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Twilight Moon
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Posted - 2006.06.06 11:00:00 -
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Wtf?
Do some anti-pirates ransom the pirates they are chasing?
Thats not anti-piracy, thats just basic piracy. If you want to be an anti-pirate, you just mercilessly kill them. Pod too if you can get it. About the blobing....well, it helps the reinforce the notion in the pirates head that any nastiness will be met with a much larger bit of nastiness. 
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Bezz
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Posted - 2006.06.06 15:14:00 -
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Edited by: Bezz on 06/06/2006 15:14:29
 Originally by: Yu Bin'had
In my experience pirates are more honorable as a general rule. I think the key to this is the different motovations between the two professions.
- Pirates motivation is generally to have a good time, which is positive.
- Anti-pirates motivation is often hate or revenge, which is kinda negative.
or put another way -
Pirates motivation is generally greed , which is kinda negative 
Anti-pirates motivation is often justice, which is positive
Perspective, its all about which side of the fence you are sat on
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abraheam
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Posted - 2006.06.06 16:24:00 -
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What about people who are just defending their space and kill gankers, aka self defined pirates.
someone who kills a pirate in their space doasnt really make them anti-pirates. That would indicate that pirates are actually relevant.
95% of pirates that I have come across have no signifigant impact on the area that they are in. If they did they would be known as a mercinaries. There are of course exceptions to this.
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2006.06.06 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Gen Kumon
Edited by: Gen Kumon on 05/06/2006 01:08:58
I've very rarely engaged anti-pirates myself...I'm more likely to be fighting rival pirates. That said, when a pirate breaks his word, he's more or less blacklisted by the pirate community at large. When an anti-pirate breaks his word, his or her peers pat them on the back and tell them they did a good job, as long as a pirate ends up dead.
Edit: And if you really want proof, just go hunting through some of the various anti-pirate posts in this very forum. I may even do it myself and post some links in here if the thread's still active in the morning.
There are tossers on both sides, if this happens in Huzzah I go barmy at the person and usually pay the victim his ISK for a ship and pod etc.
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merv1
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Posted - 2006.06.07 06:14:00 -
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As someone has already said, if an "Anti-pirate" is ransoming then that makes him a pirate as well. To those I applaude them, why shouldn't pirates be victimized as they do?
There is no justice system imposed by concord in the low security systems, that is left to the players. I have never once heard anyone complain about being blobbed by Concord, why do pirates whine about being blobbed by anti-pirates?
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Kadreal
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Posted - 2006.06.07 08:25:00 -
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The difference between a concord blob and an Anti-pirate blob is the concord blob doesn't insult you and call you a coward for not coming out and fighting the 5 on 1.
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Je'hira Osiris
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Posted - 2006.06.07 11:52:00 -
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in my experience NO!
Anti pirate :-
1:- Blob more
2:- smak more
3:- are even more dishonest.
4:- when they say 1v1 they mean lest meet then the rest of my friends can shoot u.
to be honest Real PVPer pirate coz only they have the proper experence. only only once you focus on pvp you are called a pirate.
Respect can be found for your enemy.... its jus a case of how hard you wanna look...
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2006.06.07 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Je'hira Osiris
in my experience NO!
Anti pirate :-
1:- Blob more
2:- smak more
3:- are even more dishonest.
4:- when they say 1v1 they mean lest meet then the rest of my friends can shoot u.
to be honest Real PVPer pirate coz only they have the proper experence. only only once you focus on pvp you are called a pirate.
I've met some pirates that can fill local with smack liek the best of 'em.
Both sides have good people and bad.
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Huzzah Federation
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Xori Ruscuv
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Posted - 2006.06.08 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: Je'hira Osiris
1:- Blob more
It seems all ANYONE does anymore is blob. 
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.06.09 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
Tough question to answer, given that most people forget this is a roleplaying game and relate too closely to the characters they play.
Is piracy honorable? No. Never has been. Killing unarmed people and taking their stuff is generally the antithesis of "honor." But...put it in a game and suddenly it's fun. And it IS fun...everybody wants to be a badguy at some point and feed their dark side or whatever. Nothing wrong with that. I think the problem so many pirates have is that they (the player) are not bad people and get a little butt-hurt when they're reminded that they (the character) are in fact badguys.
