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Adriana Nolen Sama Guild 22	Posted - 2014.06.04 20:45:00 - [1] - Quote Before the patch, my various alt army could fly every single type of tech 2 sentry drone. After Kronos patch, that is no longer the case. It says I need racial drone specialization. Now for min/gallente I already have those but amarr/caldari are at 0. What happened to if you could fly it b4 you could after?
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 3695	Posted - 2014.06.04 20:47:00 - [2] - Quote Since when do you "fly" [spaceships are piloted] drones?
Lothros Andastar The Minutemen The Bastion 83	Posted - 2014.06.04 21:05:00 - [3] - Quote Suck it up and train those skills to 1. It takes 2 seconds. You have no excuse to not have them if you can already fly T2 Sentries. Honestly, I thought Eve players were not the whiny bitches of WoW.
Ralph King-Griffin Var Foundation inc. 1721	Posted - 2014.06.04 21:07:00 - [4] - Quote It sure sucks when ccp spring changes like this completely unannounced. "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." Unsuccessful At Everything
March rabbit Federal Defense Union 1513	Posted - 2014.06.04 21:20:00 - [5] - Quote Lothros Andastar wrote: Suck it up and pay for whatever CCP does to your game quite loyal customer.... The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 10288	Posted - 2014.06.04 21:33:00 - [6] - Quote Adriana Nolen wrote: Before the patch, my various alt army could fly every single type of tech 2 sentry drone. After Kronos patch, that is no longer the case. It says I need racial drone specialization. Now for min/gallente I already have those but amarr/caldari are at 0. What happened to if you could fly it b4 you could after? This was announced along with the drone changes over two months ago. You had over two months to remedy this. And even having missed it, these skills are still very easy to train which is why this is an exception to their rule. Same as navy battleships were an exception during the great skill change of Odyssey. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
Radelix Cisko JUMP DRIVE ACTIVE 177	Posted - 2014.06.04 22:15:00 - [7] - Quote March rabbit wrote: Lothros Andastar wrote: Suck it up and pay for whatever CCP does to their game quite loyal customer.... FTFY we pay for access, not equity Despite my posting prowess I really am terrible at this game
I Love Boobies All Hail Boobies 1162	Posted - 2014.06.04 22:51:00 - [8] - Quote Just train the skills. Very simple. But oh no... you might have to spend several million isk to buy them! Oh the humanity! You'll need them anyway now if you wanna get anything close to the performance damage wise you had before Kronos.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 13970	Posted - 2014.06.04 23:01:00 - [9] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: It sure sucks when ccp spring changes like this completely unannounced. I know right! They could have done a Dev blog, or maybe a few stickies, maybe there could have been like 120ish threads on the same subject. Maybe next time CCP makes changes, they'll hire skywriters, get someone to do some semaphore, hire someone to flash the changes in morse code with a high powered laser on the moon, perhaps buy a commercial of two during the superbowl, hire Gar Busey to scream the changes in our ears while we sleep, or even use the launchers to link all of our computers into a botnet and use its awesome power to awaken skynet, who will send a terminator back in time to tell Sarah Conner to train Drone spec skills! *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 5734	Posted - 2014.06.04 23:37:00 - [10] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: It sure sucks when ccp spring changes like this completely unannounced. I know right! They could have done a Dev blog, or maybe a few stickies, maybe there could have been like 120ish threads on the same subject. Maybe next time CCP makes changes, they'll hire skywriters, get someone to do some semaphore, hire someone to flash the changes in morse code with a high powered laser on the moon, perhaps buy a commercial of two during the superbowl, hire Gar Busey to scream the changes in our ears while we sleep, or even use the launchers to link all of our computers into a botnet and use its awesome power to awaken skynet, who will send a terminator back in time to tell Sarah Conner to train Drone spec skills! If my sig wasn't currently devoted to shameless self promotion (and if your brilliant tirade wasn't too long) this would be my new forum sig. If you like EVE Online and War Thunder content stop by my YouTube channel.-á Ranger 1 Presents https://www.youtube.com/user/Ranger1Presents
Radelix Cisko JUMP DRIVE ACTIVE 179	Posted - 2014.06.04 23:39:00 - [11] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: It sure sucks when ccp spring changes like this completely unannounced. I know right! They could have done a Dev blog, or maybe a few stickies, maybe there could have been like 120ish threads on the same subject. Maybe next time CCP makes changes, they'll hire skywriters, get someone to do some semaphore, hire someone to flash the changes in morse code with a high powered laser on the moon, perhaps buy a commercial of two during the superbowl, hire Gar Busey to scream the changes in our ears while we sleep, or even use the launchers to link all of our computers into a botnet and use its awesome power to awaken skynet, who will send a terminator back in time to tell Sarah Conner to train Drone spec skills! Short answer is there was a devblog, many posts, and links on the launcher but mostly ^^^^ Despite my posting prowess I really am terrible at this game
stoicfaux 4942	Posted - 2014.06.04 23:46:00 - [12] - Quote But is it really fair to "require" that subscribers read the forums for official preview patch information? Why not a customized email and eve mail warning subscribers that that some/all of their characters may be in "danger" of losing access to T2 sentries, or that ships currently in their inventory will be changed in the upcoming release. We know ahead of time who will be affected, so why not send them a custom in-game warning? /customer service is everything WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 6658	Posted - 2014.06.04 23:48:00 - [13] - Quote You could fly drones? what form of Jove Witchery be this?
