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TheTaintedOne
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Posted - 2006.06.07 15:13:00 -
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Firstly, I have to admit that I have never been on the wrong end (or the other end for that matter) of any suicide attacks when I am (or my alt rather) is trading in empire, so I am not entirely sure how it works. I have always used instas and travels exclusively in high sec, for this my bestower has served me well.
However as the value of my trade goods starts to rise, I am beginning to worry about possible suicide attacks, jita will do that to you. Therefore I am considering investing in a t2 indy such as the impel and fit it with as many passive tank mods as possible and fill the rest with nanofibers. Will this be enough deterent against suicide BS(es) or other type of attacks?
thanks for any feedbacks
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Sniper FC
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Posted - 2006.06.07 15:20:00 -
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if ur using instas the i would recomend the blockade runner with nanos, u dont wanna tank u wanna get out b4 they lock u or get a full volley off :)
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Krulla
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Posted - 2006.06.07 15:49:00 -
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Well, I know from experience that two ravens cannot kill a Mastodon in a suicide gank..
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Davmi Costo
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Posted - 2006.06.07 15:51:00 -
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You use instas? Ever considered keeping some in your cargo hold, just incase your people and places gets corrupted like?
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TheTaintedOne
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Posted - 2006.06.07 15:51:00 -
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Is tanking while waiting for Concord not an option then? With an impel, it can't be that hard to fit it to have near 80% armor resist for everything and with 3750 armour hp alone.
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TheTaintedOne
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Posted - 2006.06.07 15:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Krulla
Well, I know from experience that two ravens cannot kill a Mastodon in a suicide gank..
and impel have more low slots, might even allow me to travel without instas
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Ortu Konsinni
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Posted - 2006.06.07 15:53:00 -
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There's no way a suicide attack could take out an Impel (or any of the deep space transports). Too many hardened hitpoints to go through. You'd need a whole squad of synchronized heavy hitters to kill an Impel in empire space before CONCORD wipes the floor with their faces. And even if they somehow managed it... their losses would be heavy.
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TheTaintedOne
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Posted - 2006.06.07 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ortu Konsinni
There's no way a suicide attack could take out an Impel (or any of the deep space transports). Too many hardened hitpoints to go through. You'd need a whole squad of synchronized heavy hitters to kill an Impel in empire space before CONCORD wipes the floor with their faces. And even if they somehow managed it... their losses would be heavy.
excellent, that is very enouraging info
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.06.07 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ortu Konsinni
There's no way a suicide attack could take out an Impel (or any of the deep space transports). Too many hardened hitpoints to go through. You'd need a whole squad of synchronized heavy hitters to kill an Impel in empire space before CONCORD wipes the floor with their faces. And even if they somehow managed it... their losses would be heavy.
most people dont really tank t2 haulers
take a masterdon for example, with 1 mwd, and 2 invol t2 fields!, gives it about 70% to kin
take 2x well kitted [ie t2 ravens] or 3x crap kitted ravens, will do 4.5k volley each, or 9x total, IE will definitly down a masterdon
and thats with only 2 ravens, assumed to survive only 10sec under concord fire!
so not even t2 hauelrs are safe tbh
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.06.07 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Davmi Costo
You use instas? Ever considered keeping some in your cargo hold, just incase your people and places gets corrupted like?
should be an exploit to do that, hate it when its done in pvp :/
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Kraven Kor
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Posted - 2006.06.07 17:01:00 -
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I know from experience a Viator can survive 2 BS, 2 BC gate camps in lowsec.
Had MWD, Med booster, rest hardeners in med slots (think it has 3, so just a single EM hardener.)
Lows were small armor rep II and the rest expanders.
They locked me as I uncloaked, think it was 2 Prophecy, Tempest and Geddon. Low-sec system. I aligned for warp, hit the hardener right after the first shot hit. One BC tried to scramble me but didn't have enough to overcome the base +2 of the Viator. Entered warp pretty much right as they started on armor.
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Kraven Kor
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Posted - 2006.06.07 17:06:00 -
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I know from experience a Viator can survive 2 BS, 2 BC gate camps in lowsec.
Had MWD, Med booster, rest hardeners in med slots (think it has 3, so just a single EM hardener.)
Lows were small armor rep II and the rest expanders.
They locked me as I uncloaked, think it was 2 Prophecy, Tempest and Geddon. Low-sec system. I aligned for warp, hit the hardener right after the first shot hit. One BC tried to scramble me but didn't have enough to overcome the base +2 of the Viator. Entered warp pretty much right as they started on armor.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.07 19:30:00 -
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apparently, tank ceo has managed to take down a bustard before popping to concord :)
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Mordocik
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Posted - 2006.06.08 09:55:00 -
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Gronsak is correct. You will find it almost impossible to stop the professional suicide gankers. Assume that any ganker that knows what he is doing will survive for at least 2, most likely 3 volleys of torpedos. One raven in such a situation will easily kill ANY tech 1 hauler, and 3 ravens will kill any tech 2 hauler. Before you start thinking "yeah but whats the chances of 3 ravens setup and syncronised to do that? it'd cost them a fortune!", think again. A raven setup like this costs ~30mill to lose, so to suicide 3 ravens you lose <100 mill, and the possible gains? Most tech 2 haulers these days are carrying billions ...
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Saerid
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Posted - 2006.06.08 10:03:00 -
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I think worst I've ran into (and through) with a T2 hauler was a couple tach apocs camping. Slowboated it to the gate and they hardly scratched a prowler. So reasonably safe.
Funny experiment to test it out would be to buy a couple HAC BPCs (low run) or something and go cruise around with those in cargo and see if someone makes a run for it.
