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Zion Delcato
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Posted - 2006.06.07 00:08:00 -
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can someone please explain why i should even begin with eve.
its very clear to me that eve is a very slow progress game so there are alot people that alrdy have played 3 years or 2 or 1.
isnt it tru that the economy and the wars are in the hands of people that has been playing long time now and me as a newbie dont stand a change whatsoever?
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loony zoon
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Posted - 2006.06.07 00:13:00 -
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1 month of specialisation, you will be a useful corp member.
6 months of specialisation and you will be able to fly a particular tech2 ship as well as anyone.
Older players will have more cash and more specialisations.
Get the right atttitude with the game and you can be involved in 0.0 fleet battles within a few months.
Fun is more important than ISK
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.06.07 00:13:00 -
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You should play through the full time of a trial, read as much as you can, and try to grasp how the system, particularly the way it implements "diminishing returns" and scaling up ability and skill and such.
if you do that, understand the way the skill system and its diminishing returns works, and so on.. and you still feel the same way,
then you shouldn't.
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Justus Imperius
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Posted - 2006.06.07 00:14:00 -
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If you have to ask that :o... maybe you shouldnt... Because if you bothered to try playing you'd realize what you are saying is pretty inaccurate.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.07 00:16:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 07/06/2006 00:17:33
 Originally by: Zion Delcato
can someone please explain why i should even begin with eve.
its very clear to me that eve is a very slow progress game so there are alot people that alrdy have played 3 years or 2 or 1.
isnt it tru that the economy and the wars are in the hands of people that has been playing long time now and me as a newbie dont stand a change whatsoever?
Of course not. This is common BS that ignorant fools may lead you to believe.
Perhaps I can tell you my story as proof of its falsehood. Its merely an anecdote, but hopefully you will understand.
I joined about 18-20 months ago. When I came into the game, most of all the good tech 2 BPOs were already out. There were established players with billions, and I had... an Ibis. Nothing.
I have never been truly "lucky" in EVE--I never got any vast amount of uber loot that significantly impacted my net worth, nor have I bought a huge amount of a stock which I resold later for 4x the value. I have never won a tech 2 BPO in the lottery... heck I've never won any lotteries either, including the BIG lottery, which I have played 10-15 times.
I have never bought ISK or sold gametime cards, and I have always owned one account and no more. I have never scammed anyone nor robbed a corporation. I usually play a couple hours a day at most.
Today, my net worth is just about 25 billion.
The sky is the limit to your dreams in EVE.
--Proud member of the [23]--
-WTB Platinum Technite, WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II-
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Rumbaar
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Posted - 2006.06.07 00:17:00 -
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As a new player myself (under a month) I too have had/have this type of thought.
I look at the time it takes to train to various higher level ships 200+ days and think to myself those at 1,2,3 years ahead of me will have all this worked out.
But then I play and find my own little piece of EVE. Find my own enjoyment. It's what you make of it and want out of it. It's slightly tougher (I think) for a solo player, but if you can get into a decent corp and alliance it can make a world of difference.
There are still plenty of riches to be found in EVE, both physically and emotionally.
Even a relatively new player can play around in 0.4-0.6 space if their careful and mindful. Which means there is a decent amount of 'fun' to be had in those regions.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.06.07 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Zion Delcato
isnt it tru that the economy and the wars are in the hands of people that has been playing long time now and me as a newbie dont stand a change whatsoever?
No, that's a complete and utter lie.
Unlike every other MMO, in EVE you CAN be useful as a newbie, even against some of the best.
Ofcourse a few million skillpoints helps, but a few newbies can overpower an older player/target.
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Mortimer Phinn
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Posted - 2006.06.07 00:29:00 -
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One of the elegant things with the skills system in EVE is that there are caps to all the different skillsets. What that means to a new player is that while you can never catch up to a older player in the number of skills trained, you can tie them in the ones you want to compete against them with. If you train all the skills to fly a battleship and all the skills for the equipment, you will find that a 2 year old player can do no better. Sure he may be able to fly a wider selection of battleships, or use missiles or lasers, but the cap on skill levels means you can compete as well with him as a day one vet if you train the same skills.
Old players just are more versatile, not better.
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Torin
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Posted - 2006.06.07 00:46:00 -
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It's a valid question. I have a friend, new to Eve, who is questioning the same thing.
First off, one can specialize in Eve. Many of the older players did not have the advanced skills on the market today that allow a newer player to progress more rapidly than older players did when they started out. So newer players have a skill learning advantage in that regard.
There will always be someone better than you. But this is the case for any game you play, be it WoW or some other MMO. This, in my opinion, gives Eve some of it's flavor. But this doesn't mean that they are unbeatable due to their skills. In PvP, the biggest advantage one can have is having the intiative and the right ship setup to counter/overcome your opponent. A veteran will go down if he's not geared to fight you effectively just as simple as a new player would.