As for pirate hunters? Well, there are multiple styles. For extremists, the ends justify the means. They're not after honor, they're after justice. And killing a pirate (remembering that pirates are "badguys") is justice no matter the means of killing that pirate. For other pirate hunters, honor means a great deal...to forget one's honor is to forget what makes you "better" than the pirate you kill. (Understanding that we are talking about characters here, not the people playing them.)
Now...addressing the people behind pirates and pirate hunters? Let's face it: we're all the same. We're playing this fantastic scifi space combat game and just having a whole lot of fun. Anyone who thinks that any certain type of person is more attracted to piracy or anti-piracy needs to get their head out of the sand.
As a somewhat related footnote...there IS a difference between people who enjoy the combat aspects of Eve and those who enjoy the financial/industrial aspects. That's another part of the magic of Eve: it attracts people of multiple play styles...indeed, to maintain economic balance in the game it NEEDS people of multiple play styles.
Said it all as far as I'm concerned, take particular note of the bold bit.
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Lexa A
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Posted - 2006.06.09 14:50:00 -
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The old school pirates Play for fun. Thay do things like load a geddon up with smartbombs and leroy some gate camp, thay fly around in weak ships looking for fair fights.
But there is a new wave of pirates that just hunt kil mails, people who fly domi's and whine when you wont fight them 1 vs 1.
its no diferate with anti pirates, some of thw old school ones where fun, new ones just suck ...
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John Renwick
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Posted - 2006.06.09 22:35:00 -
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The term 'anti-pirate' is misleading - players commonly referred to as 'anti-pirates' are really just 'legal pirates' or privateers because they are essentially pirates that hunt within the restrictions set by CONCORD.
Most people that call themselves 'anti-pirates' anyway tend to just be plain pirates themselves anyway.
As for 'honor' - since we are talking about a game*, what people consider as 'honor', or just fairness, really has no place. That includes the issues of using warp core stabilizers, nosferatus, blobbing, etc.. Respect and honesty, however, are important if you wish to have a good reputation.
Ransom does have to do with honesty - if you offer ransom, it is dishonest to dishonor that ransom. I would limit it to true pirates RP-wise just because why would a loyal government-sanctioned privateer take a bribe to let a pirate go free???
*=Stressed because so many people take EVE, which is just a game where you can interact with others, overseriously
(Yes I'm bored, and no I don't use warp core stabilizers if I am hunting pirates) 
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Mishima
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Posted - 2006.06.09 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kyguard
I think you'll find asshats on both sides.
However, I do think that the 0.0 anti-pirates tend to be more honourable and generally more professional in their work. I've heard some things about empire anti-pirates.. gah 
Not RLY TBH
Anti-Pirates don't ransom pirates since they are anti-pirates and not out to make a profit.
They aren't Anti-pirates if they shoot neutrals.
Anti-pirates aren't anti-pirates if they ransom.
More professional my ANUS. - Antipirates don't ransom and those who aren't pirates and are trying to ransom are probably doing it for the 1st time... I've known of a case, not with me tho where a pirate got ransomed by anti-pirates he payed and the ransomee released him then a frigate on his team podded him. YAY.
True pirates don't betray ransoms. Nor do they agress you if they say "you may pass" those who do are just low-lives desperate for a crappy killmail or their name on "involved parties".
They should all go play singleplayer games where they can feel important.
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Lord WarATron
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Posted - 2006.06.10 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Any anti-pirate that would try to ransom a pirate has thereby proved that he isn't true to his profession and quite possibly dishonorable. Most real anti-pirates don't ransom.
Shamis
Not really. I held a pirate randsom until he paid the victim for a new ship. Which he promptly did. On another occasion, I held another pirate randsom for attacking young players. The conditions of the randsom were that he never returns to pirate on newbies.
As for isk, no I have never asked anyone for money for myself.
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Voculus
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Posted - 2006.06.10 06:11:00 -
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Most people that call themselves 'anti-pirates' anyway tend to just be plain pirates themselves anyway.
How do you figure? Pirates get their low sec by blowing away every shuttle and hauler they see, and stealing their stuff. Anti-pirates hunt those that did the killing. Explain how that makes them pirates as well.
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