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![Tisiphone Aqrabuamelu Tisiphone Aqrabuamelu](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91995222/portrait?size=64)
Tisiphone Aqrabuamelu
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
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Posted - 2014.06.06 19:27:00 -
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Google didn't give me an answer and i can't seem to find it on the forum.
What will happen to blueprints that are in the progress of a job (being it research, copying, manufacturing) when the changes to POS's occur with the launch of Crius.
Will they remain in station where they were installed from, or will the be moved into the pos arrays automatically?
I know new jobs will need the BPO inside the POS after the launch of Crius, just curious on what happens to jobs in progress. |
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![CCP Nullarbor CCP Nullarbor](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91303426/portrait?size=64)
CCP Nullarbor
C C P C C P Alliance
713
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Posted - 2014.06.06 21:42:00 -
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Tisiphone Aqrabuamelu wrote:Google didn't give me an answer and i can't seem to find it on the forum.
What will happen to blueprints that are in the progress of a job (being it research, copying, manufacturing) when the changes to POS's occur with the launch of Crius.
Will they remain in station where they were installed from, or will the be moved into the pos arrays automatically?
I know new jobs will need the BPO inside the POS after the launch of Crius, just curious on what happens to jobs in progress.
The blueprints will go back to where they originally came from, but new jobs will require the blueprints to be installed inside the POS. CCP Nullarbor //-áExotic Dancer-á// DEVGIFS |
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![Tisiphone Aqrabuamelu Tisiphone Aqrabuamelu](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91995222/portrait?size=64)
Tisiphone Aqrabuamelu
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
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Posted - 2014.06.06 22:05:00 -
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Thanks for the answer. This was what i expected but wasn't sure about.
It was also what I hoped for :-) |
![Leptus Leptus](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1248228285/portrait?size=64)
Leptus
3 Musketeer's
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Posted - 2014.06.07 01:33:00 -
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So the way I read this is that all of the BPO's my corp owns must be placed in the POS for copy/research and will be at risk for attack?
This is an excessive risk in BPO isk that has taken my corp many years to assemble over the years for easy taking. CCP is forcing high sec corps to expose billions if not trillions of isk in BPO's without any way to protect the investment but a simple POS.
The argument is defend the POS but most high sec industrial corps are well..........industrialists.
Just my two cents and we will not expose our BPO's in open space.
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![Loraine Gess Loraine Gess](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90089445/portrait?size=64)
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
365
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Posted - 2014.06.07 02:16:00 -
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Leptus wrote:So the way I read this is that all of the BPO's my corp owns must be placed in the POS for copy/research and will be at risk for attack?
This is an excessive risk in BPO isk that has taken my corp many years to assemble over the years for easy taking. CCP is forcing high sec corps to expose billions if not trillions of isk in BPO's without any way to protect the investment but a simple POS.
The argument is defend the POS but most high sec industrial corps are well..........industrialists.
Just my two cents and we will not expose our BPO's in open space.
If you had actually the intelligence to amass "trillions of isk in BPOs" or even billions you'd realize how futilely easy it is to safeguard your BPOs in a POS.
Not that I doubt that you have the hundreds of lines to run your collection all at once ![Roll](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) |
![Tisiphone Aqrabuamelu Tisiphone Aqrabuamelu](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91995222/portrait?size=64)
Tisiphone Aqrabuamelu
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
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Posted - 2014.06.07 09:36:00 -
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Leptus wrote:So the way I read this is that all of the BPO's my corp owns must be placed in the POS for copy/research and will be at risk for attack?
This is an excessive risk in BPO isk that has taken my corp many years to assemble over the years for easy taking. CCP is forcing high sec corps to expose billions if not trillions of isk in BPO's without any way to protect the investment but a simple POS.
The argument is defend the POS but most high sec industrial corps are well..........industrialists.
Just my two cents and we will not expose our BPO's in open space.
I am assuming that those BPO's you invested your isk in are already researched. So they don't need to stay in the POS as long as no research is conducted. Copying is somewhat different, but tbh, with the changes to copytime, not many BPO's require insanely long copytimes. There is also the option to actually cancel a copyjob in progress if you are really concerned about the BPO's once you are wardecced. Don't forget that (eventhough it can be expensive) there will be no more waiting times for ME research in stations anymore.
Don't get me wrong, I have mixed feelings about the changes as well, but no pain no gain, or no risk no reward. |
![Carniflex Carniflex](https://images.evetech.net/characters/660812563/portrait?size=64)
Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
225
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Posted - 2014.06.07 19:02:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote:Leptus wrote:So the way I read this is that all of the BPO's my corp owns must be placed in the POS for copy/research and will be at risk for attack?
