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Speculation Dave
Tiericide Kings
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Posted - 2014.06.01 07:37:00 -
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Hello again!
I am looking for a new loan to help with my latest speculation.
I want to borrow 5B for 2-3 months and I am willing to offer 8% per month for that
I think it will only be 2 months but just in case I need longer I want to have the option for 3 months.
I will be using the isk to buy speculation stock for the kronos expansion. I will keep the stuff I buy in highsec stations and I may have to move some with courier contracts but no stupid risks will be taken
I have no collateral I can offer right now. So I dont mind having more than one investor but please at least 1B each or it will be a pain. I like Grendles idea of giving priority to large investors and past investors so I will do that to.
Here are the links to my old loans which have all been paid:-
2B loan request @ 10% for 2 weeks (No collateral) 20B loan request @ 2% long term (Battlecruisers as collateral and was 2.5% really) 30B loan request @ 6% medium term (No collateral) 10B loan @ 4% for 3 weeks (Battlecruisers as collateral) 60B loan refinance @ 2% long term (Battlecruisers and Battleships as collateral) 30B loan request @ 6% short term (No collateral) 30B loan request @ 6% short term (No collateral)
Here is the link to my last loan which did not get filled:-
20B loan request @ 6% short term (No collateral)
Thank you for your time!
Reservations:- |

Rejuice K
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.01 08:37:00 -
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i'll fill it with 5b |

Speculation Dave
Tiericide Kings
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Posted - 2014.06.01 08:51:00 -
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awesome!
send it over when you are ready |

Rejuice K
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
5
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Posted - 2014.06.01 08:58:00 -
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isk send |

Speculation Dave
Tiericide Kings
16
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Posted - 2014.06.01 09:04:00 -
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thanks!
first intrest will be 400M at 1st july |

Rejuice K
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.07.01 16:29:00 -
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its the 1st of july :) |

Rejuice K
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
5
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Posted - 2014.07.02 20:16:00 -
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So I still havent seen any sight of the loaner nor the interest, im wondering if his on vacation or something  |

Mamad0u SAKHO
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.07.07 17:25:00 -
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Rejuice K wrote:So I still havent seen any sight of the loaner nor the interest, im wondering if his on vacation or something 
bye bye ISK, at least he give you collateral. |

Rejuice K
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
5
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Posted - 2014.07.07 20:02:00 -
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Mamad0u SAKHO wrote:Rejuice K wrote:So I still havent seen any sight of the loaner nor the interest, im wondering if his on vacation or something  bye bye ISK, at least he give you collateral.
What I find strange is that a 4 days old toon, who has only been trying to sell 2 moons and never been on the MD forum comes here and post, that smells rather fishy - I suppose its just an alt of the OP.
But atleast we now all know that the OP can never be trusted again |

okoolos rimmer
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.07 22:57:00 -
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Looks like the guy decided to cash out on his rep. The days of uncollateralized loans are really coming to a close. |

SCLZ
New Eden Shipyards
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Posted - 2014.07.08 05:17:00 -
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Looking at some of those numbers 5b ISK seems a little low for him to aim for if he planned to cash out I would have thought?
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
370
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Posted - 2014.07.08 05:48:00 -
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He wouldn't be the first borrower to get run over. .
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
504
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Posted - 2014.07.08 06:56:00 -
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SCLZ wrote:Looking at some of those numbers 5b ISK seems a little low for him to aim for if he planned to cash out I would have thought? 5B is better than nothing. Given that RAW23 had already called out Speculation Dave as my alt in the previous loan thread. |

Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
370
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Posted - 2014.07.08 07:56:00 -
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Aw, that's boring. .
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SCLZ
New Eden Shipyards
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Posted - 2014.07.08 08:11:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:5B is better than nothing. Well certainly can't argue with that 
Still, I reckon there would have been some folks who would have fronted up with a combined sum greater than 5b - but maybe I'm being overly optimistic/pessimistic. |

Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
504
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Posted - 2014.07.08 09:05:00 -
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SCLZ wrote:Bad Bobby wrote:5B is better than nothing. Well certainly can't argue with that  Still, I reckon there would have been some folks who would have fronted up with a combined sum greater than 5b - but maybe I'm being overly optimistic/pessimistic. Sure, I could have put up another loan request in the 20-30B range and hoped to get away with the isk before the MD police arrived on the scene.
However, larger uncollateralised loans tend to take longer to fill and so the risk would have been greater. There were also other time constraints due to the fact that the account only had something like 2 days left on it's sub.
I wasn't interested in getting in to a situation where I was having to defend another blatantly obvious alt from RAW23's advanced eyebrow analysis techniques just so I could liberate an extra 25B.
I think it's important to know when to walk away from a failed scam, because time spent trying to salvage this would have been better spent on something else. |

