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Wolfcan
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.11.17 21:52:00 -
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I've been thinking about this for a while now. With all the incredible amount of improvements to the game coming up (In such a short period of time). Can/will CCP keep up this level of iteration after Crucible is released? CCP has only scratched the surface of what needs to be done. I agree they have done an incredible job in such a short period of time. AWESOME work guys. But this tempo of DevBlogs and iterations will definately create an expecation within the community for this level of focus into the future.
So my question to the Devs is:
Whats the plans for Post Crucible?
Will we see more iteration or are you guys thinking on focusing on a new Expansion to coincide with DUST514?
Will we see this level of Devblogs going forward or will everything start slowing down whle you guys "hopefully" focus on an incredible expansion for next year?
Will "management" think, "Right, we've thrown them a bone that'll shut them up for a year?"
Loving the tempo guys, loving the Devblogs and loving seeing the Devs so excited and engaged in what they are doing at CCP. Keep up the awesome work!!! |
T' Elk
Happy Little Spaceships
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Posted - 2011.11.17 21:53:00 -
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Hopefully yes, the realistic probability is no.
God wears-áRay Ban Aviators. |
Vachir Khan
TriSeq Defence Group
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Posted - 2011.11.17 22:00:00 -
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No, it's very unrealistic to expect such a thing. The current avalanche of blogs, improvements and updates comes from the :18 months: thing where a lot of stuff had been worked on (to varying degrees) but not utilised because of other commitments. That and the obvious fact that CCP is in "make up sex" mode atm (a horrifying thought) means it won't last. Nor should it.
I'm more than happy to see slow(er) progress if that means that the most important issues get tackled first in a proper manner. You can't have quality AND quantity, so I'd very much opt for quality as choosing quantity is nothing more than "GIEF COOKIE!". Also I do hope CCP learned that doing things right is more important than being :awesome:.
Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.11.17 22:06:00 -
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I think it's likely that they'll be taking a bit of a rest after Crucible launches.
What we've seen for this Winter is a truckload of individually minor (in the sense of dev resources to implement - quite a few of of them will have quite significant gameplay implications) new features and fixes, which is basically what we've been asking them to do for ages. The long awaited "Fix patch".
The dozens of minor gameplay improvements, combined with the fantastic work done by Team Gridlock, will give CCP a great foundation to build on if they want to go ahead and produce another Apocrypha style Expansion this summer. Nothing would make me happier than to see CCP settle into a regular habit of alternating gameplay expansions with iteration expansions. I can't think of a better way for them to get EVE back on track and start producing that ~10% yearly growth again.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Kymatica
EXTERMINATUS.
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.11.17 22:43:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Nothing would make me happier than to see CCP settle into a regular habit of alternating gameplay expansions with iteration expansions. I can't think of a better way for them to get EVE back on track and start producing that ~10% yearly growth again.
Would be nice to see them do it like this.
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IGNATIUS HOOD
Zephyr Corp
V.A.S.T.
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Posted - 2011.11.17 22:55:00 -
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CCP is no different then any other Corporation.... When they find what works they'll beat it to death if it leads to positive results...
Results = Moar SUBS
Pleasing the elders in this game is important right now becuase it was a very real possibility that if they didn't change course in a hurry it was all going to come to a screaming halt... That being said I think CCP will adjust thier course to try to keep the Elders happy while trying to find ways to expand the base... They will search for more positive results...
Results = Moar SUBS
So the phrenetic 'fix the broken stuff and give them new ships!' pace will slow down and ideally be more thought provoking and measured while the WiS and more mainstream facing concepts will continue to be invested in albiet more quietly. When we see a big WiS enhancement next it will be forceful, deliberate and polished...
Well assuming the CCP folks are paying attention... I for one think they are.
'perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim'
Be patient and tough; some day this pain will be useful to you. |
Handsome Hussein
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Posted - 2011.11.17 22:57:00 -
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Kymatica wrote:Malcanis wrote:Nothing would make me happier than to see CCP settle into a regular habit of alternating gameplay expansions with iteration expansions. I can't think of a better way for them to get EVE back on track and start producing that ~10% yearly growth again. Would be nice to see them do it like this.
Not empty quoting.
