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Tengu Grib
Happy Fun Fun
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Posted - 2014.08.17 19:28:00 -
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DrysonBennington wrote:Tengu Grib wrote:Tyburn Stannis wrote:There's posting while drunk, then there's... whatever that was o/ Yeah I have no idea what happened to Dryson. Before his posts were amusing but misguided. Now they are just rage filled non-sense. I'm so excited Tengu Grib that you can take words from my posts to create a sentence from. That is really ingenious of you. Now back to seriousness.....be watchful for the CODE. Alliance Rage Ganks to take place within the next week or so. As an Agent of the new Order I can say, "what the hell are you talking about?" Alliance Rage Ganks? Sorry Dryson, but you're out to lunch. Maybe you should try getting a spy into Code instead of just making wild speculations. Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. SolidX > i'm an alt IRL Guilty conscience? Buy a mining permit today. www.minerbumping.com |
Rabe Raptor
The Conference Elite CODE.
11
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Posted - 2014.08.17 20:43:00 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:Xifix Rova wrote:Without mining and industry you wouldn't have any ships to fly or blow up. Woohoo! My first Bingo tile of the day!
Luckily there will be plenty of code-compliant miners with permits to help make our ships. Together we can make Highsec a better place! The Law of Highsec Read it, share it, learn it, quote it, live it! |
Tengu Grib
Happy Fun Fun
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Posted - 2014.08.17 21:08:00 -
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Rabe Raptor wrote:Tengu Grib wrote:Xifix Rova wrote:Without mining and industry you wouldn't have any ships to fly or blow up. Woohoo! My first Bingo tile of the day! Luckily there will be plenty of code-compliant miners with permits to help make our ships. I've actually had to decline contracts because people build ships faster than I blow them up. Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. SolidX > i'm an alt IRL Guilty conscience? Buy a mining permit today. www.minerbumping.com |
Rabe Raptor
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2014.08.18 05:41:00 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:Rabe Raptor wrote:Tengu Grib wrote:Xifix Rova wrote:Without mining and industry you wouldn't have any ships to fly or blow up. Woohoo! My first Bingo tile of the day! Luckily there will be plenty of code-compliant miners with permits to help make our ships. I've actually had to decline contracts because people build ships faster than I blow them up.
Well hurry it up! :P Together we can make Highsec a better place! The Law of Highsec Read it, share it, learn it, quote it, live it! |
Robert Sawyer
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.18 10:32:00 -
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+1 on this post.
I'm a miner by heart, and it's what I do best... When my purse becomes too fat, I blow my ISK on PvP funtage. Now let me get to the point. Although I've never been ganked by these CODE clowns, my friends have. I've also been hearing about this goof that calls himself "The Saviour of Highsec". He thinks he's fighting "greedy carebears" and "filthy miners". We also have to purchase an "indulgence" for 10 million ISK so his thugs can stay off our asses. CODE and the New Order is wrong in every way about their ideas. Our will to mine, refine and produce goods is what drives the economy of this game. And I refuse to believe that everything that the CODE seizes is donated to the so-called "relief efforts". Everybody in the CODE is the stereotypical money-mongering goblin that has an unending appetite for ISKies. I don't know who the hell James 315 thinks he is, but I personally see him as the messiah of gankers disguised as the hero of miners. OP, it wouldn't be a bad idea if we could follow these guys and put the drop on them. Maybe we could gather some guys and teach these bastards a lesson "And when, at last, the moment is yours, that agony will become your greatest triumph." |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
255
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Posted - 2014.08.18 12:18:00 -
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DrysonBennington wrote:CODE. Alliance's Epic Fail continues with its tournament appearance.
EPIC Fail.....should be the prize given to CODE.
Even though CODE is an EPIC FAIL Tournament Alliance......They are going to invoke a new type of gank.
The new type of gank is called Rage Ganking where they will attack any ship they come into contact with.
Get ready for Rage Ganking New Eden.
Epic Fail.....now bring me your Llama Kalorned so I can shear it in front of you. So let me get this straight: you consider CODE. to be a bunch of dishonorable, immature, selfish, sociopaths, yet when they lose at an an attempt at what you would call "honorable" combat, this is the reaction you give them?