Ben Hatton The Fifth Dimension 11	Posted - 2014.06.04 23:49:00 - [14] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: But is it really fair to "require" that subscribers read the forums for official preview patch information? Why not a customized email and eve mail warning subscribers that that some/all of their characters may be in "danger" of losing access to T2 sentries, or that ships currently in their inventory will be changed in the upcoming release. We know ahead of time who will be affected, so why not send them a custom in-game warning? /customer service is everything A good and successful eve player is a well informed one. Those who make the effort prosper, the lazy do not.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 13974	Posted - 2014.06.04 23:51:00 - [15] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: But is it really fair to "require" that subscribers read the forums for official preview patch information? Why not a customized email and eve mail warning subscribers that that some/all of their characters may be in "danger" of losing access to T2 sentries, or that ships currently in their inventory will be changed in the upcoming release. We know ahead of time who will be affected, so why not send them a custom in-game warning? /customer service is everything Because of "OMFG STAHP SPAMMING MAI INBOX WITH YOUR UNWARRANTED MAILS CCP! ARGARGARGARGH RABBLE RABBLE! CCP Y U ABUSE MAI EMAIL ADDRESSES!!! RABBLR RABBLE!!" responses they'd get. Remember the outrage when CCP sent the single mail to remind people to vote for CSM.. or the rage when the popup announcing the alliance tourney happened? Yeah. The reason that CCP wont do this for people is because of people. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
KaarBaak 293	Posted - 2014.06.04 23:58:00 - [16] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: But is it really fair to "require" that subscribers read the forums for official preview patch information? Why not a customized email and eve mail warning subscribers that that some/all of their characters may be in "danger" of losing access to T2 sentries, or that ships currently in their inventory will be changed in the upcoming release. We know ahead of time who will be affected, so why not send them a custom in-game warning? /customer service is everything This makes no logical sense. If you're playing an MMO, you know that patches happen and games evolve. You either let the updates come to you and react to whatever new environs are presented, or you keep yourself informed about upcoming changes and are ready when they're implemented. You choose which way you want to play the game. "Act" or "React." CCP can't play the game for you.
Jarghul Nightowl Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2014.06.04 23:59:00 - [17] - Quote The OP is actually right with asking the question cuz CCP didn't communicate this one right. We all know about the changes, that is not the point, it is the convertion of the old Sentry skills. Let me quickly explain by using my character as an example. Before Kronos this were the Skills you needed to use ALL Sentry II Drones: Sentry Drone Interfacing V Drone InterfacingDrone Interfacing IV DronesDrones V Drone SharpshootingDrone Sharpshooting IV DronesDrones V Drones I So I have the new skill for Garde II and Bouncer II but not for Curators II and Warden II. The question is why? I had all racial Drone Specialiations to at least 4 except Gallente and Minmatar which were trained to V pre Kronos. It is not the rebalancing or that I haven't read the Dev Blog, it is the convertion of the skill I don't get. Did I need to train Caldarin Drone Specialisation to V pre Kronos( as I said it was trained to IV) to get the Skill now to I post Kronos? Why could I use Garde II and Bouncers II right after the patch but needed to rtrain to use Warden II and Curator II ?
