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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2014.06.06 05:39:00 -
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So it has become more and more difficult to have make Isk due to hostle blobs everywhere exept hi sec. On top of this galentee keeps getting nerfed. The only way ive found that it is possile to make isk is by carebear mining*gasp* but that is so far from being a sustainable income for one account.
Point is it is impossible to make isk without buying PLEX which is wrong because I already subscribe to the game. I shouldent have to pay for other parts of the game due the fact I already pay to play.
PvP- Blob or be blobed. PvP in this game has nothing to do with what you have or how good you are with it. It is all about who has more guns on field.
This sad fact makes CCP's balencing of the game USELESS. My 100 rookie ships will kill your tens of billions worth of blinged out Battleships anyday.
Point is this game is getting very stale. Skill doesnt matter. The only thing that matters is who can buy more PLEX than the other guy will win. I have never gotten into an even matched fight in 1 year playing this game. People will only fight you if its 4 of them against you. It simply isnt fun being blobbed or honestly blobbing people. Unfortunately that is the lame nature of this game. I cant stand being in fights that last 5 secconds.
Long story short I do not feel like my subscription fee's are fair for what I get. Now we have to pay for ship paint jobs too plus being allowed to use our charicter slots? We already subscribe. I just feel ripped off. CCP needs to worry less about balencing ships and actually making good fights in the game. Balenced ships are pointless if you cant get a balenced numbers fight. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10307
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Posted - 2014.06.06 05:42:00 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Point is it is impossible to make isk without buying PLEX lol no. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |

Dominus Tempus
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
126
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Posted - 2014.06.06 05:46:00 -
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Plex is high priced because Incursions are money printers and causing things to inflate.
There are other causes, of course. That's just one I felt like pointing out. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22363
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Posted - 2014.06.06 05:48:00 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Point is it is impossible to make isk without buying PLEX which is wrong Yes, the point is indeed wrong by virtue of it's inherently contradictory. If it was impossible to make ISK without buying PLEX, there would be no ISK to exchange for those PLEXes. The PLEX prices right now ar just a bubble anyway GÇö the same ISK bouncing back and forth between speculators.
Your other point is also wrong: wasting more money on PLEX doesn't mean you win. It only means you lose more real-life cash on a futile hope that you'll be able to compensate a lack of skill with more shinies. Fortunately, the game doesn't work that way. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5188
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Posted - 2014.06.06 05:51:00 -
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Mana Shian
Fault Line Industries Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2014.06.06 05:53:00 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:I have never gotten into an even matched fight in 1 year playing this game. At the risk of sounding clich+¬d, if you're getting into a fair fight, either you or your opponents have failed. EVE isn't fair. But fair has nothing to do with it. |

Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2014.06.06 05:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Point is it is impossible to make isk without buying PLEX which is wrong Yes, the point is indeed wrong by virtue of it's inherently contradictory. If it was impossible to make ISK without buying PLEX, there would be no ISK to exchange for those PLEXes. The PLEX prices right now ar just a bubble anyway GÇö the same ISK bouncing back and forth between speculators. Your other point is also wrong: wasting more money on PLEX doesn't mean you win. It only means you lose more real-life cash on a futile hope that you'll be able to compensate a lack of skill with more shinies. Fortunately, the game doesn't work that way. Probally megacorps/alliances doing that. Please explain why the PLEX value is skyrocketing to me. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22363
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Posted - 2014.06.06 05:55:00 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Please explain why the PLEX value is skyrocketing to me. I just did.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
1
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Posted - 2014.06.06 05:56:00 -
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Mana Shian wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:I have never gotten into an even matched fight in 1 year playing this game. At the risk of sounding clich+¬d, if you're getting into a fair fight, either you or your opponents have failed. EVE isn't fair. But fair has nothing to do with it. With that in mind I realize eve may not be the game for me but at the same time if they eliminated that it could be so much better... |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10307
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Posted - 2014.06.06 06:00:00 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Mana Shian wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:I have never gotten into an even matched fight in 1 year playing this game. At the risk of sounding clich+¬d, if you're getting into a fair fight, either you or your opponents have failed. EVE isn't fair. But fair has nothing to do with it. With that in mind I realize eve may not be the game for me but at the same time if they eliminated that it could be so much better... Well then I guess this is goodbye for you. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |

Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
1
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Posted - 2014.06.06 06:03:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Mana Shian wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:I have never gotten into an even matched fight in 1 year playing this game. At the risk of sounding clich+¬d, if you're getting into a fair fight, either you or your opponents have failed. EVE isn't fair. But fair has nothing to do with it. With that in mind I realize eve may not be the game for me but at the same time if they eliminated that it could be so much better... Well then I guess this is goodbye for you. Yes it is. |

Dominus Tempus
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
126
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Posted - 2014.06.06 06:07:00 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Mana Shian wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:I have never gotten into an even matched fight in 1 year playing this game. At the risk of sounding clich+¬d, if you're getting into a fair fight, either you or your opponents have failed. EVE isn't fair. But fair has nothing to do with it. With that in mind I realize eve may not be the game for me but at the same time if they eliminated that it could be so much better... Well then I guess this is goodbye for you. Yes it is. Can I have your stuff?
*hides* |

Mana Shian
Fault Line Industries Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
7
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Posted - 2014.06.06 06:09:00 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Mana Shian wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:I have never gotten into an even matched fight in 1 year playing this game. At the risk of sounding clich+¬d, if you're getting into a fair fight, either you or your opponents have failed. EVE isn't fair. But fair has nothing to do with it. With that in mind I realize eve may not be the game for me but at the same time if they eliminated that it could be so much better... There is no such thing as a fair sandbox. Everyone has the same tools. It's just up to the person to decide whether or not they use them. Equality of opportunity. Not equality of condition. |

Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
1
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Posted - 2014.06.06 06:09:00 -
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haha no you cant have my stuff... I may come back someday. |

Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2014.06.06 06:10:00 -
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Mana Shian wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Mana Shian wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:I have never gotten into an even matched fight in 1 year playing this game. At the risk of sounding clich+¬d, if you're getting into a fair fight, either you or your opponents have failed. EVE isn't fair. But fair has nothing to do with it. With that in mind I realize eve may not be the game for me but at the same time if they eliminated that it could be so much better... There is no such thing as a fair sandbox. Everyone has the same tools. It's just up to the person to decide whether or not they use them. Equality of opportunity. Not equality of condition. In those terms everybody has to have more tools than everyone else to be successful. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22363
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Posted - 2014.06.06 06:17:00 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:In those terms everybody has to have more tools than everyone else to be successful. No, they just have to be better at using them. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
1
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Posted - 2014.06.06 06:18:00 -
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It doesnt matter how good you are at using them if your out numbered and outgunned... |

Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2014.06.06 06:19:00 -
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You could beat 20 Intercepters in 1 Battleship no questions asked? |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22363
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Posted - 2014.06.06 06:21:00 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:It doesnt matter how good you are at using them if your out numbered and outgunned... That just means you're bad at using the tools at your disposal. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
1
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Posted - 2014.06.06 06:25:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:It doesnt matter how good you are at using them if your out numbered and outgunned... That just means you're bad at using the tools at your disposal. You gotta have people to put into the tools... |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22363
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Posted - 2014.06.06 06:27:00 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:You gotta have people to put into the tools... That's part of being good at using the tools at your disposal. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Dominus Tempus
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
126
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Posted - 2014.06.06 06:28:00 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Tippia wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:It doesnt matter how good you are at using them if your out numbered and outgunned... That just means you're bad at using the tools at your disposal. You gotta have people to put into the tools... Dude, every player starts off the same. Don't point fingers at anyone other than yourself. |

Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Advanced Amateurs
1301
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Posted - 2014.06.06 06:33:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Point is it is impossible to make isk without buying PLEX which is wrong Yes, the point is indeed wrong by virtue of it's inherently contradictory. If it was impossible to make ISK without buying PLEX, there would be no ISK to exchange for those PLEXes. The PLEX prices right now ar just a bubble anyway GÇö the same ISK bouncing back and forth between speculators. Your other point is also wrong: wasting more money on PLEX doesn't mean you win. It only means you lose more real-life cash on a futile hope that you'll be able to compensate a lack of skill with more shinies. Fortunately, the game doesn't work that way.
Unless you are aware of this lack of SP, and the overly hostile nature of your subject. Then it becomes a rightfull challenge to retrieve these subjects of their shinies. OP forgets this game allows you to mug the rich at every corner. PLEX and the idiots that buy shinies with it, only help to increase my wealth, it's in no way detrimental.
I agree with the lack of "fair fights" to make the game a tad stale at points. Nothing beats a narrow fight in terms of fun. But that's just a derivative of the sandbox, I don't mind it. |

Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
271
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Posted - 2014.06.06 06:34:00 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:So it has become more and more difficult to have make Isk due to hostle blobs everywhere exept hi sec. On top of this galentee keeps getting nerfed. The only way ive found that it is possile to make isk is by carebear mining*gasp* but that is so far from being a sustainable income for one account.
Point is it is impossible to make isk without buying PLEX which is wrong because I already subscribe to the game. I shouldent have to pay for other parts of the game due the fact I already pay to play.
PvP- Blob or be blobed. PvP in this game has nothing to do with what you have or how good you are with it. It is all about who has more guns on field.
This sad fact makes CCP's balencing of the game USELESS. My 100 rookie ships will kill your tens of billions worth of blinged out Battleships anyday.
Point is this game is getting very stale. Skill doesnt matter. The only thing that matters is who can buy more PLEX than the other guy will win. I have never gotten into an even matched fight in 1 year playing this game. People will only fight you if its 4 of them against you. It simply isnt fun being blobbed or honestly blobbing people. Unfortunately that is the lame nature of this game. I cant stand being in fights that last 5 secconds.
Long story short I do not feel like my subscription fee's are fair for what I get. Now we have to pay for ship paint jobs too plus being allowed to use our charicter slots? We already subscribe. I just feel ripped off. CCP needs to worry less about balencing ships and actually making good fights in the game. Balenced ships are pointless if you cant get a balenced numbers fight.
While I think CCP does much to identify retention issues for its newer players I don't see much work from them in identifying why veterans are leaving - although they mention an overall severe reduction in gross value per account in the 2013 CSM minutes. The conclusion drawn is that high-value veteran players are leaving (or biomassing) because they've hit their perceived end game and no longer find the game attractive.
May I address a couple of your concerns? Since you can't actually stop me I'm going to anyway.
1. Balancing in the manner you describe is to stop fail-players from buying their way to success. More detailed version is simple, 20 t1 destroyers with 200dps each is 4k dps vs your battleships measly 650-1000dps. Yet the costs are likely to be similar and the battleship probably has less ehp than the destroyer swarm. It's just wartime economics at work here and not intrinsically a balancing issue you can fix overnight by just adjusting a few ship stats, there's also the issue of your corporation members simply not having the SP for a powerful BS fit.
2. Gate camps have always existed since the beginning. This is a genuine problem but without an actual place to discuss it with strong moderation it will probably not get addressed, too many game mechanics hinge on arbitrary choke points like gates/acc.gates and stations.
3. Skill does matter, I now have a cerberus on SISI that has over 50 kills and an orthrus with about 14. Granted the orthrus has an assload of problems and practically cannot function against a competent enemy. This ship needs a couple of minor changes and it will be perfect (like first of all identifying what exactly it's supposed to be killing predominantly). I fly true solo, no alts, no OGB, no fleets. Just boosters and my TQ implant sets. I don't fly on SISI with anything I can't afford to use on TQ.
4. The game has been stale for a very long time, as I briefly touched on in the sticky about WW layoffs. Since I joined in 2009 the games most significant changes have been the rebalancing initiatives, politically however I can't tell the difference between now and then. March of Tyranny syndrome, no matter whose in charge its still ******.
5. Your subscription fee does not entitle you to ISK or any other benefit than SP. SP is what you pay a sub for, what you do with your time and the SP you have accumulated is your decision and if that's not working out the way you hoped then clearly you're doing something wrong (or working for the wrong people). LP store weapon cost rebalance |

Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
180
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Posted - 2014.06.06 06:39:00 -
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Disagree with your skill statement, as the ability to understand the function of the modules and the interactivity between different modules for given scenarios is the skill factor. But I think you were thinking that the skill is the navigating part...
As to the blob - always has been and always will be - join it or fight it.
As several people have stated - this game is a sandbox where the opportunity is equal to all. There are many ways to make ISK and buying PLEX is just one. It's how much ISK you want to make versus how much time you want to make it in, is the crunch.
My advice - enjoy the friends and make the ISK secondary importance I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking |

Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
1
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Posted - 2014.06.06 06:51:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:So it has become more and more difficult to have make Isk due to hostle blobs everywhere exept hi sec. On top of this galentee keeps getting nerfed. The only way ive found that it is possile to make isk is by carebear mining*gasp* but that is so far from being a sustainable income for one account.
Point is it is impossible to make isk without buying PLEX which is wrong because I already subscribe to the game. I shouldent have to pay for other parts of the game due the fact I already pay to play.
PvP- Blob or be blobed. PvP in this game has nothing to do with what you have or how good you are with it. It is all about who has more guns on field.
This sad fact makes CCP's balencing of the game USELESS. My 100 rookie ships will kill your tens of billions worth of blinged out Battleships anyday.
Point is this game is getting very stale. Skill doesnt matter. The only thing that matters is who can buy more PLEX than the other guy will win. I have never gotten into an even matched fight in 1 year playing this game. People will only fight you if its 4 of them against you. It simply isnt fun being blobbed or honestly blobbing people. Unfortunately that is the lame nature of this game. I cant stand being in fights that last 5 secconds.
Long story short I do not feel like my subscription fee's are fair for what I get. Now we have to pay for ship paint jobs too plus being allowed to use our charicter slots? We already subscribe. I just feel ripped off. CCP needs to worry less about balencing ships and actually making good fights in the game. Balenced ships are pointless if you cant get a balenced numbers fight. While I think CCP does much to identify retention issues for its newer players I don't see much work from them in identifying why veterans are leaving - although they mention an overall severe reduction in gross value per account in the 2013 CSM minutes. The conclusion drawn is that high-value veteran players are leaving (or biomassing) because they've hit their perceived end game and no longer find the game attractive. May I address a couple of your concerns? Since you can't actually stop me I'm going to anyway. 1. Balancing in the manner you describe is to stop fail-players from buying their way to success. More detailed version is simple, 20 t1 destroyers with 200dps each is 4k dps vs your battleships measly 650-1000dps. Yet the costs are likely to be similar and the battleship probably has less ehp than the destroyer swarm. It's just wartime economics at work here and not intrinsically a balancing issue you can fix overnight by just adjusting a few ship stats, there's also the issue of your corporation members simply not having the SP for a powerful BS fit. 2. Gate camps have always existed since the beginning. This is a genuine problem but without an actual place to discuss it with strong moderation it will probably not get addressed, too many game mechanics hinge on arbitrary choke points like gates/acc.gates and stations. 3. Skill does matter, I now have a cerberus on SISI that has over 50 kills and an orthrus with about 14. Granted the orthrus has an assload of problems and practically cannot function against a competent enemy. This ship needs a couple of minor changes and it will be perfect (like first of all identifying what exactly it's supposed to be killing predominantly). I fly true solo, no alts, no OGB, no fleets. Just boosters and my TQ implant sets. I don't fly on SISI with anything I can't afford to use on TQ. 4. The game has been stale for a very long time, as I briefly touched on in the sticky about WW layoffs. Since I joined in 2009 the games most significant changes have been the rebalancing initiatives, politically however I can't tell the difference between now and then. March of Tyranny syndrome, no matter whose in charge its still ******. 5. Your subscription fee does not entitle you to ISK or any other benefit than SP. SP is what you pay a sub for, what you do with your time and the SP you have accumulated is your decision and if that's not working out the way you hoped then clearly you're doing something wrong (or working for the wrong people). I really like your points, I really do. SP for only ONE of your 3 Charicters whitch I think is a ripoff. The issue is I feel like people ARE buying their way to success. Just because we can afford it and can field it doesnt mean we will field it. Seccondly it isnt my fault because I am forced to join corps. I would Love to be on my own but CCP makes me join corps even if its an NPC corp. |

Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
272
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Posted - 2014.06.06 07:01:00 -
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There's nothing stopping you creating a 1-man corp. I did it and I feel just fine.
Also for people like me who go weeks at a time with limited spare time to play I could spend hours grinding ISK like its a second job or take 20minutes a day in overtime to pay for a plex. Although I consume plex only rarely I sympathise with those who do it as a means unto an end and not simply because they're bad at the game. LP store weapon cost rebalance |

Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
1
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Posted - 2014.06.06 07:04:00 -
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arnt 1 man corps super expensive? |

Rannasha Kore
United Individuals Clearly Unconventional Meatshield
7
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Posted - 2014.06.06 07:07:00 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:arnt 1 man corps super expensive?
Nope, just pay the one-time startup cost, which is negligible, and you're good to go.
They can get expensive if you want to set up an office in a popular station or run a POS on your own while not doing large amounts of research/manufacturing to justify the costs. But just setting up a 1-man corp is supercheap. |

Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
272
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Posted - 2014.06.06 07:15:00 -
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I think it was a couple of mil and thats it. Pocket change for anyone. LP store weapon cost rebalance |
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