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BlitzP
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Posted - 2006.06.08 15:46:00 -
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I just got back to my computer and sent the rest of the money to him.
Here is what happened.
1. Player A sent me 30 million isk
2. I noticed my wallet went up quite a bit, thought it was one of the lottery I entered (I entered big game and naga lottery recently, got nothing in big but haven't checked if I won in naga, thought this was naga winning)
3. I contacted that player, asking him if it was a mistake
4. He replied yes.
5. Unfortunately, professor is really pushing us hard so we can be ready for our final this Saturday. I am studying so I did not send his money back immediate.
6. After 2 days, I sent him money, thinking I was sending the whole 30,000,000 but in haste, only sent 3 million instead
7. I sent him a simple eve mail, said done, not realizing I only sent 3 million rather than 30
8. He sent a reply that I was not happy about.
9. I posted about this in forum.
No, I was just a bit unhappy of this whole affair. I started out with good intention. I made a mistake in haste (returned 3 million rather than whole 27 million). I should've thought communications can be tough over the internet. Because I was unhappy, I thought about giving the rest of his money back a bit later (plus I have a final in 2 days doesn't help either).
Notice in my original post, in my last sentence, I am just wondering how long I should make him wait before I send the rest of the money, I never ever said I will not give his money back.
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Victoria Principal
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Posted - 2006.06.08 15:51:00 -
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So sensitive it's pathetic. Either tell him to ***** himself and keep the money, or give him the money back and stop ********.
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Zezman
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Posted - 2006.06.08 15:53:00 -
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I'd give it back in neat chunks of 500,000 each, just to spam his wallet over and over again. 
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Mikal Drey
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Posted - 2006.06.08 16:17:00 -
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*8
if he posted a reply that you wernt happy about and tbh that sounds like he was being plain rude.
K E E P I T :)
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Heritor
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Posted - 2006.06.08 16:35:00 -
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Do people actually notice 30 million appearing in their wallets 
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Idara
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Posted - 2006.06.08 16:37:00 -
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I'd keep it. I doubt that if I made a similar mistake the other person would give it back.
Besides, people should know better than to send ISK/setup Escrows without triple checking every bit of info.
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Constantine Arcanum
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Posted - 2006.06.08 16:50:00 -
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I would give it him all back except for a 100% stupidity tax.
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Montague Zooma
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Posted - 2006.06.08 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: Montague Zooma on 08/06/2006 19:03:46
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you get 30 million - send me back 3 million and say done?
There is nothing wrong with that reply. The player likely suspects you are having a good laugh at his expense...you got his hopes up that he'd get back his 30 million...but then you only send him 10% of that and say "done".
Try some empathy. First it looks like you're a good guy rectifying a mistake. Then it looks like you're yanking his chain. Under the circumstances, he sent a very restrained reply...it looks like he hopes you made a mistake instead of toying with him, but isn't sure.
Do the right thing and give his money back. It only takes a few seconds and won't eat into your study time...that's the lamest excuse I've seen yet on this forum. You've wasted far more study time by bringing up the issue here.
Either do the right thing or don't...there's no reason to delay.
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Please pardon my blunt post. You chose to do the right thing in the first place. Kudos to you for that. My main point is you shouldn't penalize him for being bewildered when you only sent back 10% of his money. Stick to the high road!
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Kensaru Kentabi
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Posted - 2006.06.08 19:57:00 -
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His reply didn't sound out of line or rude to me either. On the other had, you're not obligated to give it back. (Although I see that you did).
Probably really no wrong answer there. Not sure what I would have done.
A few years back I was a bouncer at a nightclub working the door with another guy. I found a $20 bill on the floor and no who could have dropped it was around. So I asked the guy I was working with:
"If you found $20 on the floor would you split it with me?"
He said "No way dude. Why?"
That made it easy.
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TricksR4Cats
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Posted - 2006.06.08 20:30:00 -
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Hmm am I the only one that read the message as "I've got the 3 million, you keep the 27 million and call it even" - ie he's saying thanks for being nice, keep the rest, he's happy with the 3m.
I dont see where the OP got any negative vibes from...  
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BlitzP
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Posted - 2006.06.08 21:24:00 -
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Thanks for all the replies. It's really interesting to see all the responses and I can see from different perspective and sympathize with the person who initially made the transfer.
He transferred the 3 million isk back to me earlier today. I sent him 30 million, he sent 30 million back, he also sent me 2 eve mail during the mean time. So far, I've sent him 30 million back twice because he sent my initial 30 million isk back to me. I never imagined it's so hard to return 30 million isk to someone :)
Anyways, this has been quite educational. I didn't realize how much scam is going on in eve that could've influenced how people respond/react. I thought he would be happy that I will return his isk. Based on the responses, it also made me realize eve community is quite diverse, at least from the opinions I got from my posts.
