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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.05 22:07:00 -
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I've been thinking about this a bit recently, and I just wondered what everyone else thought.
All the races have 2 assault type t1 cruisers, making the basis for their HACs. These are:
Omen
Maller
Vexor
Thorax
Caracal
Moa
Stabber
Rupture
I was thinking: these ships show the 2 main feature of their race's ideas. They are both used as a basis for HACs which are balanced to be evenly matched (unlike AFs). Yet one of these is tier3, the other is tier2. Looking at it, I think maybe it might work with both as tier3s.
Along with a respective fitting boost, I'd add:
A Highslot and turret to the Omen
A Medslot to the Vexor
A Lowslot to the Caracal
A Lowslot to the Stabber
What do you think? Would **** it up, or improve things?
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2006.06.05 22:09:00 -
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You would remove any point of using Arbitrator (4 mids compared to 3 of vexor but less pg/armor etc). Also Omen still would need to get PG boost (it barely can fit atm).
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Kyguard
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Posted - 2006.06.05 22:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Meridius
Good ideas, i like
The only thing that bothers me is the Vexor, it already outclasses the Arbitrator in pretty much everyway except for having 1 less mid. I think it should stay that way tbh...
You post too ******* fast. And yeah, agreed.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.05 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
A Highslot and turret to the Omen
A Medslot to the Vexor
A Lowslot to the Caracal
A Lowslot to the Stabber
What do you think? Would **** it up, or improve things?
The Omen would then have more dps than a zealot by the order of 1 launcher point and a 15m3 drone bay.
The midslot to the vexor will allow it to use even more ewar than it does now.
I don't see much of a problem with the low-slot on the cara, other than it lets it tank and ewar a little easier.
The stabber might be able to run some form of tank with an extra low, although personally I would like an extra mid.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.06.05 22:10:00 -
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Good ideas, i like
The only thing that bothers me is the Vexor, it already outclasses the Arbitrator in pretty much everyway except for having 1 less mid. I think it should stay that way tbh...
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Phelan Lore
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Posted - 2006.06.05 22:11:00 -
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I say boost the belicose...
Arbitrator, Blackbird, and Celestis are great ships. Belicose is poo poo.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.05 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Good ideas, i like
The only thing that bothers me is the Vexor, it already outclasses the Arbitrator in pretty much everyway except for having 1 less mid. I think it should stay that way tbh...
Thats a good point I hadn't considered. I originally gave it another low, but I wanted to differentiate it more from the thorax.
Personally, I might consider changing the arbitrator in this case though: maybe lose a high for a mid?
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.05 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
The Omen would then have more dps than a zealot by the order of 1 launcher point and a 15m3 drone bay.
The omen is currently hurting a lot: it is currently pretty much totally inferior to the maller. I hadn't considered it outdamaging the zealot, and that is an issue. I'll think on that.
Originally by: Sarmaul
The midslot to the vexor will allow it to use even more ewar than it does now.
I know
Originally by: Sarmaul
I don't see much of a problem with the low-slot on the cara, other than it lets it tank and ewar a little easier.
It does indeed, but it gives a choice between armor tanking or damage or WCS. Fitting would be tight on the extra low I think.
Originally by: Sarmaul
The stabber might be able to run some form of tank with an extra low, although personally I would like an extra mid.
This was another one I was unsure about. In the end I decided on the extra low because that is the direction the navy stabber went in, and it looks pretty good there.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.05 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Phelan Lore
I say boost the belicose...
Arbitrator, Blackbird, and Celestis are great ships. Belicose is poo poo.
Arbi isn't amazing, nor is the celestis really. Blackbird is awesome and bellicose sucks. Yeah, it needs a look.
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Skva
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Posted - 2006.06.05 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Phelan Lore
I say boost the belicose...
Arbitrator, Blackbird, and Celestis are great ships. Belicose is poo poo.
Arbi isn't amazing, nor is the celestis really. Blackbird is awesome and bellicose sucks. Yeah, it needs a look.
I personally like the celestis, sensor damps can be very fun in gang PvP. It's not as uber as the blackbird though. No experience flying the other two, so not going to comment on those :P
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.06.05 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
The Omen would then have more dps than a zealot by the order of 1 launcher point and a 15m3 drone bay.
The Zealot needs a 5th turret badly.
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Kunming
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Posted - 2006.06.05 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Sarmaul
The Omen would then have more dps than a zealot by the order of 1 launcher point and a 15m3 drone bay.
The Zealot needs a 5th turret badly.
No it needs a small drone bay imo, 25m¦ or so. Thats enough for 5 lights, or 1 webber drone or other funky stuff, would make the ship a bit more vestile.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.06.05 22:44:00 -
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Edited by: Meridius on 05/06/2006 22:44:44
Originally by: Kunming
No it needs a small drone bay imo, 25m¦ or so. Thats enough for 5 lights, or 1 webber drone or other funky stuff, would make the ship a bit more vestile.
Wrong, it needs a 5th turret. It's an Amarrian ship, you know, king of the turrets race? Yet it has less turrets then Minmatar HAC's.
It's damage output with high damage tech 2 ammo matches a Vagabond with t2 range AC ammo.
5 light drones isn't going to do ****.
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Leshrac Shepherd
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Posted - 2006.06.05 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Sarmaul
The Omen would then have more dps than a zealot by the order of 1 launcher point and a 15m3 drone bay.
The Zealot needs a 5th turret badly.
