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Sha Xian
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Posted - 2006.06.05 18:08:00 -
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I knew it was bad, but mean...
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Saw a *snip* dude in Akora just now. Sweet I thought, I'll chase him to Messoya. Caught up with him and it was an Eagle. Agressed him in my rax, pooned the hell out of him and he warps off in armour with 2 pts on him.
I engaged in a friendly convo with him stating how much I love it when my enemies use stabs and he says "all the clever pvp'ers use them"
Thats a quote off our internal forum, I took the name out to keep away the flaming that would have followed otherwise.
Has this seriously what it has boiled down to, that we shouldn't even bother putting in a scrambler?
*sigh* 
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Hunters Presence
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Posted - 2006.06.05 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: Hunters Presence on 05/06/2006 18:18:16
Originally by: Sha Xian
Has this seriously what it has boiled down to, that we shouldn't even bother putting in a scrambler?
*sigh*
I met an Apoc today. It tanked my fire indefinately against my 2 guns. Clearly I shouldn't even bother with guns anymore. NERF NERF!
Ammendum:
...and of course I then met a Scorpion. It has SIX, I mean SIX multispectrals and I couldn't hit it at all. NERF NERF!
I'm just in one of these moods...
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Sakura Nihil
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Posted - 2006.06.05 18:12:00 -
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These are the same people complain when we bring ganksquads to nail them later...
If you're not going to risk your ship, stay out of combat.
1st Lieutenant Sakura Nihil
CEO, Tharsis Security
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Yarek Balear
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Posted - 2006.06.05 18:15:00 -
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Apparently so... I heard about a Scorp camping a gate and popping anything that moved through it, so I jumped in my Thron & attacked him. At 10% armour he warped off and started smacking in local that I'd run away - fortunately I'd frapsed it and offered him the footage (no reply to that). When I asked if I'd had 2 points of scramble instead of 1 if it would have made a difference and he said no... Guess he must have been a good PVPer 
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Sha Xian
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Posted - 2006.06.05 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Yarek Balear
Apparently so... I heard about a Scorp camping a gate and popping anything that moved through it, so I jumped in my Thron & attacked him. At 10% armour he warped off and started smacking in local that I'd run away - fortunately I'd frapsed it and offered him the footage (no reply to that). When I asked if I'd had 2 points of scramble instead of 1 if it would have made a difference and he said no... Guess he must have been a good PVPer
Gadamn he's good.
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Sha Xian
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Posted - 2006.06.05 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Cucumber
Hint: Tacklers.
Tacklers aren't always around.
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Electric Cucumber
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Posted - 2006.06.05 18:20:00 -
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Hint: Tacklers.
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ZzeusS
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Posted - 2006.06.05 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sha Xian
Originally by: Electric Cucumber
Hint: Tacklers.
Tacklers aren't always around.
Then I guess you don't get to tackle them, and off they fly like a little bird. 
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2006.06.05 19:49:00 -
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Have come across pirates with lots of WCS so I don't quite understand this whining about it.
Thing is ... you do what you do to survive!!! simple as that, I for example don't attack (and I know pirates think alike) people I don't think I can beat!!!
If it where like that I might as well blow up my own ship.
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Tuang Pao
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Posted - 2006.06.05 19:56:00 -
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Y'all have some pathological aversion to teamwork?
Two or three tacklers and one or two heavyweights and suddenly WCS aren't such a big deal.
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Garreck
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Posted - 2006.06.05 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sha Xian
Has this seriously what it has boiled down to, that we shouldn't even bother putting in a scrambler?
Well that's cognitive disonnance if I ever saw it.
The solution is quite the opposite: fit two. Or as has been mentioned, fly with a wingman.
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Merdaneth
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Posted - 2006.06.05 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Nihil
If you're not going to risk your ship, stay out of combat.
You mean you never engage when the odds are overwhelmingly in your favor?
Because most times I am attacked by another player is when he has a clear advantage and little to no risk of losing his ship.
If you have a problem with stabs, say so, but don't come with a nonsense statement. Attacking when you have a minimal risk to lose your ship is the bread and butter of all PvPers.
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Garreck
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Posted - 2006.06.05 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
Attacking when you have a minimal risk to lose your ship is the bread and butter of all PvPers.