This is an excessive risk in BPO isk that has taken my corp many years to assemble over the years for easy taking. CCP is forcing high sec corps to expose billions if not trillions of isk in BPO's without any way to protect the investment but a simple POS.
The argument is defend the POS but most high sec industrial corps are well..........industrialists.
Just my two cents and we will not expose our BPO's in open space.
If you had actually the intelligence to amass "trillions of isk in BPOs" or even billions you'd realize how futilely easy it is to safeguard your BPOs in a POS. Not that I doubt that you have the hundreds of lines to run your collection all at once ![Roll](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) Why don't you enlighten us with these easy ways how these bpo's can be so easily safeguarded. Is there some changes coming to a pos system I am not aware of perhaps? Unless you mean canseling all jobs as soon a random 1 man corp wardecs you.
Not saying anything about corporate roles, locked pirints or all or nothing access when it comes to pos - latter one has improved slightly off couple years back. Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
![Victoria Sin Victoria Sin](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1292878803/portrait?size=64)
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
649
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Posted - 2014.06.07 22:09:00 -
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Leptus wrote:So the way I read this is that all of the BPO's my corp owns must be placed in the POS for copy/research and will be at risk for attack?
This is an excessive risk in BPO isk that has taken my corp many years to assemble over the years for easy taking. CCP is forcing high sec corps to expose billions if not trillions of isk in BPO's without any way to protect the investment but a simple POS.
The argument is defend the POS but most high sec industrial corps are well..........industrialists.
Just my two cents and we will not expose our BPO's in open space.
All it means is you'll run copies from the BPO and use them at your POS. Yes, it means dedicating slots to the copy jobs where previously you didn't need to. Note: Copy times are changing to be similar to the time it takes to build the item I think. Whether that's good or bad really depends on how many runs you want to copy I guess. |
![Soldarius Soldarius](https://images.evetech.net/characters/268384296/portrait?size=64)
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
702
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Posted - 2014.06.09 17:18:00 -
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Research in station. Copy in station. Move copies to POS. Your BPOs are now safe and sound in your limited access corp hanger.
iirc copy time will be 80% of manufacturing time. Also there will be no wait to install research and copy jobs due to the removal of lines. But if the system is very busy there may be an additional fee. GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥
-Grath Telkin, 2014. |
![Meytal Meytal](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1444727213/portrait?size=64)
Meytal
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
430
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Posted - 2014.06.11 18:30:00 -
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"Leptus" wrote:So the way I read this is that all of the BPO's my corp owns must be placed in the POS for copy/research and will be at risk for attack?
This is an excessive risk in BPO isk that has taken my corp many years to assemble over the years for easy taking. CCP is forcing high sec corps to expose billions if not trillions of isk in BPO's without any way to protect the investment but a simple POS.
The argument is defend the POS but most high sec industrial corps are well..........industrialists.
Just my two cents and we will not expose our BPO's in open space. Man. Just, wow. Never go into Wormhole space.
If you run a Hisec POS and don't use it efficiently, sure, you may be at risk. Otherwise, you are logging in daily, managing jobs daily, and can see war notifications daily. You know you get 24-hour notification before a wardec goes into effect, right? No one can just spring it on you and catch you overnight while you sleep and dream of mountains of ISK. And not even Goons are dumb enough or bored enough to suicide a POS in hisec. Instant docking and undocking bookmarks get you from station to POS and back with zero risk.
Storage of your blueprints is actually safer in the POS than in your corporate hangars in your Hisec station as far as theft. While someone with access to Hangar 1 will indeed get Hangar 1 access in all corp storage modules, you can completely lock down a module and prevent access from anyone who does not have Config Starbase, regardless of hangar tab permissions. So you can have corp-access lab modules for cheaper stuff and also have restricted lab modules for the expensive blueprints.
The only meaningful change in Crius will be physically placing the blueprint in the research facility, and they already have declared their intent that research and manufacture be performed primarily with copies as opposed to originals, carefully crafting the times required for each to meet that goal. So, really, you're out nothing except maybe a little bit of convenience. You still won't need to put BPOs in the POS. |
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![Maxpie Maxpie](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1260512364/portrait?size=64)
Maxpie
MUSE Buy-n-Large Metaphysical Utopian Society Enterprises
432
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Posted - 2014.06.12 17:36:00 -
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Wait. And I apologize in advance if I missed something here, but if my corp bpo's are at station that has no copy or research facilities will I now have to unlock all of my blueprints in order to move them to get them copied (or otherwise researched)?
By any chance is there a change to the process of locking and unlocking blueprints? I don't know if I can deal with unlocking and locking again.
