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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2014.06.09 15:51:00 -
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James Archon wrote:You all know it, this 6 patch nonsense is the way for ccp to minimize its efforts on eve online. It's a desperat move, from a company that have lost its revenue on backwater projects that never worked out as they hoped. But do they learn? No, they are hoplessly continuing to pour money into projects like Valkery and Legion. If they want to save CCP, they should gamble on the pricewinning horse thats been solid for a decade.
How does this minimize effort exactly? Because I said already, if this works as it should it will do the opposite.
Reach expansion, release, patch, whatever, no longer tied into a theme, with that theme not set on a locked date means more flexability.
As I said in an earlier post, in theory (as we don't know how this will work in full practice till another patch or two) This system gives them more options to repair stuff.
What I mean is this: in the old system, they would pick a theme, lets say they picked Player Owned Structures and the theme for eve online: castle. Lets say they look it, and decide the release date will be dec 2nd. 2014. So they look at pos's and discover it is going to take a year worth of work to fix them. and they need several teams to do it, So they now have two options. 1) drop the idea of fixing pos' and change the expansion theme to something easier. or 2) put the guys to work on pos' and the rest do insignificant fixes and release a weak expansion. Then the next one, out in a year, will be a pos over haul.
Now lets say they went with 2. and as they were working, got 4 months into the project and learned that no, we will need to fix these other systems first, so now we have two years of work. So they would decide to scrap it and move on.
The new system, goes like this. "We need to fix pos's, but we have all these other systems first. lets get cracking" So the pos guys get there year, but lets say in 4 months they see the corps and alliances need fixing, so they can have guys work on that, and as code is done, it gets released.
In theory, as I said but prolly did not describe it well, this give flexibility. Which is GOOD. Will it work out that way? who knows. Is this new system a sign of eve is dying? No. Its a sign of changing directions and momentums, and is not a bad thing at all. 10 years of eve... yea i'm an addict |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2014.06.09 15:56:00 -
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James Archon wrote:You all know it, this 6 patch nonsense is the way for ccp to minimize its efforts on eve online. It's a desperat move, from a company that have lost its revenue on backwater projects that never worked out as they hoped. But do they learn? No, they are hoplessly continuing to pour money into projects like Valkery and Legion. If they want to save CCP, they should gamble on the pricewinning horse thats been solid for a decade.
Also, remind me if I ever run a company to NOT hire you.
There is an old phrase called 'not keeping your eggs in one basket' It is ridiculous for CCP to just have eve. It is not good in a business sense or a logical one at all.
They are learning. Dust was obviously an underperforming if not failed product. So they are essentially canning it and making legion.
And as I said above, the new schedule of releases gives them flexibility. They were able to push the industry changes back, because of the new system, giving more time for feedback. in the old system we would of gotten it, and if it was buggy or broken, they would of moved on to the next shiney. 10 years of eve... yea i'm an addict |
James Archon
Beyond the Great Unknown
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Posted - 2014.06.09 17:07:00 -
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Keep on living in your fantasy world.. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1108
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Posted - 2014.06.09 17:31:00 -
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They need to leak false info about future patch so people lose tons of ISK on market speculation. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.06.09 17:33:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:They need to leak false info about future patch so people lose tons of ISK on market speculation.
they should do it in promptly released, succinct CSM minutes. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
640
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Posted - 2014.06.09 17:59:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:James Archon wrote:You all know it, this 6 patch nonsense is the way for ccp to minimize its efforts on eve online. It's a desperat move, from a company that have lost its revenue on backwater projects that never worked out as they hoped. But do they learn? No, they are hoplessly continuing to pour money into projects like Valkery and Legion. If they want to save CCP, they should gamble on the pricewinning horse thats been solid for a decade. Also, remind me if I ever run a company to NOT hire you. There is an old phrase called 'not keeping your eggs in one basket' It is ridiculous for CCP to just have eve. It is not good in a business sense or a logical one at all. They are learning. Dust was obviously an underperforming if not failed product. So they are essentially canning it and making legion. And as I said above, the new schedule of releases gives them flexibility. They were able to push the industry changes back, because of the new system, giving more time for feedback. in the old system we would of gotten it, and if it was buggy or broken, they would of moved on to the next shiney. I'm glad someone here has half a brain instead of ripping on CCP while having no idea how development processes work at a large company. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2014.06.09 18:33:00 -
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Milla Goodpussy wrote:They've already messed up their roadmap as they detailed during fanfest.. I guess they decided to skip bits and pieces.. but here was the original plan OP.
CCP has already named and dated the next nine updates as well. HereGÇÖs what to expect, assuming delays donGÇÖt put the whole schedule through some crazy blender tornado. Gù+Kronos GÇô 3rd June Gù+Crius GÇô 19th August Gù+Hyperion GÇô 23rd September Gù+Oceanus GÇô 4th November Gù+Phoebe GÇô 9th December Gù+Rhea GÇô 20th January 2015 Gù+Tethys GÇô 7th February Gù+Theia GÇô 17th March Gù+Themis GÇô 4th April
as you can see they've only met one date thus far with Kronos... and already messed up Rhea .. I guess that's the expanision to fix the current nerf/expansion wtf ever they want to call it.. Crius august?? nope july 22nd..
