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Tea Spoon
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:27:00 -
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I've heard things like the Pilgrim, Rapier and Arazu can be extremely effective ransom/killing pirate ships for solo work and especially handy to have in a gang.
I couldnt see any threads that mentioned much about Recon Force Ships but after looking over them it seems completely viable considering the slots availible.
Anybody have much success with any of these ships and would like to share their opinions? possibly setups o_O? :P
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:29:00 -
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I'd consider doing it in pilgrim, probably isn't worth it solo in the others.
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James Snowscoran
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Posted - 2006.06.08 14:03:00 -
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All but the pilgrim have hefty issues with damage dealing and won't be able to break many tanks. The pilgrim, on the other hand, can be a real killer with nos+drones.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.06.08 14:08:00 -
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I use a Rapier, Pilgrim is garbage to me.
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Xendie
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Posted - 2006.06.08 14:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
I use a Rapier, Pilgrim is garbage to me.
that depends on how you have setup your rapier and how he has setup his pilgrim.
Originally by: F'nog
This would be great, because lag is not at all a problem currently.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.06.08 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
I use a Rapier, Pilgrim is garbage to me.
that depends on how you have setup your rapier and how he has setup his pilgrim.
Yeah I know, just like ****ing off the mimics. I had some tundragon guy going on how great the pilgrim was this and that after he insulted my Rapier. Some people just don't understand that other ships are good too. Not about following the herd of what's the flavor of the week.
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ian666
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Posted - 2006.06.08 14:37:00 -
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Rapier with 2x Webs and a AB can dictate the range and stay out of the 20k std scam range and would be very useful in a gang for holding the target and stay out of its fire range, even 1 vs 1 it can pull apart frig class ships but i'm not sure how it would hold its own if something came along with drones.
The Pilgrim is more of a sneaky up close and engange ship, with ECM, Nos and Drones its going to pwn pretty much anything 1 vs 1.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.06.08 15:06:00 -
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Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 08/06/2006 15:09:09
Originally by: ian666
Rapier with 2x Webs and a AB can dictate the range and stay out of the 20k std scam range and would be very useful in a gang for holding the target and stay out of its fire range, even 1 vs 1 it can pull apart frig class ships but i'm not sure how it would hold its own if something came along with drones.
The Pilgrim is more of a sneaky up close and engange ship, with ECM, Nos and Drones its going to pwn pretty much anything 1 vs 1.
Ahh more ignorant pilots 4tw!
-Damages-
Lets say you're dumb enough to use 3xNoS and 5xMedium tech II drones.
DPS : 119.057
Lets say you're a bit smarter and don't depend all damage on drones.
DPS 1xNoS/2xHeavy Pulse II : 154.512
DPS 2xHeatSink : 171.178
Good stuff really. Lets see the Rapier
3x220 II, 4xValk II's
DPS : 173.856
3x220 II, 4xValk II's, 2xGyro II
DPS : 224.67
What's wrong guys can't figure out what the Rapier has more DPS and why Ian666 just doesn't know what he is talking about? Here is the Pilgrim not using NoS...
3xHeavy Pulse Laser II, 2xHeat Sink II, 5xValk II's
DPS : 275.359
So yeah besides all of that. Rapier can solo 2 tech 1 cruisers fine. I did last night matter of fact. Rapier has 6 med slots for awsome ECM platform. I usaly run 4xHypnos multispecs. Sometimes 5 with no webber. Either way, it's pretty powerful AS the pilgrim is. However, Rapier has a drone bay too you know. It might not have a nos bonus or drone bonus but it can still put down ships just the same. If you picked the pilgrim because it would pwn the other recons then you're doing something wrong. As well if you think relying on just your drones for majority of your dps then your doing something wrong. Only a 75m3 drone bay, don't be risky with it.
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Mihae
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Posted - 2006.06.08 16:42:00 -
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What about Laechis then? It seems nice with 7x Medslots.
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Prestis
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Posted - 2006.06.08 16:48:00 -
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I wanted to try this until I saw the Minmatar force recon bonus 
I can't think of one possible use for 40km webbing. Use it with 720 artil? They'll track most stuff fine at that range anyway. Stop runners? Maybe if it was scrambling too.
