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Bearded Forum Alt Republic University Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2014.05.29 20:13:00 - [1] - Quote Eve needs an official, central, reliable killboard. Why is this not a thing? I'm not even sure how to make this post longer, or more useful. Please give us an official killboard.
Iain Cariaba In Over Our Heads Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 6	Posted - 2014.05.29 20:17:00 - [2] - Quote +1 Why do we not have this? If I like your idea, I may or may not tell you. If I do not like your idea, you will definitly know this.
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1593	Posted - 2014.05.29 20:19:00 - [3] - Quote would like, tho i imagine this will be hard to do. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Paul Panala Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF 168	Posted - 2014.05.29 20:22:00 - [4] - Quote Yes!! I very much support this!!
Paul Panala Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF 168	Posted - 2014.05.29 20:24:00 - [5] - Quote Daichi Yamato wrote: would like, tho i imagine this will be hard to do. Why would it be that hard? Eve's existing Kill Mail system basically does what it needs to, just need to make that information public and searchable.
Iain Cariaba In Over Our Heads 6	Posted - 2014.05.29 20:48:00 - [6] - Quote Paul Panala wrote: Daichi Yamato wrote: would like, tho i imagine this will be hard to do. Why would it be that hard? Eve's existing Kill Mail system basically does what it needs to, just need to make that information public and searchable. CCP already puts this information out, otherwise the existing killboards wouldn't exist. If I like your idea, I may or may not tell you. If I do not like your idea, you will definitly know this.
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1593	Posted - 2014.05.29 21:46:00 - [7] - Quote Iain Cariaba wrote: Paul Panala wrote: Daichi Yamato wrote: would like, tho i imagine this will be hard to do. Why would it be that hard? Eve's existing Kill Mail system basically does what it needs to, just need to make that information public and searchable. CCP already puts this information out, otherwise the existing killboards wouldn't exist. the existing kill mails break alot of the time. hence this thread. as with pretty much everything in eve. the 3rd party stuff works better than the in game stuff. so with the 3rd party stuff breaking, i anticipate difficulties. not because of any techy logic i have, i have none, just because past experience suggests so. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2363	Posted - 2014.05.29 21:55:00 - [8] - Quote Kill mails are overrated. -á --á
Sniper Smith Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 170	Posted - 2014.05.29 22:00:00 - [9] - Quote Not that I wouldn't think it would be interesting.. BUT.. Given that we have so many killboards, this should in no way be a priority for CCP. Now an ingame one would be interesting, with the clicky links.. but again.. Lets deal with the other stuff first before we add a new "distraction".. get the new API fully up and running for example..
Ines Tegator Towels R Us 480	Posted - 2014.05.29 22:03:00 - [10] - Quote Hey guys, check this thing out. It's round, and it's got this thing in the middle called, get this, an "axle", and it does great things involving friction. Wait, what? Oh, I thought it was new idea. - Mission Overhaul - Bridging the PVP / PVE Gap - -áIf the game stops teaching people to fear lowsec, maybe people will start going there?
Bearded Forum Alt Republic University Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2014.05.30 00:42:00 - [11] - Quote Ines Tegator wrote: Hey guys, check this thing out. It's round, and it's got this thing in the middle called, get this, an "axle", and it does great things involving friction. Wait, what? Oh, I thought it was new idea. I guess I did need to say more. What we have are third-party tools which display data offered by players and corporations. These tools are unreliable, because there isn't a single one of them which all players and all corporations offer data to. That's why the various killboards that we have are inconsistent. I would like that data to be displayed by CCP, automatically. This would make the displayed data reliable and comprehensive. Ines Tegator wrote: Kill mails are overrated. The rankings that the various killboard sites display are overrated. The data itself is invaluable. For example: it is the single best way for players to evaluate the character of corporations, and for corporations to evaluate the character of characters. Corp website and recruiters can say whatever they want; killboards tell a better story. I don't care about who kills more often with an incursus; I care alot about which 'pvp' corps are actually active, and which indy corps are hemorrhaging barges. And so on.
scimichar Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 219	Posted - 2014.05.30 00:53:00 - [12] - Quote Why should CCP maintain ($$$) a killboard, when others are willing to make and maintain them, for free.
Bearded Forum Alt Republic University Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2014.05.30 01:01:00 - [13] - Quote scimichar wrote: Why should CCP maintain ($$$) a killboard, when others are willing to make and maintain them, for free. Neither you nor I have any clue about how much it would cost for CCP to display kill mail data, over and above what it costs them to run the Eve Gate site. Let's not pretend that we do.
