Don't fit three upgrades then?

Am I misunderstanding you?

Yes you misunderstand me. The skiff is able to fit for full yield and yet still achieve a full fit tech 2 active tank. The other exhumers can't even come close to this.

Even if you only fit two mining/harvester upgrades on a Hulk or Mackinkaw, you still have hardly any spare cpu/grid to fit a proper tank, you can't even use all the mid slots due to lack of CPU. At best you can fit an invuln field and 2 passive hardeners (named, don't have enough cpu for T1 or T2).

Yes you misunderstand me. The skiff is able to fit for full yield and yet still achieve a full fit tech 2 active tank. The other exhumers can't even come close to this.

Even if you only fit two mining/harvester upgrades on a Hulk or Mackinkaw, you still have hardly any spare cpu/grid to fit a proper tank, you can't even use all the mid slots due to lack of CPU. At best you can fit an invuln field and 2 passive hardeners (named, don't have enough cpu for T1 or T2).

Here's a number: 706

This is the meters my Skiff can go per second. You may call this imbalanced, I just call it awesome.

I think you are kinda missing the point. In the tank, yield, cargo balance, the Skiff is suppose to the be one with the most tank at the expense of (slightly) lesser yield and a smaller cargo hold. The way it is the tankiest is by having the extra grid and slots to fit the tank modules. The Mackinaw and the Hulk excel at their own attributes but at the expense of tank, which is enforced in part by the inability to fit as many tanking modules.

If you gave the other two the ability to fit the same tank as a Skiff, what would be the point of the Skiff?

That's quite fast for a miner.... ???

Why?? :D

In practice we underestimated the value that players would put in the isk/effort advantage of the Retriever and the Mackinaw, leading to a less diverse mining landscape than we would have liked.

We'll be keeping the basic role breakdown that the 2012 balance created, but adjusting the bonuses quite significantly within that framework:

The Procurer and Skiff remain the tankiest of the barges, and the Skiff gains an extra low slot (bringing its fitted yield up to the same level as the Mackinaw) as well as a new bonus to drone damage and hitpoints. Asking a dedicated PVP ship to defend a mining fleet can often lead to mind numbing boredom for the PVP pilot, so we're providing the option for players to make sacrifices in their mining ships to allow self-defense.

The Retriever and Mackinaw keep the solo and low-attention mining crown thanks to their untouched massive ore bays. They'll be getting a slight decrease to their yield to help moderate their strength, as the previous round of balancing underestimated how much players value ore hold size.

The Covetor and Hulk remain the kings of yield, at the expense of tank and ore hold capacity. Their abilities in large scale group mining will be further improved through the addition of a 5% per level bonus to mining laser and ice harvester optimal range, as well as an increase in yield.

Your post is missing the yield numbers. Please supply those to give your argument substance. Thanks.

You can still gank them, you just have to spend 10 times what there worth to do it.

Did you really expect CCP to let a large part of the player base to take it in the B-hole forever vs gankers before they gave them a tanky decent boat ?

Thats the trade off to tank is yield or cargo hold. The skiff was fine before and it is fine still now.

I like to fly the skiff because I get passed over in the ice belts for the idiots that fit zero tank and max yield. Sure I may have to dock up and unload and warp back but thatGÇÖs the trade off.

I sacrifice less yield for the privilege of getting passed over by the gankers.

I have proposed that skiffs CPU is reduced so that a max yield skiff would have around 50 cpu spare for fitting mid slot modules. This change doesn't mean that skiffs will suddenly become ganked all the time. Providing the skiff user has good skills and has chosen his tank wisely, even if he is max yield fitted, I doubt he'll ever actually get ganked. You have nothing to worry about.

It's only the careless, stupid who will lose their ships, and I doubt even that will happen very often. Skiff will still be the strongest barge by far.

Still don't know why the OP wants to nerf the single best bearing ship in the game

But anyway

Anyone got a max DPS or Speed fit for either the Skiff or the Proc?

The Skiff is intended for those that are neither careless, nor stupid. The Skiff has a single high slot, allowing it to fit only one mining module(plus mining drones if you wish), while having the second largest ore hold of the Exhumers. This gives it the ability to be in space for an extended period of time, mining at a reduced rate as compared to the other Exhumers, while being difficult to take down given its massive EHP as compared to the other Exhumers. It is also able to fit mid slot modules intended to increase the its EHP even further, allowing it to stand up to more damage and either escape or hold out for reinforcements.

As for your whining that you'll never be able to kill one, I assure you that you can kill them if you actually wanted to. What is stopping you from webbing and scraming the ship and then just eating through its EHP? You have all the time in the world to apply your damage if you keep it pointed.

The single mining slot for the skiff is an advantage, not a disadvantage. Due to how bonuses are applied it's the equivalent of the mackinkaw's 2 mining slots and not far from the hulks 3 high slots.

The single mining slot for the skiff is an advantage, not a disadvantage. Due to how bonuses are applied it's the equivalent of the mackinkaw's 2 mining slots and not far from the hulks 3 high slots.