I am told eve was designed to mimic the real world as much as possible in most aspects of the game. So in the real world, self destructing your ship ( or scuttling as its called in the Naval parlance) should render your ship and everything on it completely useless to any aggressors.

Is this true in eve? or is it just basically a use less option that does nothing but end a fight allowing the aggressors to take still be able to use any survivable equipment? GM or DEV input appreciated. Thanks!

I always liked the idea of self-destruct causing an AoE explosion, so you can damage your attackers (not strictly kill them) but also taking a security hit in high sec since you are technically using a smart bomb. Just an option for people to use if you know you're ship is doomed.

But then think of your poor ship crew when you do it, one thing to be killed in combat, another to be killed by your own ships Capsuleer in petty revenge.

I am told eve was designed to mimic the real world as much as possible in most aspects of the game. So in the real world, self destructing your ship ( or scuttling as its called in the Naval parlance) should render your ship and everything on it completely useless to any aggressors.

Really? I didn't realise in real life when a ship was scuttled it atomised so there was no potential for a wreck to salvage. You learn something new every day.

Oooor, scuttling a ship merely makes it impossible to be stolen or captured intact (and in truth, is no different to it just being blown the crap up), and in this case it does the exact same in EvE.

It would only make sense that a similar functioning method would be properly balanced in EvE. Not completely lopsided so that only one side wins.

I am told eve was designed to mimic the real world as much as possible in most aspects of the game. So in the real world, self destructing your ship ( or scuttling as its called in the Naval parlance) should render your ship and everything on it completely useless to any aggressors.

Is this true in eve? or is it just basically a use less option that does nothing but end a fight allowing the aggressors to take still be able to use any survivable equipment? GM or DEV input appreciated. Thanks!

I've always felt that a self destruct feature should be a last resort option. You know you have no way out so instead of giving the aggressors the satisfaction of getting a kill and loot you self destruct. I also think a self destruct should send out a wave of destruction damaging anything in its radius, with damage varying depending on the size of the ship. This way you don't have a bunch of suicide Ibis' running into a fight. I also think you should be able to control the timer. Too much can happen in two minutes.

As it stands now, the self destruct feature is almost useless.

Any ship that is capable of carrying nuclear warheads can be manually detonated in extreme situations.

Any ship that is capable of carrying nuclear warheads can be manually detonated in extreme situations.

Really? I didn't realise in real life when a ship was scuttled it atomised so there was no potential for a wreck to salvage. You learn something new every day.

Oooor, scuttling a ship merely makes it impossible to be stolen or captured intact (and in truth, is no different to it just being blown the crap up), and in this case it does the exact same in EvE.

I sure as **** hope not.

Realism was never a part of EVE. It's closer than most games but it's still a game and therefore can never be realistic.

In real life delicate computer and mechanical components don't tend to survive massive explosions unscathed. Since ships in EVE are almost always over 100m+ long any explosion that destroys the ship should ruin any working components. That's why I like the salvaging feature so much, you get burnt out, damaged or malfunctioning parts and scrap metal, which is what would be left in a destroyed ship.

In EVE you don't even need to repair the modules you loot from wrecks, you can slap it straight on your hull. Not realistic. You should get salvaged parts and a lump of scrap metal equal to or less than the total mass of the ship, not intact ammo, turrets, launchers or hull plates. That's just weird.

Not completely lopsided so that only one side wins.

A better question is;

Is there a disadvantage?

I am told eve was designed to mimic the real world as much as possible in most aspects of the game. So in the real world, self destructing your ship ( or scuttling as its called in the Naval parlance) should render your ship and everything on it completely useless to any aggressors.

Is this true in eve? or is it just basically a use less option that does nothing but end a fight allowing the aggressors to take still be able to use any survivable equipment? GM or DEV input appreciated. Thanks!

1. Deny the enemy a killmail
2. Take out some of your cargo in the process (Used to be everything but not anymore)
3. Easy way to find an exit to a wormhole (destruct your pod)
4. Fireworks are pretty

Realism was never a part of EVE. It's closer than most games but it's still a game and therefore can never be realistic.

