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Hyuni
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Posted - 2014.05.28 21:54:00 -
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CCP Merc wrote:Chris Winter wrote: That would mean that the OP should get Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation to partway through level V as well...
That's right, assuming of course he doesn't have Combat Drone Operation trained to V. When we determine which of the two skills (Scout and Combat Drone Operation) is higher we take into account any partial training and apply it to the new skills as well.
So after trying to catch up and skimming the 50 page original thread, what I'm getting is that if we spent an extra week training both skills to V because the dev blog said we should, we're just out of luck and wasted a week of training? Is that correct? |

Hyuni
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Posted - 2014.05.29 01:20:00 -
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The problem is that some people trained 768k sp so as to be prepared for this change and as far as anyone has said we're being granted new skills exactly the same as people who trained only 256k sp. So we've now wasted an additional week+ of training time to prepare for an announced change that was then modified 30 some pages deep in a discussion thread. It's frustrating having wasted that training time when it could have been better spent.
Seems like it wouldn't be that hard to add the sp amounts trained from the two existing skills, if total is <= 256k then assign that amount of sp for each of the new skills (double the amount for MDO as it is a rank two skill). If the total is above 256k then set all the new skills at V and put the sp minus the 256k back into the unallocated pool. As far as I can tell, and I could be missing something, this treats everyone equally and even provides a bit of an extra boost for someone who might have only trained to IV in both skills.
Being irritated about having time spent training skills tossed out the window is not asking for a handout. I'll bet there are still people training away at combat drones because they think they need it before the expansion.
Really would love to actually hear some kind of official response. |

Hyuni
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Posted - 2014.05.29 02:01:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Hyuni wrote:The problem is that some people trained 768k sp so as to be prepared for this change and as far as anyone has said we're being granted new skills exactly the same as people who trained only 256k sp. So we've now wasted an additional week+ of training time to prepare for an announced change that was then modified 30 some pages deep in a discussion thread. It's frustrating having wasted that training time when it could have been better spent. I'm sure everyone who lost billions speculating on the capital rig market for the freighter changes could have found better way for that pile of ISK. Shall we reimburse them as well? You're not getting a refund. Just drop it.
Apples and Oranges. As mentioned above, you must have forgotten to change to your CCP account. Oops! |

Hyuni
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Posted - 2014.05.29 03:16:00 -
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Rowells wrote:Hyuni wrote:Really would love to actually hear some kind of official response. They have made an official response. You're not getting free SP. Also, why did you think you would need this? CCP's policy has been "if you can fly now you can fly it after. So, why did you train the skill? Did you think CCP was gonna take away your ability to use drones? They never have and never will.
Link please? |

Hyuni
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Posted - 2014.05.29 03:41:00 -
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Rowells wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4592269#post4594548
Post #8
I think there's more but I'm on a mobile atm and searching is a *****
Thank you I had not seen that previously.
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Hyuni
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Posted - 2014.05.29 03:47:00 -
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Obviously this has been argued over more then enough so I'm not going to waste my time. Just want to say I'm disappointed in CCP over the decision to remove training from characters but they're gonna do whatever they are I guess. Would prefer to see accurate communication in the future, a much better job was done with the Destroyer/BC revamp to ensure that the community at large was aware of upcoming changes and how they would & should affect training plans.
As a player, I should never have to wonder if training a skill is a waste of time because it might be erased tomorrow. Sure I'll spend lots of time wondering if it's a waste of time because some skills are terrible but that's part of the game, erasing training shouldn't be.
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Hyuni
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Posted - 2014.05.29 03:55:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Hyuni wrote:Obviously this has been argued over more then enough so I'm not going to waste my time. Just want to say I'm disappointed in CCP over the decision to remove training from characters but they're gonna do whatever they are I guess. No training is being removed.
# of sp doesn't equal training.
In other news racial Battleship V takes too long to train. Anyone who has trained one race of Battleship to V will now get all Battleships at V. No training is being removed, sorry if you bothered to train all 4 of them previously. This is your argument. |

Hyuni
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Posted - 2014.05.29 04:08:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Hyuni wrote:# of sp doesn't equal training. GǪand no matter what, training isn't removed. If you had some trained-for bonus before, you will have it afterwards.
Ugh this is why I said I was done with this discussion. Let me see if I can simply it further. From here on out all Eve characters who have trained Drones V shall now have all drone skills at V. No training was removed. Granting equal skills to people with differing levels of skill investment is a removal of training.
I wasn't crying before, I was attempting to have a discussion but after reading responses from you and several others in this thread and another I just noticed, I'm starting to cry for the human race. Please don't reproduce. |