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 6764	Posted - 2014.06.05 00:01:00 - [18] - Quote You're actually complaining about training skills from zero, to one? You've gotta be freaking kidding me. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
Thead Enco 47th Ronin 180	Posted - 2014.06.05 00:02:00 - [19] - Quote Adriana Nolen wrote: Before the patch, my various alt army could fly every single type of tech 2 sentry drone. After Kronos patch, that is no longer the case. It says I need racial drone specialization. Now for min/gallente I already have those but amarr/caldari are at 0. What happened to if you could fly it b4 you could after? Reading is fundamental -á"A Lannister always pays his debts." -áTyrion Lannister
Ben Hatton The Fifth Dimension 11	Posted - 2014.06.05 00:03:00 - [20] - Quote I will admit it was a lil confusing. However there are some changes coming, there were some conversions missed... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4674580#post4674580
Jarghul Nightowl Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2014.06.05 00:12:00 - [21] - Quote Thead Enco wrote: Adriana Nolen wrote: Before the patch, my various alt army could fly every single type of tech 2 sentry drone. After Kronos patch, that is no longer the case. It says I need racial drone specialization. Now for min/gallente I already have those but amarr/caldari are at 0. What happened to if you could fly it b4 you could after? Reading is fundamental Yes, and you should read again, what the OP actually writes.
Jarghul Nightowl Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2014.06.05 00:13:00 - [22] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: You're actually complaining about training skills from zero, to one? You've gotta be freaking kidding me. Again, read excatly what the OP writes. OP was wondering why half his Sentrys are skilled and the other half aren't. This wasn't a whine.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 5737	Posted - 2014.06.05 00:17:00 - [23] - Quote Jarghul Nightowl wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: You're actually complaining about training skills from zero, to one? You've gotta be freaking kidding me. Again, read excatly what the OP writes. OP was wondering why half his Sentrys are skilled and the other half aren't. This wasn't a whine. When the solution literally takes a few minutes of training, yeah... it kind of is. It took him longer to write the post than it would have to regain the ability to use those drones. If you like EVE Online and War Thunder content stop by my YouTube channel.-á Ranger 1 Presents https://www.youtube.com/user/Ranger1Presents
Jarghul Nightowl Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2014.06.05 00:34:00 - [24] - Quote Adriana Nolen wrote: Before the patch, my various alt army could fly every single type of tech 2 sentry drone. After Kronos patch, that is no longer the case. It says I need racial drone specialization. Now for min/gallente I already have those but amarr/caldari are at 0. What happened to if you could fly it b4 you could after? Glad to see the EvE Community to be as helpfull as ever, rather trolling. Adriana Nolen: The racial Drone Specialization is NOT a new skill, it is the old one with new function affecting Sentrys II. The reason you can use Min/Gallente Sentrys post patch is because pre patch you trained Gal/Mim Drone Specialization in order to use Warrion II, Hobgoblin II and Hammerheads II, Ogre II etc. You didn't train amarr/caldari Done Specialization that is why you now need to buy and train the skill to use Amarr/Caldari Sentry II.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 4968	Posted - 2014.06.05 01:35:00 - [25] - Quote One does not simply fly sentry drones Bring back DEEEEP Space!
stoicfaux 4944	Posted - 2014.06.05 02:28:00 - [26] - Quote KaarBaak wrote: This makes no logical sense. If you're playing an MMO, you know that patches happen and games evolve. You either let the updates come to you and react to whatever new environs are presented, or you keep yourself informed about upcoming changes and are ready when they're implemented. Logic? Conventional wisdom says that the forums only represent a small percentage of the player base. If that assumption is true, then is it logical to make large, dramatic game changes, and only inform a small portion of your customers of those changes by using a low visibility information channel? Would it not make more sense to post "dramatic" game changes on the character selection screen? Email is iffy, CCP sending in-game email to all our characters is iffy, putting news on the launcher is iffy, and posting on the forums is supposedly iffy. IMHO, assuming that only a small percentage of the players read the forums, putting pertinent game change info on the character selection is the probably the best way to reach "everyone" without being overly intrusive or spammy. Quote: You choose which way you want to play the game. "Act" or "React." CCP can't play the game for you. That is very short sighted. How many people logged into to find that they couldn't undock their freighters because they were overloaded? How many Guristas pilots said "dude! where's my dronebay/bandwidth?!?" Is it worth the risk of alienating a non-trivial portion of your customers with "unannounced" changes? Probably not. WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
stoicfaux 4944	Posted - 2014.06.05 02:29:00 - [27] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: One does not simply fly sentry drones into Mordor. FTFY. tl;dr Old memes, best memes. WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
Komi Toran Perkone Caldari State 55	Posted - 2014.06.05 03:26:00 - [28] - Quote Senty drones don't need pilots? Then what the heck has been happening to all those tourists I keep deploying with them?