Okay then. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
I want to create content, not become content. |
Rabe Raptor
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2014.08.18 18:02:00 -
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Robert Sawyer wrote:+1 on this post. I'm a miner by heart, and it's what I do best... When my purse becomes too fat, I blow my ISK on PvP funtage. Now let me get to the point. Although I've never been ganked by these CODE clowns, my friends have. I've also been hearing about this goof that calls himself "The Saviour of Highsec". He thinks he's fighting "greedy carebears" and "filthy miners". We also have to purchase an "indulgence" for 10 million ISK so his thugs can stay off our asses. CODE and the New Order is wrong in every way about their ideas. Our will to mine, refine and produce goods is what drives the economy of this game. And I refuse to believe that everything that the CODE seizes is donated to the so-called "relief efforts". Everybody in the CODE is the stereotypical money-mongering goblin that has an unending appetite for ISKies. I don't know who the hell James 315 thinks he is, but I personally see him as the messiah of gankers disguised as the hero of miners. OP, it wouldn't be a bad idea if we could follow these guys and put the drop on them. Maybe we could gather some guys and teach these bastards a lesson
Thanks for the intel, I'll be sure and add you to our orange (gank on sight) list. ;) seeya around and keep that d-scan up!! Together we can make Highsec a better place! The Law of Highsec Read it, share it, learn it, quote it, live it! |
Rabe Raptor
The Conference Elite CODE.
18
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Posted - 2014.08.18 18:09:00 -
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DrysonBennington wrote:For those miner, freighter and Orca's pilots reading this thread the High Protectorate encourages you to take alternate routes away from Uedama and Aufay in order to keep from being ganked by CODE.
Your jumps and delivery times will be lengthened considerably which will cause the price of your services to increase you can be assured that your deliveries will arrive safely.
The cost offset for taking alternate routes is directly aligned with CODE's actions and any actions that are taken against them will help reduce their numbers and return the shipping lanes and expenses incurred to a normal rate.
It's better to pay a little more than have to lose the entire shipment.
You can blame CODE for the inflation.
Yeah and it will put you right through Niarja instead, where goons, brave newbies, and most other gankers operate. Super win advice!! Together we can make Highsec a better place! The Law of Highsec Read it, share it, learn it, quote it, live it! |
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2014.08.18 19:09:00 -
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I guess industrialists should just ask for a Red vs Blue escort through High Sec... a Rifter or two should be enough (maybe even overkill!) to make CODE run away... : D |
Irya Boone
Never Surrender.
373
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Posted - 2014.08.18 19:17:00 -
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Why WHY the CODE. why did you drop the tournament ? sangoku never drop tournament !!!
I heard it's a little bit difficult to win when your opponent is not in a retriever or covetor :x RENAME WH systems With the name of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It will be awesome.
GalMIl>>ALL |
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Robert Sawyer
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.18 21:08:00 -
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Rabe Raptor wrote:Robert Sawyer wrote:+1 on this post. I'm a miner by heart, and it's what I do best... When my purse becomes too fat, I blow my ISK on PvP funtage. Now let me get to the point. Although I've never been ganked by these CODE clowns, my friends have. I've also been hearing about this goof that calls himself "The Saviour of Highsec". He thinks he's fighting "greedy carebears" and "filthy miners". We also have to purchase an "indulgence" for 10 million ISK so his thugs can stay off our asses. CODE and the New Order is wrong in every way about their ideas. Our will to mine, refine and produce goods is what drives the economy of this game. And I refuse to believe that everything that the CODE seizes is donated to the so-called "relief efforts". Everybody in the CODE is the stereotypical money-mongering goblin that has an unending appetite for ISKies. I don't know who the hell James 315 thinks he is, but I personally see him as the messiah of gankers disguised as the hero of miners. OP, it wouldn't be a bad idea if we could follow these guys and put the drop on them. Maybe we could gather some guys and teach these bastards a lesson Thanks for the intel, I'll be sure and add you to our orange (gank on sight) list. ;) seeya around and keep that d-scan up!!
P*ss off.
Edit: CODE and New Order have been added with Terrible Standing, I will now be able to see you pricks from a mile away. Sure thing, I don't mind. You're actually doing me a favor by giving me killrights.