Ines Tegator Towels R Us 480	Posted - 2014.05.30 02:29:00 - [14] - Quote Bearded Forum Alt wrote: I guess I did need to say more. What we have are third-party tools which display data offered by players and corporations. These tools are unreliable, because there isn't a single one of them which all players and all corporations offer data to. That's why the various killboards that we have are inconsistent. I would like that data to be displayed by CCP, automatically. This would make the displayed data reliable and comprehensive. Consider your point clarified. I retract my smartassitude. Well, the comment in question anyway. I'll always be a smartass - Mission Overhaul - Bridging the PVP / PVE Gap - -áIf the game stops teaching people to fear lowsec, maybe people will start going there?
shimiku Black VooDoo Asassins Cult of War 11	Posted - 2014.05.30 09:09:00 - [15] - Quote i think the devs sayed some where that they dont focus on stuff the third party software did well
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 5439	Posted - 2014.05.30 09:27:00 - [16] - Quote scimichar wrote: Why should CCP maintain ($$$) a killboard, when others are willing to make and maintain them, for free. I think this is one of the primary reasons why the system is the way it is. CCP puts out the information at minimal cost and effort for themselves and lets other people spend the time and effort to compile and manage it in more or less exactly the form players want. And when things break (they always break at some point) CCP doesn't take the blame and doesn't have to spent the time and effort to fix it... allowing them to focus on things they want to focus on. It's a pretty sweet deal if you ask me. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. "How did you veterans start?"
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2363	Posted - 2014.05.30 09:38:00 - [17] - Quote Bearded Forum Alt wrote: scimichar wrote: Why should CCP maintain ($$$) a killboard, when others are willing to make and maintain them, for free. Neither you nor I have any clue about how much it would cost for CCP to display kill mail data, over and above what it costs them to run the Eve Gate site. Let's not pretend that we do. The simple fact is, it would cost CCP to maintain, and right now 3rd parties are doing it for free. -á --á
Velenia Ankletickler Silverflames 6	Posted - 2014.05.30 10:36:00 - [18] - Quote Definitely don't want this. Killboards are bad enough already.
Bearded Forum Alt Republic University Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2014.05.30 18:36:00 - [19] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: CCP puts out the information at minimal cost and effort for themselves and lets other people spend the time and effort to compile and manage it in more or less exactly the form players want. And when things break (they always break at some point) CCP doesn't take the blame and doesn't have to spent the time and effort to fix it... allowing them to focus on things they want to focus on. Your explanation as to why there isn't an official killboard is plausable, and very likely to be true. This thread is now about the merits of having centralized, comprehensive kill data made available. It doesn't have to be a CCP killboard. It could be like a kill data dump API, which third-party tools can scrape. That would be preferable to getting the data via character APIs. Someone go make a thread about doing this for market data, too.
Bearded Forum Alt Republic University Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2014.05.30 18:41:00 - [20] - Quote Velenia Ankletickler wrote: Definitely don't want this. Killboards are bad enough already. Do go on.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 5440	Posted - 2014.05.30 19:25:00 - [21] - Quote Bearded Forum Alt wrote: ShahFluffers wrote: CCP puts out the information at minimal cost and effort for themselves and lets other people spend the time and effort to compile and manage it in more or less exactly the form players want. And when things break (they always break at some point) CCP doesn't take the blame and doesn't have to spent the time and effort to fix it... allowing them to focus on things they want to focus on. Your explanation as to why there isn't an official killboard is plausable, and very likely to be true. This thread is now about the merits of having centralized, comprehensive kill data made available. It doesn't have to be a CCP killboard. It could be like a kill data dump API, which third-party tools can scrape. That would be preferable to getting the data via character APIs. Someone go make a thread about doing this for market data, too. You pretty much described what the entire API system more or less is at the moment. CCP makes player's API keys (which can include kills, deaths, and/or all other character information) available to them and players voluntarily submit them to their favorite kill boards (of which there is only 3 that I know of; Battleclinic, EVE-kill, and zKillboard). And to my knowledge, there is market API data available but it is delayed to prevent wholesale market manipulation. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. "How did you veterans start?"
Mazzara Gale Force Contractors 11	Posted - 2014.05.30 19:27:00 - [22] - Quote I would like to see an in-game kill board. Why not? I mean to me 3rd Party means, should be in the game to the point someone else built it No matter how much you scrub, how hot of water you use,-áyou can't wash shame!
Bearded Forum Alt Republic University Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2014.05.30 19:49:00 - [23] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: ...players voluntarily submit them.... And to my knowledge, there is market API data available but it is delayed to prevent wholesale market manipulation. That's how it works now, yes. I'm suggesting that the aggregated data be made available without player consent. The data on eve-central comes from APIs that players submit, too, I thought. I'm not clear on whether or not there is aggregated market data to scrape otherwise. None of this has to be displayed in real-time. I'd just like it to be accurate and comprehensive. That kill mails can be verified now is great. That makes them accurate. Now they all just need to be displayed somewhere.

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