Can't agree with that. Minimizing risk is the bread and butter of PvPers...but "having a minimal risk" is a bit different. There are plenty of PvPers who like to engage outnumbered and/or outgunned, but who minimize risk through superior recon, ship fittings, and teamwork.
Obviously engaging outnumbered and outgunned is not "minimal risk," but steps can be taken (and SHOULD be taken) to minimize the risk.
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Lt Hole
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Posted - 2006.06.05 20:15:00 -
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Try...
Warp bubbles.
Interdictors.
Multiple ships / team scrambling.
Mount more scramblers yourself.
Insta damage using multiple quick lockers.
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Cadela Fria
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Posted - 2006.06.05 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Nihil
These are the same people complain when we bring ganksquads to nail them later...
If you're not going to risk your ship, stay out of combat.
TBH you, nor anyone else have the right to dictate what people put on their ships...if someone wants to outfit their ship with stabs in all lowslots, then thats their right.
If you can't deal with that, it seems more like you're the one needing to stay out of combat.
Simple fact is, you win some, you lose some.
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Thnikkaman
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Posted - 2006.06.05 21:47:00 -
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Finds some new enemies, ones that want -and can- fight. It really is that simple.
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Murukan
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Posted - 2006.06.05 22:04:00 -
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problem is if you fly with wingmen as taclkers then the people ***** and moan that you are some noob who needs to blob to win. If you fly solo with the standard single scrambler they warp off due to stabs. So you can either not get the kill, get smacked for not being able to kill them, or bring friends to get the kill, and get smacked for being a lame blobber.
Personally i think stabs should have a huge reduction on combat effectiveness. They are great for travel, i use them on my haulers, but damn why would any self respecting combat pilot bring a travel setup to a fight cause you don't have the balls to risk your pretty ship. I remember hearing an eve saying "Don't fly what you can't afford" It seems though that this has been changed to "Stab up what you can't afford"
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SmokeMeAKipper
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Posted - 2006.06.05 22:16:00 -
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if you are going to whine about WCS please put it in the subject so the majority of us can ignore the thread
thanks
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Izo Azlion
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Posted - 2006.06.05 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Hole
Try...
Warp bubbles.
Interdictors.
Multiple ships / team scrambling.
Mount more scramblers yourself.
Insta damage using multiple quick lockers.
And what, dear fellow, happens when this is nay possible? They get away.
Solo hunting is beyond those that wish to do it, its but a myth constructed by people with the odd story to pass down to younger characters, to inspire them into the combat that is so easily escaped.
OP is right. I once "fought" (locked) a Harpy (I was in mine, too) that warped off. With my inty friend, we had 2 points on it. It still warped.
2 low slots? Gimped Harpy? Yeah.
But the amount its gimped by WCS doesnt matter when it can run away from most situations.
Izo Azlion.
Sha Kharn.
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Tuang Pao
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Posted - 2006.06.05 22:43:00 -
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problem is if you fly with wingmen as taclkers then the people ***** and moan that you are some noob who needs to blob to win. If you fly solo with the standard single scrambler they warp off due to stabs. So you can either not get the kill, get smacked for not being able to kill them, or bring friends to get the kill, and get smacked for being a lame blobber.
Smacktalk? Insignificant.
Use what's effective. Results speak louder than words.
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Galan Amarias
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Posted - 2006.06.05 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Murukan
Personally i think stabs should have a huge reduction on combat effectiveness. They are great for travel, i use them on my haulers, but damn why would any self respecting combat pilot bring a travel setup to a fight cause you don't have the balls to risk your pretty ship. I remember hearing an eve saying "Don't fly what you can't afford" It seems though that this has been changed to "Stab up what you can't afford"
I agree whole heartedly but why whine when they stabb. Stabbs do provide a huge reduction in combat effectivness, that's why the stabbed run. But if they didn't have the stabs they still couldn't afford to lose the ship so it'd be hiding up in empire probably mining some nice Veldspar. Whee!
As is they were in low sec, you blast em, they run you laugh, sure you didn't make any ISK, sure they didn't die but they ran. That's funny. If they talk smack that's just icing on the cake. Further proof that you've got balls and they don't.
nuff said.