PS: Good luck getting CONCORD'd. "And when, at last, the moment is yours, that agony will become your greatest triumph." |
Tengu Grib
Happy Fun Fun
300
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Posted - 2014.08.18 21:11:00 -
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Robert Sawyer wrote:Rabe Raptor wrote:Robert Sawyer wrote:+1 on this post. I'm a miner by heart, and it's what I do best... When my purse becomes too fat, I blow my ISK on PvP funtage. Now let me get to the point. Although I've never been ganked by these CODE clowns, my friends have. I've also been hearing about this goof that calls himself "The Saviour of Highsec". He thinks he's fighting "greedy carebears" and "filthy miners". We also have to purchase an "indulgence" for 10 million ISK so his thugs can stay off our asses. CODE and the New Order is wrong in every way about their ideas. Our will to mine, refine and produce goods is what drives the economy of this game. And I refuse to believe that everything that the CODE seizes is donated to the so-called "relief efforts". Everybody in the CODE is the stereotypical money-mongering goblin that has an unending appetite for ISKies. I don't know who the hell James 315 thinks he is, but I personally see him as the messiah of gankers disguised as the hero of miners. OP, it wouldn't be a bad idea if we could follow these guys and put the drop on them. Maybe we could gather some guys and teach these bastards a lesson Thanks for the intel, I'll be sure and add you to our orange (gank on sight) list. ;) seeya around and keep that d-scan up!! **** off No need to get snarky and vulgar, geez. You advertise on here that you are a miner and that you dislike Code, what did you think was going to happen? Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. SolidX > i'm an alt IRL Guilty conscience? Buy a mining permit today. www.minerbumping.com |
Robert Sawyer
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
27
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Posted - 2014.08.18 21:12:00 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:Robert Sawyer wrote:Rabe Raptor wrote:Robert Sawyer wrote:+1 on this post. I'm a miner by heart, and it's what I do best... When my purse becomes too fat, I blow my ISK on PvP funtage. Now let me get to the point. Although I've never been ganked by these CODE clowns, my friends have. I've also been hearing about this goof that calls himself "The Saviour of Highsec". He thinks he's fighting "greedy carebears" and "filthy miners". We also have to purchase an "indulgence" for 10 million ISK so his thugs can stay off our asses. CODE and the New Order is wrong in every way about their ideas. Our will to mine, refine and produce goods is what drives the economy of this game. And I refuse to believe that everything that the CODE seizes is donated to the so-called "relief efforts". Everybody in the CODE is the stereotypical money-mongering goblin that has an unending appetite for ISKies. I don't know who the hell James 315 thinks he is, but I personally see him as the messiah of gankers disguised as the hero of miners. OP, it wouldn't be a bad idea if we could follow these guys and put the drop on them. Maybe we could gather some guys and teach these bastards a lesson Thanks for the intel, I'll be sure and add you to our orange (gank on sight) list. ;) seeya around and keep that d-scan up!! P*ss off No need to get snarky and vulgar, geez. You advertise on here that you are a miner and that you dislike Code, what did you think was going to happen?
Milking killrights, that's what I thought was gonna happen. "And when, at last, the moment is yours, that agony will become your greatest triumph." |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2014.08.18 21:16:00 -
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Robert Sawyer wrote:Milking killrights, that's what I thought was gonna happen. Killrights on -10.0 characters aren't really all that useful considering that anyone can already shoot them on sight anywhere without CONCORD/NPC intervention. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
I want to create content, not become content. |
Robert Sawyer
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
27
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Posted - 2014.08.18 21:22:00 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Robert Sawyer wrote:Milking killrights, that's what I thought was gonna happen. Killrights on -10.0 characters aren't really all that useful considering that anyone can already shoot them on sight anywhere without CONCORD/NPC intervention.
