting to sway/encourage a given customer base by a base price difference. |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
58
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Posted - 2014.06.02 16:21:00 -
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Zorena wrote:And FInland/+àland islands have to pay Gé¼104.97.. 143 U.S. dollars
Finland Finland Finland. The country where I want to beeeee your mountains so lofty............. |
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