For some of you think real life issue/problem is not an excuse, I'm sorry, to me, it is the truth, if you cannot accept that, that's unfortunate. I sincerely wish you will not be in the same situation as I am, where real life really demand a lot of my time and eve time is a luxury for me right now. That is why I said in an earlier post, I like the fact eve trains in real time so I don't have to play eve, just make enough isk, buy skillbook, log into eve, setup training, idle or log off.
Hope I'll have more time to play eve in the future and see you all more often in the future.
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TheNecromancer
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Posted - 2006.06.09 05:07:00 -
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yes I would
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Tripoli
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Posted - 2006.06.09 05:20:00 -
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I'd give it back. Totally worth saving face. Always.
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Ter'rick
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Posted - 2006.06.09 06:45:00 -
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Edited by: Ter''rick on 09/06/2006 06:46:45
A friend sent me a few million ISK and I didn't get it. He found out he mispelled my name and sent it to another character by mistake. I eve-mailed the person and they were kind enough to send the ISK back to me. It was an honest mistake and the person was honest enough to send the ISK to me. Was nice to see honest people in this game.
Most newer MMOs and the players know nothing about integrity and reputation.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2006.06.09 06:51:00 -
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depends who itis.
but on the most part no.
a 2 year old character should know better and thus does not deserve it.
a 3 month old character transfering say 200mill seems a little to fluid with cash abd is proabably some vets alt so once agan no.
15 mill or so from a 3 week old guy in a small unknown corp i may give back.
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Wulfstan
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Posted - 2006.06.09 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: TricksR4Cats
Hmm am I the only one that read the message as "I've got the 3 million, you keep the 27 million and call it even" - ie he's saying thanks for being nice, keep the rest, he's happy with the 3m.
I dont see where the OP got any negative vibes from...
Likewise. I think you're both good guys.
You've offered to give it back, and his reply sounds like "Cheers for your honesty. In fact thanks so much you can keep almost all of it."
If the guy is a long timer 30 mill might be almost pocketchange to him. Like finding Bill Gates's wallet with $1000 dollars in it and returning it, he might say "**** it, thanks for your honesty but keep the contents."
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Hey You
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Posted - 2006.06.10 00:57:00 -
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If it was a friend, someone known to me(And liked), or someone I would like to remain friends with, or become friends with, I would send it back. Anyone else? **** em.
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Di Jiensai
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Posted - 2006.06.10 01:55:00 -
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To the OP:
The Moral side is realy easy. give it back. he didnt send it intently to you, so it is not yours to keep.
To draw a RL analogy, someone lost something and you found it.
the Right thing is to return it.
Of course Morals is a term without mening by itself, some philosopers have defined it and build an Ethic system which they think leads to the best possible situation for all if used as a rule. An example would be Hegel. If i am not worng, he said something along the lines of "If you dont want something to happen to you, dont do it to someone else."
In this exact situation, do what you feel is right.
I'll tell you something that happend to me just a few days ago:
I got an evemail telling me "Hey you got a good price for your XXX ". I was unaware of what he meant, and cecked my wallet to find, that he bought XXX from me for 40M isk. XXX is actally worth about 4M. I obviously had made a typo when setting up the sell order.
So, i send him an evemail to tell him that it was not intentionally and as a sign of good will i would send him 15M isk back, and keep the rest as a learning fee for him. 
There you are. i didnt give all of it back, and i did some reasoning for myself, allong the lines of "Can't hurt him that much, if he doesnt pay attention when trading these expensive modules.... blablabla"
In fact i was happy over the +40M on my wallet, and wanted to keep it. But couldnt bring myself to do it, so i send some part back to feel better.
Problem solved?
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Hoshi Mandella
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Posted - 2006.06.10 02:04:00 -
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I thought most of the game revolved around taking what isnt yours?
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Akurion
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Posted - 2006.06.10 02:46:00 -
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I'm glad you gave it back.
There's a tendancy in EVE toward heartlessness -- I see people saying and doing things that in real life would quickly get them branded as immoral scum. And that's not even the pirates.
I don't know if EVE makes people that way, or if that's the sort of person it attracts.
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BlitzP
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Posted - 2006.06.10 04:22:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=349036&page=2#31
That is a recap. There has been new development but I don't have time to follow up and report. I will report it next week when I have more time.
30 million has been returned, that's the latest. He said he escrowed something for me. I thanked him but explained to him I don't have time to play eve much right now, not until next week. He agreed to hold the escrow for me for 7 days. He did not tell me what he has escrowed so I have no idea. FYI, I've been playing eve for less than 2 months so far and 30 million extra in my wallet is quite noticeable, and I've already learned quite a bit from this thread (what the community might be like) as well as how to avoid this in the future (I posted a thread in the feature request forum and learned I can have commas in my amount so it'll be easier for me to count digits next time) I intent to check it out next week when I recover from my sleep deprevation. I've kinda passed out twice already within the past week due to lack of sleep so...need to recover first. No, it's not from playing eve, I wish :(
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