All to the better! Now, where is my locator agent...? "And when, at last, the moment is yours, that agony will become your greatest triumph." |
Robert Sawyer
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.19 15:42:00 -
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*sigh* As mentioned many times, gank the people with permits using THIS fit: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/57336-Catalyst-700-DPS-Suicide-Gank.html
"And when, at last, the moment is yours, that agony will become your greatest triumph." |
Tengu Grib
Happy Fun Fun
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:11:00 -
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Light Ion's? Really? Eeeeeew Neutrons or go home. Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. SolidX > i'm an alt IRL Guilty conscience? Buy a mining permit today. www.minerbumping.com |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
494
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:16:00 -
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Ions don't lose much DPS at all and make the fittings a lot easier if you don't have Weapon Upgrades V on your ganking alt or really need to bring a scram + ECCM or something (or you need grid for an Afterburner for some reason). In an ideal world Neutrons are the best choice but sometimes you just gotta gank with what you have. |
Tengu Grib
Happy Fun Fun
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:21:00 -
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Voyager Arran wrote:Ions don't lose much DPS at all and make the fittings a lot easier if you don't have Weapon Upgrades V on your ganking alt or really need to bring a scram + ECCM or something (or you need grid for an Afterburner for some reason). In an ideal world Neutrons are the best choice but sometimes you just gotta gank with what you have. Maybe I'm just used to running with gank toons that have advanced weapon upgrades to 4 and implants. I've never felt the need to have a web though. ECCM makes sense when you have white knights around. Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. SolidX > i'm an alt IRL Guilty conscience? Buy a mining permit today. www.minerbumping.com |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
494
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:38:00 -
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I run my gank catalysts with Neutrons, ECCM, and a Sensor Booster. ECCM is for faction police more than other players, the sebo is for podding, and I don't bother with a scram because miners almost never warp out in time and it would mean giving up something else. If I was ganking in a group I would probably mix one in, but I struggle to imagine what you would need a web on a Catalyst for. If you worried about things breaking out of your 2km killzone, bring a Thrasher instead. |
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Tengu Grib
Happy Fun Fun
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:56:00 -
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Voyager Arran wrote:I run my gank catalysts with Neutrons, ECCM, and a Sensor Booster. ECCM is for faction police more than other players, the sebo is for podding, and I don't bother with a scram because miners almost never warp out in time and it would mean giving up something else. If I was ganking in a group I would probably mix one in, but I struggle to imagine what you would need a web on a Catalyst for. If you worried about things breaking out of your 2km killzone, bring a Thrasher instead.
ECM and sensor booster both make total sense, and if a pilot was sacrificing neutrons for those, I wouldn't argue, especially in a group with someone else pointing, or just accepting that if the pilot manages to get back to keyboard they might escape. (which they rarely do) But sacrificing neutrons for a web makes no sense to me. As you said, you're having trouble keeping the target in the 2km killzone, thrashers will be better. Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. SolidX > i'm an alt IRL Guilty conscience? Buy a mining permit today. www.minerbumping.com |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
261
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:00:00 -
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I used to fly Gank Thoraxes and Taranises solo in losec. Against similar-sized/smaller targets, Ions and Neutrons did fairly similar DPS due to the superior tracking on Ions. But against targets bigger than you, neutrons were definitely worth the pain of fitting them.
Neither had an engagement range worth squat though, which is why, in the face of the current kiting meta, I fly rails now. (Or rather, I will once I get time to....)
EDIT: Re webs: for Catalysts ganking miners/haulers, webs don't really do much since your targets are already so slow. At best, if you're ganking in a group, have one Cat fit a web to absolutely minimize your target's transversal. Against anything else though, webs would be invaluable. As always, know your target and fit accordingly. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
I want to create content, not become content. |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
497
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:48:00 -
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ECCM + Sebo fits with Neutrons if you have good skills.
The only source of significant transversal in Catalyst vs Mackinaw is going to come from the Catalyst, probably from mashing approach blindly and bouncing off them at 0 meters. |
Regnag Leppod
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2014.08.19 21:00:00 -
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Has it been proven possible to prevent a gank by CODE. in the first place (specifically the gate ganks like Aufay)? Or is this more about getting in on killmails the easy way? |
Ginger Barbarella
2002
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Posted - 2014.08.19 21:59:00 -
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Kinda irrelevent, since: 1) Not all of the CODErs join the alliance 2) If someone wants you dead, you're dead.
Kudos for the wall of text, tho. :) "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Ginger Barbarella
2002
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:05:00 -
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DrysonBennington wrote:There is no such thing as James315 walking around in High Sector as your savior because any such notion conveys an anti-Christ mentality of someone saying that they are James from a religious textbook when in fact they are nothing more than the twisted and rotted flesh of someone from the past.
Your prophet is based on someone from the past who has died.
And with that, the thread failed.
Wow. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Ginger Barbarella
2003
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:11:00 -
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DrysonBennington wrote: Once CONCORD arrives and destroys your ship the aggression countdown begins. Five minutes after CONCORD arrives attack either the Bumping ship or the target with the second alt to draw a fresh group of CONCORD to the scene.
Continue to employ this tactic for as long as the targeted ship remains on auto-pilot. If CODE decides to arrive and do any ganking then CONCORD will already be on the scene and CODE will not be able to gank their prize.