No good deed goes unpunished |
![Kenneth Feld Kenneth Feld](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1083970375/portrait?size=64)
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
68
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Posted - 2014.06.12 20:10:00 -
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Maxpie wrote:Wait. And I apologize in advance if I missed something here, but if my corp bpo's are at station that has no copy or research facilities will I now have to unlock all of my blueprints in order to move them to get them copied (or otherwise researched)?
By any chance is there a change to the process of locking and unlocking blueprints? I don't know if I can deal with unlocking and locking again.
Yes
No, you have to do them one at a time. I recommend tylenol before and after, then at least 3 days bed rest for your clicking hand. |
![Maxpie Maxpie](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1260512364/portrait?size=64)
Maxpie
MUSE Buy-n-Large Metaphysical Utopian Society Enterprises
432
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Posted - 2014.06.12 21:42:00 -
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That is beyond ridiculous. ![Sad](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_sad.png)
Why do CCP want me to get carpal tunnel syndrome?
No good deed goes unpunished |
![Minerva Arbosa Minerva Arbosa](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92626011/portrait?size=64)
Minerva Arbosa
Astrocomical Warped Intentions
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Posted - 2014.06.15 12:50:00 -
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I suggest we just all petition CCP to unlock all of our blueprints en masse and save some of us the hassle of trying to unlock them ourselves. Or you could just unlock the ones you really need, and leave the rest of them locked. |
![Ealon Musque Ealon Musque](https://images.evetech.net/characters/94353594/portrait?size=64)
Ealon Musque
Veldspar Industries Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2014.06.24 22:45:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:Tisiphone Aqrabuamelu wrote:Google didn't give me an answer and i can't seem to find it on the forum.
What will happen to blueprints that are in the progress of a job (being it research, copying, manufacturing) when the changes to POS's occur with the launch of Crius.
Will they remain in station where they were installed from, or will the be moved into the pos arrays automatically?
I know new jobs will need the BPO inside the POS after the launch of Crius, just curious on what happens to jobs in progress. The blueprints will go back to where they originally came from, but new jobs will require the blueprints to be installed inside the POS.
A followup question: What will happen to the jobs themselves? Will they finish according to the "old" mechanics (i.e. honor the accepted quote)? |
![Ergok Ergok](https://images.evetech.net/characters/199719845/portrait?size=64)
Ergok
Taking Inc Swine Aviation Labs
9
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Posted - 2014.06.27 12:31:00 -
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Ealon Musque wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:Tisiphone Aqrabuamelu wrote:Google didn't give me an answer and i can't seem to find it on the forum.
What will happen to blueprints that are in the progress of a job (being it research, copying, manufacturing) when the changes to POS's occur with the launch of Crius.
Will they remain in station where they were installed from, or will the be moved into the pos arrays automatically?
I know new jobs will need the BPO inside the POS after the launch of Crius, just curious on what happens to jobs in progress. The blueprints will go back to where they originally came from, but new jobs will require the blueprints to be installed inside the POS. A followup question: What will happen to the jobs themselves? Will they finish according to the "old" mechanics (i.e. honor the accepted quote)? EDIT: If the job finishes according to the pre-Crius mechanics, I take it that the BPO will be converted to new ME/TE numbers immediately upon completion? Or how would that be handled?
Would love the answer to this as well :)
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![Ginger Barbarella Ginger Barbarella](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92167415/portrait?size=64)
Ginger Barbarella
1946
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Posted - 2014.06.27 16:52:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote:Leptus wrote:So the way I read this is that all of the BPO's my corp owns must be placed in the POS for copy/research and will be at risk for attack?
This is an excessive risk in BPO isk that has taken my corp many years to assemble over the years for easy taking. CCP is forcing high sec corps to expose billions if not trillions of isk in BPO's without any way to protect the investment but a simple POS.
The argument is defend the POS but most high sec industrial corps are well..........industrialists.
Just my two cents and we will not expose our BPO's in open space.
If you had actually the intelligence to amass "trillions of isk in BPOs" or even billions you'd realize how futilely easy it is to safeguard your BPOs in a POS. Not that I doubt that you have the hundreds of lines to run your collection all at once ![Roll](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png)
Do you ever contribute meaningfully to any threads here?
Also, "you'd realize how futilely easy it is to safeguard your BPOs"?? WTF? English much? "Futile" doesn't mean what you think it does. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
![Josclyn Verreuil Josclyn Verreuil](https://images.evetech.net/characters/265219358/portrait?size=64)
Josclyn Verreuil
Justified Chaos
5
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Posted - 2014.06.30 02:11:00 -
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Slightly different version of the question, will research jobs continue as installed, post launch?
What I mean is this:
-I buy a new clean Stabber BPO the night before Crius, and start research to ME10 with an expected time of ~20 days.