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tomw
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Posted - 2006.06.08 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mihae
What about Laechis then? It seems nice with 7x Medslots.
ive been playing with one off and on and basic setup ive come up with was "off the top of my head, not ingame atm"
high = 2 named nos, 3 t2 heavy launchers
mid = 1 sensor booster, 2 20km disruptors, 4 named dampeners "named stuff uses less cap"
low = med armor rep, passive t2 hardeners.
t2 drones as well.
done a bit of testing and its a balencing act between ganking and getting ganked as the nos means your close. nos is really needed to sustain ecm very long without some sort of capacitor mods. against a bs in testing its come out pretty good every time unless it was a bs with 2-3 sensor boosters, then i was just locked and had to resort to tanking or running. against cruisers it seemed to fair much better but i think a web would be in order then to keep you out of lock range and keep them in scramble range.
might suck, might not still tweeking
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OrangeAfroMan
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Posted - 2006.06.08 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Prestis
I wanted to try this until I saw the Minmatar force recon bonus
I can't think of one possible use for 40km webbing. Use it with 720 artil? They'll track most stuff fine at that range anyway. Stop runners? Maybe if it was scrambling too.
Can you say death to all inties?
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.06.08 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: OrangeAfroMan
Originally by: Prestis
I wanted to try this until I saw the Minmatar force recon bonus
I can't think of one possible use for 40km webbing. Use it with 720 artil? They'll track most stuff fine at that range anyway. Stop runners? Maybe if it was scrambling too.
Can you say death to all inties?
Indeed, it's not even about the web bonus. It's about the painter bonus really, being you can snipe with the painter (60km falloff). Most inties, for example in 0.0 just hug on the gates. Then you uncloak, kind of got the "stun" thing going on for me being im blinky. Lock, paint, and laugh as the 720 tech II does it's work on a target not moving and painted. :P
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cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
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Posted - 2006.06.08 18:29:00 -
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i fly a rapier but also Arazu and Rook and it doesnt take a 40km web to anti ceptor its called the Enyo
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Deathhawk
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Posted - 2006.06.08 20:18:00 -
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ive done some testing with the arazu on sisi and i think it would work really well for ransoming and just plain killing, so i will be using one in the near future.. well when the isk starts to flow again lol
killed bs with it so i think itll be fine
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.06.08 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Deathhawk
ive done some testing with the arazu on sisi and i think it would work really well for ransoming and just plain killing, so i will be using one in the near future.. well when the isk starts to flow again lol
killed bs with it so i think itll be fine
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I Ransom plz pay when asked
I'm training for it and it also looks like a good recon for piracy. I don't know if I'll use damps on it though. The ECM platform with the scrambler range bonus should be useful. As well Deathhawk, the armor resistances are pretty nifty too.
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Verone
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Posted - 2006.06.08 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
As well Deathhawk, the armor resistances are pretty nifty too.
Tank 4tw.
I've tried the curse and pilgrim, can fly the gallentes too... so i'll be trying them soon.
All are great for solo stuff so far, and are pretty sweet at support in a small gang of frigates anc cruisers 
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Kehmor
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Posted - 2006.06.08 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
some DPS info
with 3 ogre II's pilgrim gets like 300+ dps
think with interfacing 5 its like 350, but i worked this out quickly on paper so may be wrong
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Bosie
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Posted - 2006.06.08 23:55:00 -
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Only used the Falcon so far for piracy, it is great as support but sucks solo as it lacks any teeht. I'll be using the Gall ones in about 7 days and I think they it will be possible to selective solo some things.
Bosie.
"There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word,
which means more to me than any other.
That word is ENGLAND."
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Verone
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Posted - 2006.06.09 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Bosie
Only used the Falcon so far for piracy, it is great as support but sucks solo as it lacks any teeht.
Bosie means to say "Teeth" but he's from the north east like me, and hasn't yet fully grasped the concept of using a keyboard rather than chiseling the letters into rocks...
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Bosie
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Posted - 2006.06.09 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Bosie
Only used the Falcon so far for piracy, it is great as support but sucks solo as it lacks any teeht.
Bosie means to say "Teeth" but he's from the north east like me, and hasn't yet fully grasped the concept of using a keyboard rather than chiseling the letters into rocks...
Uhh? /emote smacks a rock of his head to clear the confusion...
Bosie.
"There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word,
which means more to me than any other.
That word is ENGLAND."