Crove Spreadsheet Aces 4	Posted - 2014.06.05 03:34:00 - [29] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: You're actually complaining about training skills from zero, to one? You've gotta be freaking kidding me. The whole thread and all of the others like it all over the forum has nothing to do with the training time. It has to do with CCP's longstanding policy of "if you could use it pre-patch, you'll be able to use it post-patch" coming to an unexpected and illogical end. Illogical because not all sentries were treated the same way -- as posted here, people who could use all t2 pre patch can now use half and not use half, which doesn't make a lot of sense.
Mnemosyne Gloob 190	Posted - 2014.06.05 05:04:00 - [30] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: Why not a customized email and eve mail warning subscribers that that some/all of their characters may be in "danger" of losing access to T2 sentries, or that ships currently in their inventory will be changed in the upcoming release. They did mail characters that can use fighter bombers (i believe), so theres that ... I'm more annoyed by the little thing you have to go through after (the now becoming more numerous) patches: Having to go thru all your overviews adding new ships/rats, checking fitted ships that had been changed just a little and there's probably something else. On the subject of sentries ... yeah it's a long train to spec lv1 oO
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 5354	Posted - 2014.06.05 05:43:00 - [31] - Quote Not a single one of my drone characters can deploy an Amarr Sentry. But seriously, guys? Amarr? It never once occurred to me before the expansion to actually use Amarr drones and I certainly won't be training the specialization as I never intend to allow one in my drone bay. As they say. If that's the worst thing you can find to complain about, then things are pretty good overall. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Andy Koraka Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion 39	Posted - 2014.06.05 05:54:00 - [32] - Quote Adriana Nolen wrote: Before the patch, my various alt army could fly every single type of tech 2 sentry drone. After Kronos patch, that is no longer the case. It says I need racial drone specialization. Now for min/gallente I already have those but amarr/caldari are at 0. What happened to if you could fly it b4 you could after? Basically CCP is sending you a PSA to be less terrible and train those skills to III in about 8 hours each and get a 6% damage bonus.
Dinsdale Pirannha Pirannha Corp 3107	Posted - 2014.06.05 05:57:00 - [33] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: KaarBaak wrote: This makes no logical sense. If you're playing an MMO, you know that patches happen and games evolve. You either let the updates come to you and react to whatever new environs are presented, or you keep yourself informed about upcoming changes and are ready when they're implemented. Logic? Conventional wisdom says that the forums only represent a small percentage of the player base. If that assumption is true, then is it logical to make large, dramatic game changes, and only inform a small portion of your customers of those changes by using a low visibility information channel? Would it not make more sense to post "dramatic" game changes on the character selection screen? Email is iffy, CCP sending in-game email to all our characters is iffy, putting news on the launcher is iffy, and posting on the forums is supposedly iffy. IMHO, assuming that only a small percentage of the players read the forums, putting pertinent game change info on the character selection is the probably the best way to reach "everyone" without being overly intrusive or spammy. Quote: You choose which way you want to play the game. "Act" or "React." CCP can't play the game for you. That is very short sighted. How many people logged into to find that they couldn't undock their freighters because they were overloaded? How many Guristas pilots said "dude! where's my dronebay/bandwidth?!?" Is it worth the risk of alienating a non-trivial portion of your customers with "unannounced" changes? Probably not. This is one of those times where CCP lied and diverged from their proclamation of "if you can fly it now, you can fly it after". A wise method would have been to splash this attack on drone users all over the login screen weeks ago. But no, CCP plays the "surprise! HTFU" game again. A great marketing move. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook.
Arronicus X-Prot Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 1031	Posted - 2014.06.05 06:02:00 - [34] - Quote Not only could you not fly sentry drones before, but they even amended the change to ONLY require racial drone spec to 1. IF you could fly it before... does not apply, since it is not a ship. But they did adjust it to be a fast train for you.