Another answer is really in your approach to the game. I find that many people play a MMO in order to "beat the game". In my opinion, playing Eve that way makes you miss out on a lot of what Eve is about. Will you ever catch up to a 3 year Eve veteran in skill points? No. But does this make the game void of goals? I don't think so.
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Micia
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Posted - 2006.06.07 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: bonombonom
there's nothing wrong with being new, hell, 3 day old players kick my ass all the time...
Poor bonombonom should be an inspiration to newbies all over. 
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x racer
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Posted - 2006.06.07 01:28:00 -
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I am assuming the OP is discussing PVP.....
Tactics and Comms are more important than skill training in PVP.
3 well coordinated Frigates can take out any Battleship. Even if the 3 Frigates are 1 month old noooooobs. This means 1M worth of ships can take on and kill 100M+ of BS.
Goonfleet and Goonwaffe prove this point everyday.
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SajuurCor
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Posted - 2006.06.07 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: loony zoon
Get the right atttitude with the game and you can be involved in 0.0 fleet battles within a few months.
More like a few days, MWD and scramble skills and you are set. As long as you can fit a gun you are useful TBH.
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Darineah Charach
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Posted - 2006.06.07 02:24:00 -
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With all due respect, don't stand a chance to do what?
If a baby is born into the world, should it just stop breathing because the world is dominated by people who've been here for years?
I think you might be looking at the game from the wrong perspective, there is no 'winning' EVE. It's a free flowing and adapting universe into which new players come (are born) and old players leave (die). So it doesn't matter when you start, you have an equal chance as anyone else to develop and make an impact. In 3 years time you'll be reading about other new players coming in and asking the same question and smiling to yourself from the pod of your ubership, counting your billions and remember the day you asked. Just as in real life the only limitations are your imagination and determination.
At the end of the day though, the game is about having fun not 'winning'. So yes, there is a point to you starting, you're going to have the ride of your life regardless of where you end up.
And for the record, i discovered EVE 2 months ago, so i'm not talking as one of the oldies. I love being a noob, it means no matter how much fun i have when i log on, there's so much more to look forward to.
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Wendat Huron
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Posted - 2006.06.07 02:24:00 -
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The everwhine again, a neverending saga.
Don't bother, you can never win, ever, you have to be in every game in beta or you're doomed.
You disgust me with your weak attitude. 
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Shinzann
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Posted - 2006.06.07 02:38:00 -
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Like the other fellow said, play out the trial period. If you don't like it oh well...
I've been playing EVE for a little over 4 months now and I'l get all giggly when I look at all the possibilities in EVE for me to try. Was I concerned that people who have been playing since Day 1 are out there, waiting to kick my newb pod? A little then I started playing and I started enjoying the game.
Just my 2 SIK worth. Keep the change 
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.06.07 03:12:00 -
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You play the game if you enjoy it.
Theres a lot to learn and a steep learning curve and a lot of fun in this process.
If you havent even started the game and are thinking "waa, I cant compete" then please dont start playing. The fun is in the journey, not the destination (since there is no "end game"
If you want to explore a really deep rich game that doesnt get "old" then please sign up and have fun and your character and knowledge while you are doing it.
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Rimme Ettakar
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Posted - 2006.06.07 03:36:00 -
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Of course noobs don't stand a chance! It's HELL out there! People with mining barges will slurp roids out from under your nose in your little starter system! Bored players will drop "Free Stuff" cans and blow your little starter ships to smithereens outside the stations! Don't even think your pathetic 220mm Vulcan Autocannons can even DENT a HAC flown by a 3 year old pilot. You have no ISK, so forget trying to make money off of trading.
And most importantly, NEVER BELIEVE A WORD OF WHAT YOU READ ON THESE FORUMS!
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SilentKnifez
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Posted - 2006.06.07 03:40:00 -
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Edited by: SilentKnifez on 07/06/2006 03:42:07
Originally by: Zion Delcato
can someone please explain why i should even begin with eve.
its very clear to me that eve is a very slow progress game so there are alot people that alrdy have played 3 years or 2 or 1.
isnt it tru that the economy and the wars are in the hands of people that has been playing long time now and me as a newbie dont stand a change whatsoever?
Start slow and work up, in a year you will be surprised what you can accomplish.. Time well wasted |
SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2006.06.07 04:25:00 -
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To this day, I wish I had made a FRAPS of that fight in which a less-than-two-million-skillpoint Andre took on a Tempest and a Raptor (piloted by players significantly older than Andre) in a Brutix and won.
Possibly my finest moment in EVE.
Point is, it's easy to become competitive.
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Dak Hakin
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Posted - 2006.06.07 05:42:00 -
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This game is not about instant gratification. You cant grind your way to the top like every other mmo out there. Also, there are so damn many different directions any player can go, the chances that another player out there will have the exact same skills and abilities as you are very slim. If you are looking to get out there and be "level 60" or something in 3 weeks, it aint gonna happen.