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.06.09 03:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kehmor
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
some DPS info
with 3 ogre II's pilgrim gets like 300+ dps
think with interfacing 5 its like 350, but i worked this out quickly on paper so may be wrong
3 is just not good enough to run with being that's all you can fit. It's cool it boosts DPS higher and all but when you factor in speed, chasing, and the on going drone bugs. It's much better to just have 5 or a bunch of light drones. All your play style anyways.
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The End
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Posted - 2006.06.09 04:43:00 -
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My Arazu is awesome
get 2x domination scramblers and your scrambler range is like 45km
i have maxed out sensor damp skills so my dampners do about -70% sensor range a piece. as i use 3 of them
even with maxed hybrid skills the damage output is a bit weak. drones help out a bit
I can scramble at 40km and sensor dampen the target to death with ease. if the target has a good tank i will not be able to kill it solo. but against most people it works.
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Xendie
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Posted - 2006.06.09 07:42:00 -
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nevertheless how much everyone spins it, the recons are at their best in packs with a damage dealer also.
Originally by: F'nog
This would be great, because lag is not at all a problem currently.
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TuRtLe HeAd
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Posted - 2006.06.09 08:11:00 -
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Rapier Rocks at belt piracy. So does Arazu.
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Don Carn'age
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Posted - 2006.06.09 08:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kehmor
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
some DPS info
with 3 ogre II's pilgrim gets like 300+ dps
think with interfacing 5 its like 350, but i worked this out quickly on paper so may be wrong
What happens when you loose a drone or two? You become useless. Take 5 medium and 5 light drones.
% light drones will tear through a frigate in second if using T2
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Zandramus
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Posted - 2006.06.09 12:21:00 -
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i took my curse out for a stroll lastnight it was pretty nice
i like the curse better then the pilgrim
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kessah
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Posted - 2006.06.09 13:24:00 -
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ive had some good success with the pilgrim.
I do love thos when ur about 5km from ur unaware target then pm them asking for the ransom then. Get given the fu and show him the error of his ways and ofc bump the ransom up by 25% becus of his fair warning 
but tbh im looking forward to the matari FRC, i generally hate drones there still completly stupid for me atm, but yes its a nice ship.
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Asphyxia DeNoir
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Posted - 2006.06.09 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 08/06/2006 15:09:09
Originally by: ian666
Rapier with 2x Webs and a AB can dictate the range and stay out of the 20k std scam range and would be very useful in a gang for holding the target and stay out of its fire range, even 1 vs 1 it can pull apart frig class ships but i'm not sure how it would hold its own if something came along with drones.
The Pilgrim is more of a sneaky up close and engange ship, with ECM, Nos and Drones its going to pwn pretty much anything 1 vs 1.
Ahh more ignorant pilots 4tw!
-Damages-
Lets say you're dumb enough to use 3xNoS and 5xMedium tech II drones.
DPS : 119.057
Lets say you're a bit smarter and don't depend all damage on drones.
DPS 1xNoS/2xHeavy Pulse II : 154.512
DPS 2xHeatSink : 171.178
Good stuff really. Lets see the Rapier
3x220 II, 4xValk II's
DPS : 173.856
3x220 II, 4xValk II's, 2xGyro II
DPS : 224.67
What's wrong guys can't figure out what the Rapier has more DPS and why Ian666 just doesn't know what he is talking about? Here is the Pilgrim not using NoS...
3xHeavy Pulse Laser II, 2xHeat Sink II, 5xValk II's
DPS : 275.359
So yeah besides all of that. Rapier can solo 2 tech 1 cruisers fine. I did last night matter of fact. Rapier has 6 med slots for awsome ECM platform. I usaly run 4xHypnos multispecs. Sometimes 5 with no webber. Either way, it's pretty powerful AS the pilgrim is. However, Rapier has a drone bay too you know. It might not have a nos bonus or drone bonus but it can still put down ships just the same. If you picked the pilgrim because it would pwn the other recons then you're doing something wrong. As well if you think relying on just your drones for majority of your dps then your doing something wrong. Only a 75m3 drone bay, don't be risky with it.
Out of curiosity, why are you so hostile? People are only presenting their opinions; you make it sound as though these people are complete idiots (or following the herd) simply because they're using the ships bonuses.
Lighten the f up.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.06.09 16:15:00 -
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Na, it's not hostile. I'm just loud spoken :)
Everyone is ignorant on different things including myself. Sometimes people confuse the use of ignorance as a insult when it's just a statement. Cheer up :)
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