There should not be so much difference between PVE and PVP.

New player should be able to learn PVP while doing PVE missions. PVE fittings should be more like PVP fits even if they could be more specialized because of NPC specialization (resit and damage type, type of EWAR)

But for te moment, rating is boring and quite illogic as explained in this article http://evenews24.com/2014/05/27/how-pve-should-work-in-eve-online/.
It is true that pirates should not be there waiting to be attacked.
The NPC mechanics should be more PVP like. Game mechanics should not be different between players and NPCs. For example, no NPC frigates should be able to ECM or target at 200km.
When you face a NPC fleet you should be able to see a strategy even if it is a very simple one.
Frigates rush you to tackle/web BS and BC are doing damage, specialized ships are repairing the fleet and aplly Ewar. Some Waves have a FC that worth much more bounty and have much more loot, he warps off if its fleet is about to lose the fight though. The rest of the fleet warps of when he is destroyed too. It is a Dread or an Officer GǪ.
When you arrive on them Pirates are already doing something. They protect a stronghold, or they attack a convoy or a mining fleet (a player or a NPC one)GǪ You can find them by warping on the convoy, the mining fleet or their stronghold. Or perharps it is them that come to you.
I you want to play pirate, you can also attack NPC convoys or NPC Mining Fleet. If you do so, It is a NPC defense fleet that is coming of the same NPC corpo. They donGÇÖt have bounties but they have loots that you can take (So yes pirates need more cargohold)
While you are fighting the NPC defense, it is possible that pirates come to fight everyone and steal the convoyGǪ
These mechanics make the fights less predictable and more tactic. If you add the risk to be engage by other player, I think the game would become really more fun.

Add a few missions with rats that act like capsuleers, something like ship popt, then their pod ransomed then pods them, for that real pvp experience. maybe smack talks to them in local, possibly follows them to the station and camps them for days on end?

So effectively cutting out the little guy (possibly a noob) who is in an NPC\small corp from ninja-mining and making his way up in EvE and letting the bigger entities have more

It is about game mechanics not game experience.

Excellent idea!! :-)
No let such ugly methods to Goons and other bad people like them....

It is about game mechanics not game experience.

In fact I think that PVP and PVE should be melted.
I think players should receive PVP missions from NPC, and NPC should receive misssions from players that could become PVP.
For example a NPC could give a mission to find and destroy a player with a Bounty on him and a Bad Standing with the NPC corpo.
A player with the good standings, could give an order to a NPC corp to mine and/or transport goods for him. With the risk that these NPC would be ganked. He could escort this convoy if he want.
A player with good standings could pay a NPC corp to have a NPC escort.

It would give opportunity for player to attack the NPC escort or the NPC convay and/or the other Players.

A player with two accounts could of course create a mission with one and attack it with the other... It is not a problem as it become a way to do PVE. And with the risk that other players come to change the plans...

PVE will always be a little different thant PVP as NPC will always be predictable.

But you just said it's about teaching people to PVP via the PVE system...

PVE in this game is terrible ,boring no story and generally you just do it to make isk.A lot of people have suggested PVP missions or similar ,bosses,more challenging random PVE events etc but in my 2 year of play I have never seen a PVE improvement from CCP.They only fix ships "balance" ships weapons etc.Nothing more or exciting for people who want to PVE a little.

I expect CCP to blind-side us with it, and not even hint that the dangers on the "other side" will be significantly harder than what we've faced in the past.

When the features came out, people died in droves because they were completely unfit for the challenges that these new features provided.

i dnt remember ppl dying in droves, but ppl certainly started to lose their drones. there are still whine threads popping up now about how they want the changes rolled back.

id like any idea that makes PvE more of a challenge and closer to PvP. Randomly generated spawns, fleet compositions designed with a tactic in mind. That sort of stuff. The hard part would be getting the AI to be smart though. its inevitable that players will learn everything about any new behavior and it will become dull again very quickly.


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I think he is referring to when Incursions were first launched and people flew into fiery hells...never to emerge with their ships intact.

That, and the sleepers too.

So much surprise NPC buttseks from those two expansions.

i dnt remember ppl dying in droves, but ppl certainly started to lose their drones. there are still whine threads popping up now about how they want the changes rolled back.

id like any idea that makes PvE more of a challenge and closer to PvP. Randomly generated spawns, fleet compositions designed with a tactic in mind. That sort of stuff. The hard part would be getting the AI to be smart though. its inevitable that players will learn everything about any new behavior and it will become dull again very quickly.


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No

PVP is good how it is because it takes tactics, and personal skill to win "small fleet / solo"

PVE all it takes is the right ship fitting and the ability to watch a movie at the same time so you don't get board.

Yes, the idea is to better understand the effect of ranges, speed, tracking, logistics, ewar, tanking, but with NPC.

So it's not intended to teach anything about tactics or even hint at likley scenarios, the sole purpose is to teach game mechanics?

So it's not intended to teach anything about tactics or even hint at likley scenarios, the sole purpose is to teach game mechanics?

i dnt remember ppl dying in droves, but ppl certainly started to lose their drones. there are still whine threads popping up now about how they want the changes rolled back.

id like any idea that makes PvE more of a challenge and closer to PvP. Randomly generated spawns, fleet compositions designed with a tactic in mind. That sort of stuff. The hard part would be getting the AI to be smart though. its inevitable that players will learn everything about any new behavior and it will become dull again very quickly.


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