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Mordocik
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Posted - 2006.06.08 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Saerid
I think worst I've ran into (and through) with a T2 hauler was a couple tach apocs camping. Slowboated it to the gate and they hardly scratched a prowler. So reasonably safe.
Funny experiment to test it out would be to buy a couple HAC BPCs (low run) or something and go cruise around with those in cargo and see if someone makes a run for it.
You're not getting it. This is not about a couple of snipers trying to get you in low sec space, this is about a couple of people (actually often one person with multiple accounts) working in empire space to take out specific targets. Warping, more quickly, going faster, tanking etc, none of it really works if you are targetted by professional suicide gankers, as short of using insta's for every single hop, there will be a period of exposure, and if your cargo is worth it, then they will take advantage of that window.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.06.08 10:57:00 -
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99% of people popping haulers in empire will not attack a T2 hauler, its just not worth it.
The other 1% who will do, are doing it for e-peen value, not profit. And they could do that to you whether you were in a BS, a hauler, or whatever.
Lesson: you're never safe :)
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.08 11:00:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 08/06/2006 11:01:09
Dont trade in Jita. 
EDIT: Devs are doing suicide ganks to reduce Jita population. /me buys tinfoil hat. 
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Spartan239
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Posted - 2006.06.08 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 08/06/2006 11:01:09
Dont trade in Jita.
EDIT: Devs are doing suicide ganks to reduce Jita population. /me buys tinfoil hat.
there are enough people that dont take the right precatuoins to make it worthwhile so why not do it?
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Swethren
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Posted - 2006.06.08 11:06:00 -
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Passive Shield Hardners, with shield extenders with maybe a small booster.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.08 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Spartan239
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 08/06/2006 11:01:09
Dont trade in Jita.
EDIT: Devs are doing suicide ganks to reduce Jita population. /me buys tinfoil hat.
there are enough people that dont take the right precatuoins to make it worthwhile so why not do it?
TBH, killing shuttles and interceptors are more profitable than suiciding on haulers, transports and battleships.
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maGz
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Posted - 2006.06.08 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: maGz on 08/06/2006 11:20:48
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Spartan239
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 08/06/2006 11:01:09
Dont trade in Jita.
EDIT: Devs are doing suicide ganks to reduce Jita population. /me buys tinfoil hat.
there are enough people that dont take the right precatuoins to make it worthwhile so why not do it?
TBH, killing shuttles and interceptors are more profitable than suiciding on haulers, transports and battleships.
Wrong... Unless you catch a shuttle/ceptor/etc. with a T2/BS-BPO in it.
EDIT: In which case they deserve to die for being stupid enough to travel around with such in their holds 
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TheTaintedOne
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Posted - 2006.06.08 11:22:00 -
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Edited by: TheTaintedOne on 08/06/2006 11:25:31
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 08/06/2006 11:01:09
Dont trade in Jita.
EDIT: Devs are doing suicide ganks to reduce Jita population. /me buys tinfoil hat.
hehe, talk about paranoid. Hmm, maybe a geddon with tons of plate and passive hardeners + instas is a better way to go. I don't intend to transport billions worth of cargo (yet, still working with hundreds of millions at the mo), all I want to do is to make the option of ganking me highly risky and virtually unprofitable.
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Kinsy
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Posted - 2006.06.08 11:24:00 -
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2 EAN II's on an impel, i dont think 3 or more ravens are going to eat through your base resists.
And if you fill the lows with nanos while afk travelling you'll be at the gate before the third volley is fired anyway.
Besides which, if your transporting stuff of that high a value...youll be using instas, or actually paying attention to the screen so you can fire your AB.
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Kitano
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Posted - 2006.06.08 12:06:00 -
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A while back I took a Viator in high sec with a Tempest. This was due to a GUI overview bug that showed him as being a war target. Viator popped then my tempest popped to concord... not a good day out for either of us. but its doable
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Gabby05
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Posted - 2006.06.08 12:24:00 -
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If you want to put off any high sec gate camper buy a freighter wont have to worry about high sec gankings at all unless the person has a grudge.
Until then dont travel afk within 5/6 jumps from popular high sec hubs.
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Mordocik
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kinsy
2 EAN II's on an impel, i dont think 3 or more ravens are going to eat through your base resists.
And if you fill the lows with nanos while afk travelling you'll be at the gate before the third volley is fired anyway.
Besides which, if your transporting stuff of that high a value...youll be using instas, or actually paying attention to the screen so you can fire your AB.
Not sure what you thinking about but the 3 ravens will be sitting on the gate and you'll be tripple webbed while each of them fire 3 x 6 torps specific to your weakest resistance, while your TP'd and effectively stationary.
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Mordocik
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
99% of people popping haulers in empire will not attack a T2 hauler, its just not worth it.
The other 1% who will do, are doing it for e-peen value, not profit. And they could do that to you whether you were in a BS, a hauler, or whatever.
Lesson: you're never safe :)
On the whole you're right, people don't go after tech2 haulers, its too much hassle. The ones that do though .. thats a different story.
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Mordocik
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Gabby05
If you want to put off any high sec gate camper buy a freighter wont have to worry about high sec gankings at all unless the person has a grudge.
Until then dont travel afk within 5/6 jumps from popular high sec hubs.
This is correct, but possibly not for the reason you meant. It is still entirely possible to kill a freighter in concord patrolled space the issue though is that freighters don't drop cargo containers hence it's never worth it.
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Macro Media
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:36:00 -
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5 Low Skilled Ravens can pop any cargo droping ship in any system. A t2 industrial can be poped by 2-3 ravens in 0.5. In a 1.0, I tend to use at least 6 ravens plus hauler plus 2-3 newbs as scouts to tell us in advance of what players are carrying.
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