-Crius launches
-After the 20 days has elapsed, the job has completed and I have my ME10 Stabber BPO wherever I installed it.
Is this correct as described, or will Crius affect either the time to completion or the final product, adjusting for the new timescales? |
![Redwyne Vyruk Redwyne Vyruk](https://images.evetech.net/characters/93453521/portrait?size=64)
Redwyne Vyruk
DeepSpace Manufacturers Brothers of Tangra
3
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Posted - 2014.07.18 00:26:00 -
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prob this question was already made somewhere but let's say that now i place a job of 1 week time, crius will come sooner than the job finish, what it'll happen to the job?
-it'll end when the week will finish? -it'll end but it's not finished so i get mats back or the unresearched bpo back? -it'll end and the bpo is researched (or the itme is built)? |
![Tau Cabalander Tau Cabalander](https://images.evetech.net/characters/127433285/portrait?size=64)
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3886
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Posted - 2014.07.18 01:10:00 -
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Redwyne Vyruk wrote:prob this question was already made somewhere but let's say that now i place a job of 1 week time, crius will come sooner than the job finish, what it'll happen to the job?
-it'll end when the week will finish? -it'll end but it's not finished so i get mats back or the unresearched bpo back? -it'll end and the bpo is researched (or the itme is built)? EVE Industry - All you want to know
CCP RubberBAND wrote:Two step wrote:I don't think I missed it, but it would be good to mention what happens to jobs that are running when the patch happens You are correct. This information will be in the patch notes, but for your convenience here it is: Jobs installed or active during Crius deployment are dealt in the following manner:
- Jobs that were installed before the patch still use the old pricing and time until delivered
- Blueprints that are using Starbases remotely will be delivered to the station they were installed into, not the Starbase. This is a one-time only move, blueprints inserted after Crius will need to be moved to Starbases
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![Redwyne Vyruk Redwyne Vyruk](https://images.evetech.net/characters/93453521/portrait?size=64)
Redwyne Vyruk
DeepSpace Manufacturers Brothers of Tangra
3
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Posted - 2014.07.18 11:59:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Redwyne Vyruk wrote:prob this question was already made somewhere but let's say that now i place a job of 1 week time, crius will come sooner than the job finish, what it'll happen to the job?
-it'll end when the week will finish? -it'll end but it's not finished so i get mats back or the unresearched bpo back? -it'll end and the bpo is researched (or the itme is built)? EVE Industry - All you want to knowCCP RubberBAND wrote:Two step wrote:I don't think I missed it, but it would be good to mention what happens to jobs that are running when the patch happens You are correct. This information will be in the patch notes, but for your convenience here it is: Jobs installed or active during Crius deployment are dealt in the following manner:
- Jobs that were installed before the patch still use the old pricing and time until delivered
- Blueprints that are using Starbases remotely will be delivered to the station they were installed into, not the Starbase. This is a one-time only move, blueprints inserted after Crius will need to be moved to Starbases
thanks, really appreatiated |
![Brock Nelson Brock Nelson](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1201605875/portrait?size=64)
Brock Nelson
680
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Posted - 2014.07.18 18:46:00 -
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Maxpie wrote:That is beyond ridiculous. ![Sad](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_sad.png) Why do CCP want me to get carpal tunnel syndrome?
You obviously have not done invention... Signature removed, CCP Phantom |
![Vyktor Abyss Vyktor Abyss](https://images.evetech.net/characters/938716338/portrait?size=64)
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance
526
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Posted - 2014.07.18 22:50:00 -
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One little question as I've just put some BPOs in to copy...
What happens to BPOs that are queued up and have not started copying?
so.. for example if my Imicus blueprint is queued but not due to start copying until after Crius?
Cheers.
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![CCP Nullarbor CCP Nullarbor](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91303426/portrait?size=64)
CCP Nullarbor
C C P C C P Alliance
766
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Posted - 2014.07.20 16:17:00 -
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Vyktor Abyss wrote:One little question as I've just put some BPOs in to copy...
What happens to BPOs that are queued up and have not started copying?
so.. for example if my Imicus blueprint is queued but not due to start copying until after Crius?
Cheers.
They will finish at the same time they were originally scheduled to finish. However, if you like you can cancel the pre-crius job and resubmit it to get it sooner, but you will need to pay the new installation costs. CCP Nullarbor //-áExotic Dancer-á// DEVGIFS |
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![Vyktor Abyss Vyktor Abyss](https://images.evetech.net/characters/938716338/portrait?size=64)
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance
526
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Posted - 2014.07.20 18:08:00 -
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As I kind of expected. Thanks.
I think I'll keep them queued as I suspect the costs will be a bit higher. |
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