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My Testicle	Posted - 2006.06.06 23:59:00 - [1] i need 2 characters with industrial skills, but i cant decide which races are the best for cargo... character nr1: i dont want to spend much training on this one since its the alt so i will train industrial to lvl 4. i guess this one is pretty simple since the mammoth has 4 lowslots and 5.625m¦ thus making it the biggest cargo and most lowslots for only a lvl 4 industrial but how much cargo would i have if i fit 4x 18% expanders or 25% expanders? keep in mind i also have 5% extra cargo per level, so thats 4 lvls. character nr2: this one has to be a transport ship so i dont get instapopped at gates, but the cargosize it has stays important to me and this is the part where i cant choose which race to go for Impel: 4000m¦, 7 lowslots Occator: 5000m¦, 6 lowslots Bustard: 5500m¦, 5 lowslots they all got a 5% cargobonus per industrial lvl so they all have 5 lvls of that... i would like to know what cargo they have with 18% expanders and with 25% expanders... it would mean ALOT to me since it could save me from months of training the wrong race and it could offcourse also help other players. im very very very bad at mathematics, so thats why i ask it here. thx for any decent response that might come
Obmud	Posted - 2006.06.07 00:16:00 - [2] I cannot help you really but i've seen an Impel go close to the 30000m3 border since we cut fit in an assembled assault frig fully fitted that could be dropped into space and boarded... The math is not relevant anyway imo, since these ships are just immobile with 7 expanders (7 times speedmalus) in them. I believe we made the impel fly about 10-20 m/s WITH ab on... And the difference is not really worth it. I wouldn't bother about it and go for the impel since it offers the most variety because of the 7 lowslots. Don't know wether that helps you but take into consideration that as well... ----------------------- This signature got altered because it was way to sexy and uber. If you want to know why don't ask. We're still horny.
Ashvul	Posted - 2006.06.07 00:25:00 - [3] with a fully expanded transport you won't get instapopped, but anyone camping will have about 3 minutes to kill you since you'll be moving and turning so slow. transport ships were not designed to be used fully expanded, making the impel move 15m/s fully expanded was just a subtle hint from ccp...
My Testicle	Posted - 2006.06.07 00:35:00 - [4] well moving isnt a problem since i use instas anyway, and the turning... well, in a t1 hauler i get instapopped, these transportships have a bonus on defense and it also takes a few seconds for the other guy to fire his 2nd salvo. what i also can do for important stuff with the impel is fitting 7 nanos on it wich makes it very fast :p but i would like to see the calculations of those ships to see what they can fit
Rowdy Roddy	Posted - 2006.06.07 01:20:00 - [5] mammoth: 5625 x 1,20 (industrial lvl 4) x 1,18 x 1,18 x 1,18 x 1,18 (4 cargo expanders with 18% each) = 13086,75 m¦ mammoth with beta hull mod expanded cargo (25,08%): 16521,72 m¦ impel with 18% expanders: 15927,37 m¦ impel with 25,08% expanders: 23948,87 m¦ occator with 18% expanders: 16872,21 m¦ occator with 25,08% expanders: 23933,56 m¦ bustard with 18% expanders: 15728,33 m¦ bustard with 25,08% expanders: 21048,06 m¦ i hope that's correct
tropic28	Posted - 2006.06.07 06:52:00 - [6] I can fit 8 Large secure containers (31,200 M3)in an Occator and still do about 45m/s without AB. With good skills evasive manouvering V Navigation V and spaceship command V It does turn pretty well and go into warp faster than you might think. But to be honest you are better off either using it without expanders and fitting Local inetial stabs on it or using a viator to break through gate camps
My Testicle	Posted - 2006.06.07 08:26:00 - [7] so his calculations are wrong...
Leshard Eyevean	Posted - 2006.06.07 09:31:00 - [8] Edited by: Leshard Eyevean on 07/06/2006 09:32:37 Viator is awesome for running gate camps, the cargo hold aint the greatest but with MWD/Cloaking device and its built in warp core strength, not to mention frigate like warp speeds its great.... Occator is a different beast, with 6 18% expanders you reach 16872m3(with 25% - 23841m3) base cargo hold size so you can still fit giant secure containers in although your speed is dropped down to 40m/s - only really good for long distance AFK hauling, Occator makes for a mean tank if you set it up that way....
Rowdy Roddy	Posted - 2006.06.07 10:11:00 - [9] Originally by: My Testicle so his calculations are wrong... well, you didn't ask about giant secure containers in your cargo hold, so i'm right just to explain it again: a giant secure container has a volume of 3000 m¦ but it can hold 3900 m¦. so you gain 900 m¦ with every giant secure container you can put in your cargo hold. my calculations are just for the cargo hold of the ship
Leshard Eyevean	Posted - 2006.06.07 11:03:00 - [10] someones calculator, very useful just doesnt handle the transport ships..... Industrial Cargo Capacity calculator

Edorian	Posted - 2006.06.07 11:16:00 - [11] This document may prove to be helpful: Comparison of Industrial Ships
Obmud	Posted - 2006.06.07 12:05:00 - [12] If i see an impel trying to align for warp i don't even need warp scramblers... just bumping them out of alignment is their death and they are REALLY slow turning with 7 expanders. It's a dead end ----------------------- This signature got altered because it was way to sexy and uber. If you want to know why don't ask. We're still horny.
Apertotes	Posted - 2006.06.07 12:12:00 - [13] Edited by: Apertotes on 07/06/2006 12:12:31 Originally by: My Testicle Impel: 4000m¦, 7 lowslots Occator: 5000m¦, 6 lowslots Bustard: 5500m¦, 5 lowslots i have always thought that caldari tech 2 industrials were the best because they can shield tank and have all the lowslots for speed/cargo/wcs Apertotes, the Guybrush Threepwood of New Eve
Obmud	Posted - 2006.06.07 12:32:00 - [14] Originally by: Apertotes Edited by: Apertotes on 07/06/2006 12:12:31 Originally by: My Testicle Impel: 4000m¦, 7 lowslots Occator: 5000m¦, 6 lowslots Bustard: 5500m¦, 5 lowslots i have always thought that caldari tech 2 industrials were the best because they can shield tank and have all the lowslots for speed/cargo/wcs thats a very good argument ----------------------- This signature got altered because it was way to sexy and uber. If you want to know why don't ask. We're still horny.
Mjala	Posted - 2006.06.07 12:37:00 - [15] Originally by: Rowdy Roddy mammoth: 5625 x 1,20 (industrial lvl 4) x 1,18 x 1,18 x 1,18 x 1,18 (4 cargo expanders with 18% each) = 13086,75 m¦ mammoth with beta hull mod expanded cargo (25,08%): 16521,72 m¦ impel with 18% expanders: 15927,37 m¦ impel with 25,08% expanders: 23948,87 m¦ occator with 18% expanders: 16872,21 m¦ occator with 25,08% expanders: 23933,56 m¦ bustard with 18% expanders: 15728,33 m¦ bustard with 25,08% expanders: 21048,06 m¦ i hope that's correct it is correctly the impel will beat the occator with 27% expander, with 25% its pretty much the same amount.
My Testicle	Posted - 2006.06.08 19:56:00 - [16] well thx for the answers :)


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