Hyuni
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Posted - 2014.05.29 04:19:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Hyuni wrote:Granting equal skills to people with differing levels of skill investment is a removal of training. No, it is not. Removing the abilities you've trained for is a removal of training. Others getting the same abilities you've trained for is them receiving training. This is not a zero-sum game GÇö their gain is not your loss. Learn the difference. Quote:Please don't reproduce. Sod off you whingy entitled brat.
In a game in which I'm trying to kill or avoid being killed by them, then yes their gain is my loss. This is not a single player game. Learn the difference.
i'm unsure what my lawn has to do with this and I'd personally disagree as to my whingyness (sp?), I stand by my statement regarding the benefit of your genes continuing within the human race. |

Hyuni
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Posted - 2014.05.29 04:47:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Hyuni wrote:In a game in which I'm trying to kill or avoid being killed by them GǪtheir gain is still not your loss. You are not interconnected. It is not a zero-sum game. In fact, their skill gains will happen in an utterly disconnected manner to what you do. If you think they are, you have fundamentally misunderstood how skills in EVE work and are thus pretty much disqualified from commenting on the system. Quote:i'm unsure what my lawn has to do with this and I'd personally disagree as to my whingyness (sp?) So your problem with the concepts of GǣgainGǥ and GǣlossGǥ is that you're not all that familiar with these things called GǣwordsGǥ and their meaning, then. That clear that problem up, I suppose. By keeping the abilities you trained for, you lose nothing. That's kind of what Gǣkeeping the abilities you trained forGǥ means, you know, just for future reference. The fact remains: you lose nothing. The fact that you immediately had to jump on an ad hominem because of your monumental inability to respond in an actually coherent and reasoned way proves that your argument is just a matter of idiotic entitlement, so that's another thing cleared up.
My opinion of you has nothing to with the side of the argument you are on. Let's just end this now so you don't waste any more of those limited brain cells googling big words.
o7 m8888888888888888 or whatever you pubbies do these days |
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Hyuni
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Posted - 2014.05.29 04:52:00 -
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Apocryphal Noise wrote:Hyuni wrote:Tippia wrote:Hyuni wrote:Granting equal skills to people with differing levels of skill investment is a removal of training. No, it is not. Removing the abilities you've trained for is a removal of training. Others getting the same abilities you've trained for is them receiving training. This is not a zero-sum game GÇö their gain is not your loss. Learn the difference. Quote:Please don't reproduce. Sod off you whingy entitled brat. In a game in which I'm trying to kill or avoid being killed by them, then yes their gain is my loss. This is not a single player game. Learn the difference. i'm unsure what my lawn has to do with this and I'd personally disagree as to my whingyness (sp?), I stand by my statement regarding the benefit of your genes continuing within the human race. See now you're talking about causality, which is a problem because it's unaccountable and...well you're just trying to save face heh. Also, Sod off means f*ck off in the Queen's English, and whinge is actually the proper (even in American English) word for someone who complains, as opposed to whine, which is mostly colloquially associated with whinge in the U.S.
Sarcasm clearly escapes you. Just for future reference, whinge is not a proper word in American English. Whine is correct. |

Hyuni
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Posted - 2014.05.29 05:04:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Make up your mind.
Done.
Tippia wrote:So you agree, then, seeing as how you have nothing to offer but fallacies. Got it.
That must be an awful special filter you have on your screen to make words say what you want them to.
As for the abortion, I was just trying to speak your language. Sorry if I mispronounced it.
Thanks and goodnight! |

Hyuni
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Posted - 2014.05.29 05:10:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Hyuni wrote:That must be an awful special filter you have on your screen to make words say what you want them to. No. It's just plain old deduction: you immediately had to resort to fallacies. This happens when you have no proper argument. If you have no proper argument, it's because you know I'm right and you're just lashing out because you are desperate not to show it. Quote:As for the abortion, I was just trying to speak your language. You should have tried actual logic instead, since that's what I listen to. But since you had to resort to a lack of it, I thank you for your support.
It's clearly a special special world you live in. |
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