I just can't help myself!!
On a side note, I seem to recall CCP saying that baiting CONCORD like you advocate above is against the EULA... can't recall the exact post, but it was in response to ganks during the heyday of Hulkageddon. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Tengu Grib
Happy Fun Fun
300
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:13:00 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote: EDIT: Re webs: for Catalysts ganking miners/haulers, webs don't really do much since your targets are already so slow. At best, if you're ganking in a group, have one Cat fit a web to absolutely minimize your target's transversal. Against anything else though, webs would be invaluable. As always, know your target and fit accordingly.
Ok that actually does make sense, I guess if you're trying to kill catalysts with other catalysts being able to prevent transversal. The ions for that particular situation would actually make sense, though I'm not sure having both Ions and webs would stack enough to make both the best in that situation. Then again, I typically do not shoot catalysts, so I'm not sure. Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. SolidX > i'm an alt IRL Guilty conscience? Buy a mining permit today. www.minerbumping.com |
Tengu Grib
Happy Fun Fun
300
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:15:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:DrysonBennington wrote: Once CONCORD arrives and destroys your ship the aggression countdown begins. Five minutes after CONCORD arrives attack either the Bumping ship or the target with the second alt to draw a fresh group of CONCORD to the scene.
Continue to employ this tactic for as long as the targeted ship remains on auto-pilot. If CODE decides to arrive and do any ganking then CONCORD will already be on the scene and CODE will not be able to gank their prize.
I just can't help myself!! On a side note, I seem to recall CCP saying that baiting CONCORD like you advocate above is against the EULA... can't recall the exact post, but it was in response to ganks during the heyday of Hulkageddon. Wait really? So baiting Concorde into an ice belt is against the EULA? Huh, if so I might have to report a number of ice miners in my area. Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. SolidX > i'm an alt IRL Guilty conscience? Buy a mining permit today. www.minerbumping.com |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
261
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:20:00 -
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Regnag Leppod wrote:Has it been proven possible to prevent a gank by CODE. in the first place (specifically the gate ganks like Aufay)? Or is this more about getting in on killmails the easy way? I have seen a coordinated CODE. gank on a jump freighter fail (initially) on a gate in Aufay in the presence of about a dozen or so "White Knights". The defenders seemed to be equal parts ECM, DPS, and logi. While the initial gank failed (JF at ~half structure), the bumpers kept the JF out of alignment and on the second attempt 15-ish minutes later, it did go down in spite of the friendly support. (I was there bounty hunting in a rail Catalyst and cavorting with CODE. on voice comms.)
From my understanding of game mechanics, the best defense against a suicide gank in progress of a sufficiently large target (Freighter, Orca, etc.) isn't DPS or EWar, it's remote reps. It counteracts the damage being applied immediately, it benefits from the target's resists instead of being penalized by them, and can be applied sooner because not only are their targets much larger (and easier to lock), friendly logis can hav their target locked and remote reps running before the gankers even land on-grid. This assumes that the gankers even bother in the face of strong logistic support.
Of course, if the ganker is alpha-striking smaller targets, well then, their targets are pretty well hosed. Much love for Arty Thrashers.
Anyone even remotely familiar with the current RR meta has likely figured this out on their own. A handful of AB-fit T1 logi cruisers orbiting their target at near max range and high speed would make it considerably harder to kill while remaining relatively safe themselves (high speed, not grouped together, etc.). I'm amazed that so-called "White Knights" use anything but Logis. For all of their talk, they're just whoring on killmails or collecting bounties. They're not really "White Knights" at all, they're just people who want to shoot at people who can't shoot back in order to profit from it.
Sound familiar?
This is all overlooking the fact that be best overall defense against a suicide gank is not being a target in the first place. Don't autopilot, don't overload your ship, don't be AFK, etc.
I know that this runs contrary to my earlier posts about needing to become the gankers in order to beat them. What can I say, I withheld my realization in the interest of content creation. I'm certainly not the first, nor will I be the last. Sue me.
In order to beat the gankers you just need to stop giving a rat's arse about killmails....
Apologies in advance if I'm offending any of my minerbumpering buds by posting this. This stuff is all just common knowledge applied to the situation at hand, so I am stunned that nobody has posted it sooner. Hopefully, if nothing else, it gives you folks some more interesting ganks.... Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
I want to create content, not become content. |
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