Plleasure Hub
Space Goat Logistics
37
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Posted - 2014.07.08 13:01:00 -
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We have you in our database now, punk. You will never set foot 100 AU near MD with those eyebrow again. "There's no meaningful difference between a real and a virtual world. It's pointless to ask anyone who they really are. All you can do is accept and believe in them, because whoever they are in your mind, is their true identity." GÇö Kazuto Kirigaya |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5445
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Posted - 2014.07.08 15:46:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:
I wasn't interested in getting in to a situation where I was having to defend another blatantly obvious alt from RAW23's advanced eyebrow analysis techniques just so I could liberate an extra 25B.
I think it's important to know when to walk away from a failed scam, because time spent trying to salvage this would have been better spent on something else.
As you know, RAW23 was not the only one getting suspicious with "eyebrows analysis", in fact if I recall correctly I mentioned there's also (at least) another alt of yours "brewing up" on MD.
However I was a bit disappointed at getting out with just 5B, seeing the past bonds I'd have imagined a run off with say 20B or more, the rep grinding done would have allowed for that.
The "sub about to expire" thing does not convince me really much. Knowing you could at a minimum gather 10B and walk off, those additional 5B would have afforded the alt way more than a 1 month PLEX sub renewal. Basically you'd have put 700M or so on the platter to get off with 10B (if not 20, 1 month could afford you to accept a slow ISK trickle). Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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flakeys
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2286
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Posted - 2014.07.08 15:52:00 -
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At times you take the bullet ... at times you dodge them , looks like i dodged a bullet a while back .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
504
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Posted - 2014.07.08 16:50:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:As you know, RAW23 was not the only one getting suspicious with "eyebrows analysis", in fact if I recall correctly I mentioned there's also (at least) another alt of yours "brewing up" on MD. Sorry, I don't mean to give RAW23 all the glory. I'm sure you and the other people who posted wise statements in these threads can figure out how to share the scalp. But I do feel that RAW23's clinical assassination of Blueprint Seller was pretty telling. With the underlying shill character totally discredited, he then had total traction on any accusations he cared to make about Speculation Dave.
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:However I was a bit disappointed at getting out with just 5B, seeing the past bonds I'd have imagined a run off with say 20B or more, the rep grinding done would have allowed for that. You and me both... and certainly I had my eyes on 50B+ for this particular sequence. But it wasn't to be.
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:The "sub about to expire" thing does not convince me really much. Knowing you could at a minimum gather 10B and walk off, those additional 5B would have afforded the alt way more than a 1 month PLEX sub renewal. Basically you'd have put 700M or so on the platter to get off with 10B (if not 20, 1 month could afford you to accept a slow ISK trickle). It wasn't really a factor in the decision to exit at 5B, it was a factor in the timing of that exit.
flakeys wrote:At times you take the bullet ... at times you dodge them , looks like i dodged a bullet a while back  . Yeah, I had 25B of public isk in my hands on that one. 
But I wouldn't have been able to live with scamming you or VV. So I had to roll the dice some more. |

RAW23
842
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Posted - 2014.07.08 18:02:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:But I do feel that RAW23's clinical assassination of Blueprint Seller was pretty telling. With the underlying shill character totally discredited, he then had total traction on any accusations he cared to make about Speculation Dave.
I missed this thread! Dave got another go after failing to fill the previous bond? Say it ain't so ... I thought I had done the work on that one. All the investor needed to do was read the last link Dave provides in the OP here 
okoolos rimmer wrote:Looks like the guy decided to cash out on his rep. The days of uncollateralized loans are really coming to a close.
Dave's rep should already have been flushed. This has nothing to do with uncollateralised loans, per se, and everything to do with investors ... again ... failing to take the most basic steps to protect themselves.
Plleasure Hub wrote:We have you in our database now, punk. You will never set foot 100 AU near MD with those eyebrow again.
That's a seriously scary image and will haunt my dreams but the eye-brow match is better than I imagined. I thought that was intellectually the weakest part of the analysis on Blueprint Seller whilst at the same time being the most satisfying from an intuitive perspective. I'm still wondering if there was some role-playing going on with that one, with Bobby deliberately designing a character that looks like BB in disguise or after surgery, or whether there was just a subconscious leaning towards that look. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |

RAW23
842
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Posted - 2014.07.08 18:05:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:flakeys wrote:At times you take the bullet ... at times you dodge them , looks like i dodged a bullet a while back  . Yeah, I had 25B of public isk in my hands on that one.  But I wouldn't have been able to live with scamming you or VV. So I had to roll the dice some more.
This makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |