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Psycarne
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Posted - 2006.06.05 23:04:00 -
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No need to get so dramatic over one guy warping away. You can't kill everone you engage.
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343Guiltyspark
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Posted - 2006.06.06 08:42:00 -
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I really don't see the difference here. I tried to kill a ore thief in my retriever the other day who had three stabs on his hauler. After seeing what he was up to, I went and outfitted to scramble him, and was going to use my drones to kill him. He got away, and I later saw in a kill mail in someones bio that they had killed him, and he had three warp stabs on.
You people only want it one way, your way. If you want to PvP, then you want to nerf stabs. If you want to steal, then you want to use them yourselves. Make up your minds on what you want to nerf already.
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Logi3
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Posted - 2006.06.06 09:02:00 -
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Guy most be a real nub in that Eagle. Not even a Blasterthron would get my shields past 80% with just an Invul II
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Adoro
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Posted - 2006.06.06 09:09:00 -
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Mokay, the eagle costs 100mil in Jita. The insurance is awefull so if you lose your ship, you lose nearly 100mil. Eagle doesnt really needs low slots so why dont fit wcs if cant take a loss of 100mil.
I understand why ppl in hac's and other t2 ships use wcs. Its just not worth the loss...
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Maule
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Posted - 2006.06.06 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Logi3
Guy most be a real nub in that Eagle. Not even a Blasterthron would get my shields past 80% with just an Invul II
I bet that a blasterthron whit 5 sentry drones and web+scrambler can get your shield down pretty quick
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Prestis
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Posted - 2006.06.06 18:17:00 -
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Blobbing is obviously the perfect counter to WCS. Who needs actual PvP anyway? Racing to lock the fastest so you can get your one shot in before he pops beats a good one-on-one anyday.
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Jex Jast
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Posted - 2006.06.06 20:35:00 -
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Logically, this is pretty easy to trace. Cause and effect, my friends.
Initiating event: Pirates kill people.
Effect: People fit MWDs to escape.
Cause: Pirates whine about MWDs.
Effect: MWD energy requirements go up.
Result: People start fitting stabs.
Cause: Stab fitting.
Effect: Start sniping.
We have yet to see what happens to ruin sniping, but I can't wait. Lawl. Maybe I'll be a sniper just so I can whine when they nerf me.
Belt pirating would be great if not for WCS. So instead it's gonna be "warp in, instalock, instapop, scramble pod, ransom".
Making my inty useless...damnit!
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Helganstandt
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Posted - 2006.06.06 22:52:00 -
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I dunno, I always figured people who complain about stabs are the same types that think they should win because they have a good setup and can press f1 through f8 the fastest.
Eve PVP really should be more about tactics than the best setup. WCS work for getting away; good tactics work for killing people with WCS, and if you don't like to think too much, blob tactics work pretty well too.
Even then, just sticking another scrambler instead of a webber will kill 95% of the WCS fitted people. At least it works for me when I pirate. I think people are just too lazy to find a new way of doing things, and can't change their OMG-SO-UBER setup with a webber.
I guess I'll never really understand the mentality of complaining to get things to change. It's different if something is so overpowered that it needs to be nerfed, but for WCS...it's just so simple to work around, it makes me think less of the general intelligence of the people who complain about them.
But whatever. Should WCS change, I'm sure there will be other things that need to be whined about, so it's really a never ending cycle. Keep it up guys, follow your dreams!
By the way, people are always going to whine when you kill them. Whether they do it because you blob, or because you got the jump on them, or because you just had a better setup, the whining type will whine regardless of how you kill them. So why get your feelings hurt whether they do it because of one reason or another? If you killed them, have enough confidence in yourself to say "I deserved that kill, and if he whines that's not my problem, he's just a sore loser."
Yeah, some fights are better than others, but in the end there's a winner, and a loser. If they got away, then you lost. Have some cajones and own up to the fact that they had or did something that you didn't account for. If you win, bask in the glory of the kill. The best part is, if they had WCS and you still killed them, even more reason to feel proud. Not just because you found a way around it, but because that person thought they were safe, and you still killed them. It's a really wonderful feeling, at least for me.
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