Leaves only the fresh scent of pine. |
Takseen
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:00:00 -
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I hope not. Poor CCP Greyscale looks like he hasn't had a good sleep in months. |
Minister of Death
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.18 00:01:00 -
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As an official Minister at the Amarr Ministry of War, I can say the Ministry of War hopes CCP's renewed vigor related to Eve gameplay development continues. |
Just Lilly
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2011.11.18 00:11:00 -
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If we get flooded with changes to the game, there will be no time to reflect back or time to enjoy them
before something else comes along.
I think it's best to let us have a moment and feel the changes before drowning us in new ones.  |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2011.11.18 00:18:00 -
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Most of this expansion is taken up with Little Things.
The next expansions they'll have to tackle the Bigger Things which will take more time and effort.
Today I lost my common sense,
It slipped away between Amamake and Rens,
I think it happened in highsec,
Using a Brutix to gank a Providence.
-- Flunk |
Minister of Death
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2011.11.18 00:21:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Most of this expansion is taken up with Little Things.
The next expansions they'll have to tackle the Bigger Things which will take more time and effort.
i love your name, your sig, and your portrait. |
Marcus Wilde
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.11.18 09:43:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: Nothing would make me happier than to see CCP settle into a regular habit of alternating gameplay expansions with iteration expansions. I can't think of a better way for them to get EVE back on track and start producing that ~10% yearly growth again.
My thoughts exactly.
Tears + Bucket = Win-¦ |
ACE McFACE
Acetech Systems
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Posted - 2011.11.18 10:10:00 -
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I reckon they could, not sure if they will. Hopefully though they will, im not a bittervet yet!
Real men wear goggles and a Navy shirt! |
Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
159
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:01:00 -
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Are you kidding me ?
They've been working on this stuff for long enough already anyway ! lol
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CCP Navigator
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:12:00 -
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Really nice post, Wolfcan. I will attempt to address as many points as I can.
So the main question seems to be, 'Is this a flash in the pan from CCP or is this something which will continue?'. From a Community Team point of view we will be maintaining a strong presence on the forums and bringing you news and answering your questions as often as we possibly can. We understand how important Dev Blogs, video blogs and replies to important questions are to you so we will maintain that. Dev Blogs will slow up a little after the release but will pick up again in January. The reason for this is that many Devs go home (if not Icelandic natives) or go on vacations as the holidays approach. The management at CCP are also very focused on EVE Online and making sure we provide quality flying in space content.
The plan post Crucible is for us to work on as much stuff as possible which did not make it in for this release. We would love to get things like Assault Frigates ready for that release but this will depend on manpower.
The next expansion has not been decided yet, as far as I know, and will be decided when we do release planning. I can tell you that CCP Soundwave is currently looking for your little things so that his teams can start to fix all the stuff you guys request.
Once release planning takes place we will probably be in a much better position to let you all know what is coming in the next big expansion 
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DarkAegix
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:19:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:Once release planning takes place we will probably be in a much better position to let you all know what is coming in the next big expansion
Walking..... IN SPACE! |
StukaBee
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:36:00 -
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This expansion seems to have been somewhat hurried, and I mean that in the nicest possible way since a quick change of priorities was badly needed. It looks, at least from the outside, that the decision to go all-in on a 'Thousand Little Things' expansion to placate the disenchanted existing playerbase and some excellent graphical improvements to draw in new interest was made fairly late in the development cycle, in the wake of the Jita riots, revelations about declining subscription and PCU numbers, and Hilmar's grand apology. Of course, some of those improvements may have appeared anyway, but I doubt the intention was to devote quite so much development time to relatively small tweaks.
The original intention of this winter's expansion (Soundwave made comments about a 0.0 revamp during the Alliance Tournament coverage - Dominion 2.0?) has presumably been pushed back into the summer. That, unlike Crucible, will have a full development cycle devoted to it so we'll have a chance to see how CCP's commitment to Eve holds up and what comes out as a result. But, for Summer don't expect another Thousand Little Things, but maybe more like a Hundred Little Things, and 1 or 2 Really Big Things. |
Wolfcan
EVE University
Ivy League
13
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:50:00 -
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Awesome. Thanks for the reply Navigator. The anticipation is really exciting. "What will they tell us next?". Looking forward to what comes next. |
Charles Javeroux
INTERSTELLAR CREDIT
Interstellar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:55:00 -
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Due to the pre-planned launch of Dust514, in next Summer 2012, we can be fairly sure the next year first expansion will more or less revolve around nullsec sov, PI and all the little pink ponies... |
Wolfcan
EVE University
Ivy League
13
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:57:00 -
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StukaBee wrote: But, for Summer I don't expect another Thousand Little Things, but maybe more like a Hundred Little Things, and 1 or 2 Really Big Things.