Koniforous
Tauren Transit
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Posted - 2014.07.08 19:35:00 -
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I base all investment decision on eyebrow analysis, after witnessing the power RAW23 wields with his expertise.
RAW23 for CSM! TAUTX Bank: 12.5% of profits paid to investors monthly. More info: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=322582&find=unread |

Plleasure Hub
Space Goat Logistics
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Posted - 2014.07.08 19:39:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:That's a seriously scary image and will haunt my dreams but the eye-brow match is better than I imagined. I thought that was intellectually the weakest part of the analysis on Blueprint Seller whilst at the same time being the most satisfying from an intuitive perspective. Thank you, sir. We will defeat these criminals with the Bureau's modern techniques of investigation and your visionary leadership.
RAW23 wrote:I'm still wondering if there was some role-playing going on with that one, with Bobby deliberately designing a character that looks like BB in disguise or after surgery, or whether there was just a subconscious leaning towards that look. I hope there was deliberation involved, or else BB has some serious issues with his definition of beauty. "There's no meaningful difference between a real and a virtual world. It's pointless to ask anyone who they really are. All you can do is accept and believe in them, because whoever they are in your mind, is their true identity." GÇö Kazuto Kirigaya |

flakeys
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2286
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Posted - 2014.07.08 20:00:00 -
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Plleasure Hub wrote: I hope there was deliberation involved, or else BB has some serious issues with his definition of beauty.
Somethingsomething is in the eye of the beholder ? 
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
390
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Posted - 2014.07.08 20:20:00 -
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RAW23 wrote: That's a seriously scary image and will haunt my dreams but the eye-brow match is better than I imagined. I thought that was intellectually the weakest part of the analysis on Blueprint Seller whilst at the same time being the most satisfying from an intuitive perspective. I'm still wondering if there was some role-playing going on with that one, with Bobby deliberately designing a character that looks like BB in disguise or after surgery, or whether there was just a subconscious leaning towards that look.
Maybe it's less about the money itself (I get the impression that BB isn't going to care much about 20bil one way or the other) and more about amusing himself by seeing how hard he can scam while leaving not-so-subtle tells on his characters. |

Ria Nieyli
11864
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Posted - 2014.07.08 21:00:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Plleasure Hub wrote: I hope there was deliberation involved, or else BB has some serious issues with his definition of beauty.
Somethingsomething is in the eyebrow of the beholder ? 
Not empty quoting. Do not remove a fly from your friend's forehead with a hatchet.
- Ancient Chinese Proverb |

Plleasure Hub
Space Goat Logistics
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Posted - 2014.07.08 22:28:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Somethingsomething is in the eye of the beholder ?  In this case, dirt and face herpes are in the eye of the beholder, blocking his vision during the character creation process and causing him to create leprechaun / creepy uncle type avatars.
No offense, BB. "There's no meaningful difference between a real and a virtual world. It's pointless to ask anyone who they really are. All you can do is accept and believe in them, because whoever they are in your mind, is their true identity." GÇö Kazuto Kirigaya |

Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
505
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Posted - 2014.07.09 05:04:00 -
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Voyager Arran wrote:Maybe it's less about the money itself (I get the impression that BB isn't going to care much about 20bil one way or the other) and more about amusing himself by seeing how hard he can scam while leaving not-so-subtle tells on his characters. It's much the same as choosing to solo PvP in a notoriously bad ship without scouts or links in order to increase the challenge and thrill. You are not forced to make things hard for yourself, but even somewhat mundane victories become all the more impressive and enjoyable if you do.
I think this is particularly relevant nowdays when there isn't really any auditing going on and good critical analysis is scarce. The barriers to MD scamming are set quite low and the most significant problem you have to overcome is that there isn't much investment activity... a problem for legitimate borrowers and scammers alike.
I wouldn't advise relying too much on eyebrow analysis, because I can click the randomize button just as easily as anyone else! |

flakeys
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2286
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Posted - 2014.07.09 08:50:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:Voyager Arran wrote:Maybe it's less about the money itself (I get the impression that BB isn't going to care much about 20bil one way or the other) and more about amusing himself by seeing how hard he can scam while leaving not-so-subtle tells on his characters. It's much the same as choosing to solo PvP in a notoriously bad ship without scouts or links in order to increase the challenge and thrill.
I resent this comment , even though i am behind on iskratio last months on zkillboard i will NOT tolerate people calling my breacher a notoriously bad ship ....
/me coughs
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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