Oh, of course, but that applies both to self destruction and destruction at someone elses hands. The OP was pushing for self-destruction being somehow a "more effective" means of destroying your own ship, based on the fact that "it is" in real life. I was merely contesting that point, because as far as I can tell (of course, I'm no expert here), it isn't.

Not exactly an answer but somewhat humourous...

I screwed up my first training mission and quit out and requested it again. As a consequence I ended up with two Velator's. I wasn't sure what to do with the first one so I self destructed and ejected to the second one.

It was after that when I discovered I could have sold it. Duh!

The good news is I sold all the ones I got when I kept screwing up subsequent missions. Ended up with a wad of ISK.

You used to be able to self-destruct your ship to prevent it's cargo and modules from falling into the enemy hands. It also provided the victim with a bargaining chip for settling on a ransom rather than total destruction. With a two minute timer though, such cases were not very common.

Recently CCP changed mechanics so that self-destructing has the same effect as your ship being blown up so it is no longer a viable tactic.

Last measure. Pah! When engaging an enemy, you activate self destruct. If you cannot defeat the enemy before the timer is down, you will go down in flames. This will motivate everyone to kill the target as quickly as possible and not bother with dishonourable things like repairs or logistics. Low slots are all damage and application mods and a number of expanded cargoholds to denote your rank. Only once no enemy is left on grid are you allowed to disengage self destruct. Anyone forfeiting this codex gets kicked and declared kill on sight as a filthy heretic.

Come on, go get your answer the scientific way, not by asking.

Go in game and do it. You'll find out all you need to know through experiencing it.

Simply put, it prevents griefing by players holding another player tackled for hours on end.

i just wish the self destruct button was behind 10 or 20 drop-downs, because i've almost clicked that ****** soooo many times.

I've always felt that a self destruct feature should be a last resort option. You know you have no way out so instead of giving the aggressors the satisfaction of getting a kill and loot you self destruct. I also think a self destruct should send out a wave of destruction damaging anything in its radius, with damage varying depending on the size of the ship. This way you don't have a bunch of suicide Ibis' running into a fight. I also think you should be able to control the timer. Too much can happen in two minutes.

As it stands now, the self destruct feature is almost useless.

I appear to be the only one to use self destruct to indicate boredom during structure bashing ops.

Really? I didn't realise in real life when a ship was scuttled it atomised so there was no potential for a wreck to salvage. You learn something new every day.

Oooor, scuttling a ship merely makes it impossible to be stolen or captured intact (and in truth, is no different to it just being blown the crap up), and in this case it does the exact same in EvE.

I think the change to allow killmails when self destructing is right. I still think it should destroy all loot if you do it though. Like a last middle finger before you pop.

Simply put, it prevents griefing by players holding another player tackled for hours on end.

Put cyno in safespot and start selfdestruct. 5 seconds before your ship explodes, light cyno and jump in titan. Hopefully cyno dies before anyone warps to it and your titan can cloak in safety.

That is what self destruct is for along with moving cyno alts.

I don't think scuttling a ship renders much of it useless. Spiking the guns before scuttling will render those useless, somewhat. However, a ship is rather HUGE to completely - disappear? There's salvaging, of course, for metals, etc. Yet, so many of the component parts are recoverable. Scuttling was used mainly to block navigation ways, or access to or egress from ports. Scuttling a ship to prevent the enemy from capturing any part of it...not so much.

I think the change to allow killmails when self destructing is right. I still think it should destroy all loot if you do it though. Like a last middle finger before you pop.

I think the change to allow killmails when self destructing is right. I still think it should destroy all loot if you do it though. Like a last middle finger before you pop.

In the real world all that is needed would be to open the fairwater valves in main engineering to flood the ship and set scuttling charges through out the ship in key locations to speed up the destruction. Any ship that is capable of carrying nuclear warheads can be manually detonated in extreme situations. Even though such acts in this age would be extremely rare, war ships do have the means to be scuttled or violently disposed of. Since EVE mimics the real world in some degree. It would only make sense that a similar functioning method would be properly balanced in EvE. Not completely lopsided so that only one side wins.

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