Agree StukaBee. But what I want is Expansions every 6-12 months, I'd probably want an expansion every 12 months. Has a greater impact. BUT I do want a dedicated team full time working on small improvements. Consistently tweaking and changing the little things. If you don't have a dedicated team for that you get this massive backlog of crap that eventually breaks the game. |
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
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Posted - 2011.11.18 12:00:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:Once release planning takes place we will probably be in a much better position to let you all know what is coming in the next big expansion
Dust is coming out next summer (presumably) and the eve<->dust link is nowhere to be seen. Before the Dust launch that link MUST be there so it doesn't take much of a crystal ball gazer to figure out what will occupy the time of two or three programming teams.
Edit: Bah humbug, beat by Mr. Javerouxt
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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.11.18 12:01:00 -
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It truly does deserve a big thank you, all the "little things' count.
One of the"big things" I and many others would like to see some comment on is the broken war declaration mechanics. Just a hint if you guys have discussed something about it, CCP Navigator ?
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
289
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Posted - 2011.11.18 12:15:00 -
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Since some of the most lauded new elements where done by CCP employees who had three weeks off in their WoD scheduling (Team papercuts) I think they can and indeed will keep up with these small changes, tweaks, buffing/nerfing and artistic updates.
However the big question is what will they try doing for the next "real" expansion. Will they go back to 0.0, fix FW and nullsec, try to do that in one big move. Add new content/space/abilities/jobs/ships? I personally hope they will revamp the POS into a more modular one, make progress on the FW, and 0.0 changes and perhaps implement freeholds of some sort (I like the idea).
Together with a whole bunch of newly harvested suggestions that CCP FALLOUT has been gathering.
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CCP Manifest
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.18 12:41:00 -
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Ciar Meara wrote:
Together with a whole bunch of newly harvested suggestions that CCP FALLOUT has been gathering.
I THINK you may be confusing her with Soundwave, who has been collecting suggestions (I've been helping via Twitter and Facebook).
Fallout probably has a bajillion good suggestions though from her hears of being awesome for the EVE community. She will be missed.
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CCP Manifest | Public Relations and Social Media | @ccp_manifest |
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rodyas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2011.11.18 12:46:00 -
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CCP has stated their developement goals are to have a two expansions a year really. Shows what the tempo will be kind of like. I think what your talking about is, a favorite expansion. You are acting like this is your favorite expansion and wondering when the next favorite expansion or so will come. Who knows when the next favorite one comes. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
289
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Posted - 2011.11.18 13:22:00 -
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CCP Manifest wrote:Ciar Meara wrote:
Together with a whole bunch of newly harvested suggestions that CCP FALLOUT has been gathering.
I THINK you may be confusing her with Soundwave, who has been collecting suggestions (I've been helping via Twitter and Facebook). Fallout probably has a bajillion good suggestions though from her hears of being awesome for the EVE community. She will be missed.
I stand corrected, I indeed meant Soundwave (don't ask me why I used all caps) perhaps need someone to proofread my posts.
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[yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Wolfcan
EVE University
Ivy League
15
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Posted - 2011.11.18 13:26:00 -
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rodyas wrote:CCP has stated their developement goals are to have a two expansions a year really. Shows what the tempo will be kind of like. I think what your talking about is, a favorite expansion. You are acting like this is your favorite expansion and wondering when the next favorite expansion or so will come. Who knows when the next favorite one comes.
What the hell are you talking about dude? |
Gerald Taric
F-H Schwerindustrie und Sicherheit
KRAUTZ-FEDERATION
14
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Posted - 2011.11.18 13:38:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:CCP Navigator wrote:Once release planning takes place we will probably be in a much better position to let you all know what is coming in the next big expansion Walking..... IN SPACE!
.. is already ingame ... called "corpse of ..."
*scnr* |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2011.11.18 14:38:00 -
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I see a lot of speed-completed Rubix cubes in the future of that guy in one of the dev blog videos. They might even hook him up to a blade server and Eve drones will really become sentient. |
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