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R3aliti
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Posted - 2006.06.07 06:16:00 -
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The new player actually has many advantages as far as training that the three year old player did not have when the game began. We had no advanced learning skills and implants did not even exist. You can catch up rather quickly if you specilize in the things you want to do. If anything the older player is at a bit of a disadvantage in that having nothing but LVL5 of many skills left to train and some of these take 45+ days to get that LVL5 and that 45+ days does not buy you much over the LVL4. Just figure out what you want to do and go for it, you do not need massive skill points to have fun.
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Adorna
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Posted - 2006.06.07 06:53:00 -
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Originally by: x racer
I am assuming the OP is discussing PVP.....
Tactics and Comms are more important than skill training in PVP.
3 well coordinated Frigates can take out any Battleship. Even if the 3 Frigates are 1 month old noooooobs. This means 1M worth of ships can take on and kill 100M+ of BS.
Goonfleet and Goonwaffe prove this point everyday.
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Um that sounds like an exaggeration to me.
Maybe 3 noob frigs may beat a poorly fitted BS but not ANY battleship.
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Yune Lao
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Posted - 2006.06.07 06:57:00 -
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I'm new at this too, I started yesterday. While I have NO illusions of ever being able to make a dent in the grand scheme of things, I can tell you I haven't had this much fun in AGES. I'm certain (as much as I can be at this early stage) that some veteran flying a battleship with guns coming out of its nose and has several million skillpoints isn't going to affect my amount of fun. Will he? And even if I in fact DO have to wait a year to a reasonable skill level, so what? There's plenty of things to do in the time being.
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Marie Elise
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Posted - 2006.06.07 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: Rimme Ettakar
Of course noobs don't stand a chance! It's HELL out there! People with mining barges will slurp roids out from under your nose in your little starter system! Bored players will drop "Free Stuff" cans and blow your little starter ships to smithereens outside the stations! Don't even think your pathetic 220mm Vulcan Autocannons can even DENT a HAC flown by a 3 year old pilot. You have no ISK, so forget trying to make money off of trading.
Thats pretty much how it is gonna go down  
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.07 07:11:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
You play the game if you enjoy it.
Theres a lot to learn and a steep learning curve and a lot of fun in this process.
If you havent even started the game and are thinking "waa, I cant compete" then please dont start playing. The fun is in the journey, not the destination (since there is no "end game"
If you want to explore a really deep rich game that doesnt get "old" then please sign up and have fun and your character and knowledge while you are doing it.
Quixotic Flying Tuna
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Serrah Marauder
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Posted - 2006.06.07 07:18:00 -
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Edited by: Serrah Marauder on 07/06/2006 07:20:09
I don't know if it's been stated yet, but the average age of players in this game is 7 months.
that's it.
The thing to remember is that for each skill, it takes as much time to go from a lvl 1 skill to a lvl 4 skill as it does to go from a lvl 4 skill to a lvl 5 skill.
So you could get the majority of your skills to lvl 4, which would give you 80% of the base skills. To train those skills to lvl 5 would take as much time as all the rest.
I'm only a few months old.
I have about 3.8 Million sp on my main. He was made on Jan 31. I fan fly frigates, cruisers, destoyers, Battle Cruisers, Battleships, and Industrials. I have average combat skills, but enough to make a lvl 3 mission and some lvl 4 missions a breeze. I can solo 800K rats in my Caracal Cruiser.
My corp, where all buy one member are below 5mill SP, one member has 13 mill, just finished putting up it's first POS in 0.0 and I think we only have about 5 active members :)
You'll be suprised what you can do in this game if you try.
The GREAT thing is, if you get bored of one aspect, you can completely change your char's focus, with a few weeks of training.
A 4 mill sp Combat char with a months training can be an OK miner. And with 3 months training an excellent miner.
Want to PvP, you can do that from about a week of basic skill training and up.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.07 07:27:00 -
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My review.
EvE is designed for sadistic and masochistic people. If you can live receiving the beating, you will live giving the beating. 
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
EvE is ecstatically malevolent.
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Chewan Mesa
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Posted - 2006.06.07 07:47:00 -
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Just all the people who replied kindly to a thread that seems posted about every week or so make it worth playing this game lad.
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Kilo Paskaa
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Posted - 2006.06.07 08:40:00 -
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Goonfswarm is good example here. W00t w00t! 3 moth old members!! i w1ll eat em for luch! [Insert here 350 men strong frigate bee swarm] [Insert here lots of lols in local] [insert here destruction of very expensive ship that had modules worth of 2bil].
Now who disagrees with me, try declaring war on goonies.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2006.06.07 08:42:00 -
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EvE is about having fun, not being the guy with the most Sp's.
The char with the most Sp has in all probability been the same since the first month.
The beauty however of eve is that if you play you will fast find that you can have alot of fun without 2 years of Sp's and once you get into lowsec/0.0/PvP you will fast realize that player skill and numbers is alot more important than skillpoints.
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