Only if my muninn gets a 6th, deal? : D
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.06.05 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Leshrac Shepherd
Only if my muninn gets a 6th, deal? : D
Sorry wrong race, Amarr are the turret *****s of eve.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.05 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Edited by: Meridius on 05/06/2006 22:44:44
Originally by: Kunming
No it needs a small drone bay imo, 25m¦ or so. Thats enough for 5 lights, or 1 webber drone or other funky stuff, would make the ship a bit more vestile.
Wrong, it needs a 5th turret. It's an Amarrian ship, you know, king of the turrets race? Yet it has less turrets then Minmatar HAC's.
It's damage output with high damage tech 2 ammo matches a Vagabond with t2 range AC ammo.
5 light drones isn't going to do ****.
zealot with heavy pulse, conflag and 3 hs = 498dps
vaga with 425mm ac, barrage, heavy launcher + 5 drones = 466dps
of course, vaga with hail = 601dps, but that's assuming you can actually get into range
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.06.05 23:05:00 -
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Edited by: Meridius on 05/06/2006 23:10:49
Originally by: Sarmaul
zealot with heavy pulse, conflag and 3 hs = 498dps
vaga with 425mm ac, barrage, heavy launcher + 5 drones = 466dps
of course, vaga with hail = 601dps, but that's assuming you can actually get into range
My graph looks different, hold on, its otw.
Also don't forget we are comparing our cap sucking high damage tech 2 ammo to your long range penalty free zero cap using guns. Your guns also don't get uber gimped by TDs and you have missiles and drones which adds even more flexibilty...
graphs ftw
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.05 23:11:00 -
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Edited by: Sarmaul on 05/06/2006 23:12:50
my graph
edit: what version of nb's graph are you using? I'm using beta12...
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.06.05 23:13:00 -
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I just say we scrap the tier system entirely.
Its stupid and redundant.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.06.05 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
my graph
You used Acolyte's which do the worst dmg of light drones
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Imode
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Posted - 2006.06.05 23:14:00 -
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Give the omen a grid boost so that it can actually fit heavy pulses. :)
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.05 23:14:00 -
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Edited by: Sarmaul on 05/06/2006 23:15:16
Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Sarmaul
my graph
You used Acolyte's which do the worst dmg of light drones
wtf which are the best then?
edit: nm, just realised I got acos and hobs mixed up. 2 secs ;)
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Quarantine
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Posted - 2006.06.05 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
A Highslot and turret to the Omen
A Medslot to the Vexor
A Lowslot to the Caracal
A Lowslot to the Stabber
Omen and Stabber could do with a slight boost, but Caracal and Vexor are fine as it is. I'd actually give both the Omen and the Stabber a fifth turret slot (and the additional highslot for the omen, but no additional low for the Stabber).
Additionally, the Bellicose desperately needs some love.
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Cohkka
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Posted - 2006.06.05 23:15:00 -
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I agree Omen needs a boost. In particular more damage as suggested with the 5th turretslot.
I'd gladly expand the 5th hi-slot for another med or low-slot. Tho, I think it's more in line with the Dominix if it would get another low-slot. Med-slot would be better ofc...
Caracal, agree again. Haven't flown it for a while but the 2 lows were a pain in the ass.
I think the Stabber should get another med-slot rather than a low. Then it could maybe fit somewhat of a tank (as a ship with low pg). Again I haven't flown it for a long time, but basicly it was a pain to fit. I only used it as a fast tackler.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.06.05 23:17:00 -
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Edited by: Meridius on 05/06/2006 23:17:50
Originally by: Sarmaul
wtf which are the best then?
edit: nm, just realised I got acos and hobs mixed up. 2 secs ;)
Across all drones from best to worst (dmg wise)
Therm
Kin
Explosive
EM
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Frools
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Posted - 2006.06.05 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
A Highslot and turret to the Omen
:drool:
if it got the grid to properly fit the new slot too that would make me happy in the pants 
dont see it happenning tho, so i would be content with just the grid to fit its current slots properly 
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.05 23:19:00 -
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I dont really know about other ships much but
/signed for Caracal with 1 more low slot.
Moa: 1 low slot to middle. Make Moa 6/5/3?
Blackbird: 1 high slot to low. Make BB 3/6/3?
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.05 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Edited by: Meridius on 05/06/2006 23:17:50
Originally by: Sarmaul
wtf which are the best then?
edit: nm, just realised I got acos and hobs mixed up. 2 secs ;)
Across all drones from best to worst (dmg wise)
Therm
Kin
Explosive
EM
I know, I just forgot which ones did thermal :).
hacking the spreadsheet, giving a zealot a 5th turret would actually completely balance out with the vaga.
vaga vs zealot with 5 turrets
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.06.05 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
I know, I just forgot which ones did thermal :).
hacking the spreadsheet, giving a zealot a 5th turret would actually completely balance out with the vaga.
vaga vs zealot with 5 turrets
Yes that graph looks how it should be!!
They can unnerf Hail then to
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.05 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Sarmaul
I know, I just forgot which ones did thermal :).
hacking the spreadsheet, giving a zealot a 5th turret would actually completely balance out with the vaga.
vaga vs zealot with 5 turrets
Yes that graph looks how it should be!!
They can unnerf Hail then to
My god, we actually agree on boosting each other's race  . Next think you know, Gronsak will be typing clearly, Kilrock will be helping to setup people's faction ships and Jenny won't be using stabs and ewar...
naaaah
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