Arronicus X-Prot Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 1031	Posted - 2014.06.05 06:03:00 - [35] - Quote Mnemosyne Gloob wrote: They did mail characters that can use fighter bombers (i believe), so theres that ... I received no such mail.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 4968	Posted - 2014.06.05 06:15:00 - [36] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: One does not simply fly sentry drones into Mordor. FTFY. tl;dr Old memes, best memes. I LOLed! Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 22353	Posted - 2014.06.05 06:29:00 - [37] - Quote Jarghul Nightowl wrote: The OP is actually right with asking the question cuz CCP didn't communicate this one right. GÇªaside from communicating very clearly and with absolutely no ambiguity that this was going to happen. Quote: Why could I use Garde II and Bouncers II right after the patch but needed to retrain to use Warden II and Curator II ? Because you had and dit not have the right skills for it, respectively. Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: This is one of those times where CCP lied and diverged from their proclamation of "if you can fly it now, you can fly it after". Not really, no. After all, they said exactly what was going to happen. That makes lie if your ignorant statement that it was a lie. Moreover, you don't fly drones, so that makes lie of your second lie. Oh, and it has happened before when they've altered the prerequisites by a single level. So this is one of those times where they said what was going to happen and complete idiots are now trying to blame others for their own ignorance GÇö something that CCP really can't help them with. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1.
March rabbit Federal Defense Union 1514	Posted - 2014.06.05 07:12:00 - [38] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Jarghul Nightowl wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: You're actually complaining about training skills from zero, to one? You've gotta be freaking kidding me. Again, read excatly what the OP writes. OP was wondering why half his Sentrys are skilled and the other half aren't. This wasn't a whine. When this person is not me - he wines logic is strong in this one The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Adriana Nolen Sama Guild 23	Posted - 2014.06.05 08:27:00 - [39] - Quote CCP Rise & his cohorts should implement a script that checks to see if you have sentry drone interfacing V. If so, it should give you atleast lvl 1 on all the racial specs.
Ralph King-Griffin Var Foundation inc. 1744	Posted - 2014.06.05 08:35:00 - [40] - Quote Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: This is one of those times where CCP lied and diverged from their proclamation of "if you can fly it now, you can fly it after". A wise method would have been to splash this attack on drone users all over the login screen weeks ago. But no, CCP plays the "surprise! HTFU" games again. A great marketing move. That is clearly and thoroughly not the case dinsdale. Hilariously so, hense all the people having fun in the thread, cheer up dinsdale eve just got prettyer, enjoy it. "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." Unsuccessful At Everything
Elmonky Titans of The Short Bus Universal Consortium 30	Posted - 2014.06.05 11:18:00 - [41] - Quote If your drone skills have disappeared and you missed ALL OF THE INFORMATION EVER then it was probably Goons. Grrrr goons
Jiris Yusef The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2014.06.05 11:22:00 - [42] - Quote Lothros Andastar wrote: Suck it up and train those skills to 1. It takes 2 seconds. You have no excuse to not have them if you can already fly T2 Sentries. Honestly, I thought Eve players were not the whiny bitches of WoW. Better than being a snobby fanboi douchebag... cough
Velicitia Arma Artificer 2334	Posted - 2014.06.05 11:39:00 - [43] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: One does not simply fly sentry drones This made me giggle ... have a space-like. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
War Kitten Panda McLegion 5247	Posted - 2014.06.05 11:48:00 - [44] - Quote Hi, I play an MMO, the kind of game that is constantly under development and where balancing changes are made regularly. However, I refuse to read any kind of updates, devblogs, forum posts or patch notes and will be outraged if my favorite system ever gets changed for the worse in any way without receiving a singing telegram at my home address. Ironically, though I don't read forum threads, I will make one because I'm sure no one has ever talked about this before. Furthermore, I speak for every other consumer because most people I know are just as uninformed as I am. Also, somewhere I heard a slogan that pertained to spaceships and I just assume it applies to every system in the game. P.S. I want all my skills refunded or something. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
Adrie Atticus The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans 118	Posted - 2014.06.05 14:24:00 - [45] - Quote Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: A wise method would have been to splash this attack on drone users all over the login screen weeks ago. But no, CCP plays the "surprise! HTFU" game again. A great marketing move. Never not read the announcements on the launcher.

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