Ccp couldn't stick with a plan if someone paid them to..lol
but as you know ... all discussion of expanisions/patch fix.. are always TBD.. and can change after someone says OOPS! its not ready yet.
"Plan" is something what looks completely different when it comes to realization. When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues. http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
602
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Posted - 2014.06.09 19:38:00 -
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I'm sure the upper managers are going to love the new system - "flexibility" means no whip to crack over the teams. "You must meet this expansion deadline!!" "Ha ha ha! Yeah, right. C'mon it's only another 6 weeks of slip."
In the meantime the investors, market speculators, and marketing guys are looking for a way to end their misery.
CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.06.09 19:46:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote: In the meantime the investors, market speculators, and marketing guys are looking for a way to end their misery.
Oh you mean in-game versions of those
I was about to be somewhat uncharitable lol
"If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.06.10 02:49:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:I'm sure the upper managers are going to love the new system - "flexibility" means no whip to crack over the teams. "You must meet this expansion deadline!!" "Ha ha ha! Yeah, right. C'mon it's only another 6 weeks of slip."
In the meantime the investors, market speculators, and marketing guys are looking for a way to end their misery.
What's the point of cracking the whip if it gives you half-assed jesus feature needing to be overhauled later? |
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Amarisen Gream
Manu Fortius space weaponry and trade
22
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Posted - 2014.06.10 07:48:00 -
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Personally. After starting his post and reading every things. CCP should have just we are moving to a system where we will push a new patch every 2 months. Not the best warning but gives them more freedom. xoxo Amarisen Gream
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Tikitina
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
134
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Posted - 2014.06.10 07:54:00 -
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They did say that the plan was to have updates about every 6 weeks, not every 6 weeks.
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Hoshi Sorano
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.10 17:58:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:If you boil a frog slowly it doesn't notice and never jumps out the water.
This is a myth.
No, I didn't test it out myself.
Yes, I have an IRL friend who did.
The frog got out.
Moral of the story: some frogs are smarter than some EVE players. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
633
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Posted - 2014.06.10 20:03:00 -
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I still am waiting for proof that the next release is in aug and not july 22nd, which is about 7 weeks from kronos' launch. All the dev post I have seen say july 22nd.. so.. where is your info coming from? (directed to a post on page 1) 10 years of eve... yea i'm an addict |
James Archon
Beyond the Great Unknown
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Posted - 2014.06.10 21:21:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:I still am waiting for proof that the next release is in aug and not july 22nd, which is about 7 weeks from kronos' launch. All the dev post I have seen say july 22nd.. so.. where is your info coming from? (directed to a post on page 1)
Didn't you get the memo? CCP's staff is in Bahamas, enjoying margaritas and postponing the NeXT patch due to summer holidays. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
634
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Posted - 2014.06.10 21:48:00 -
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James Archon wrote:DaReaper wrote:I still am waiting for proof that the next release is in aug and not july 22nd, which is about 7 weeks from kronos' launch. All the dev post I have seen say july 22nd.. so.. where is your info coming from? (directed to a post on page 1) Didn't you get the memo? CCP's staff is in Bahamas, enjoying margaritas and postponing the NeXT patch due to summer holidays.
You do realize this is eve and not Star Citizen right? ;) 10 years of eve... yea i'm an addict |
James Archon
Beyond the Great Unknown
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Posted - 2014.06.11 09:54:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:James Archon wrote:DaReaper wrote:I still am waiting for proof that the next release is in aug and not july 22nd, which is about 7 weeks from kronos' launch. All the dev post I have seen say july 22nd.. so.. where is your info coming from? (directed to a post on page 1) Didn't you get the memo? CCP's staff is in Bahamas, enjoying margaritas and postponing the NeXT patch due to summer holidays. You do realize this is eve and not Star Citizen right? ;)
We all know CCP staff are known to take a good summervacation. I thougth you had played for 10 years? |
Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
198
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Posted - 2014.06.11 10:56:00 -
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Milla Goodpussy wrote:
Gù+Kronos GÇô 3rd June Gù+ (fixing Kronos) GÇô 19th August Gù+ (fixing Kronos) GÇô 23rd September Gù+ (Fixing Kronos) - 4th November Gù+ Crius GÇô 30th November Gù+ (fixing Crius) - Gù+ ... Gù+ ...
FTFY
"And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit It never felt so good, I never felt so hid" - Ramona McCandless, Untitled |
Pine Marten
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.11 11:54:00 -
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Nami Kumamato wrote:Milla Goodpussy wrote:
Gù+Kronos GÇô 3rd June Gù+ (fixing Kronos) GÇô 19th August Gù+ (fixing Kronos) GÇô 23rd September Gù+ (Fixing Kronos) - 4th November Gù+ Crius GÇô 30th November Gù+ (fixing Crius) - Gù+ ... Gù+ ...
FTFY
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