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HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.10.15 12:09:33 - [1] - Quote Aquila Sagitta wrote: Class 3[list] Legion Hi Is this still viable since RR-Sleeper-Patch? And this fit is not complete? Is this supposed to be so, which I can't imagine? thanks for some help.
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.11.06 15:29:27 - [2] - Quote Aquila Sagitta wrote: Yadaryon Vondawn wrote: Aquila Sagitta wrote: HoruSeth wrote: Aquila Sagitta wrote: Class 3[list] Legion Hi Is this still viable since RR-Sleeper-Patch? And this fit is not complete? Is this supposed to be so, which I can't imagine? thanks for some help. That fit does indeed look ******. Will pull it down. Could you post a updated version of a viable legion fit please ? I don't fly legions. You're gonna need to test and post back here hint: Test on sisi I have made up my mind a bit and used the C3 Legion as a basis and what I came out with is the following fitting. I used as well my Zealot for C1 and would assume it works quite well without any faction the following way and I do hope to maybe find some recommendations for improvements without adding any shiny items: [Legion - C2] Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Cap Recharger II 10MN Afterburner II Tracking Computer, Tracking Speed Script Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Tracking Enhancer II Medium Energy Collision Accelerator II Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I empty Subsystems Defensive - Nanobot injector Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Offensive - Liquid crystal magnifier Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir 223 sustained dps tank (enough!) Conflag M w/ Tracking Speed Script: 742dps with 12,4+6 and 0,1 tracking - 29% Cap Stable all running Scorch M w/ Tracking Speed Script: 530dps with 37,1+6 and 0,107 tracking - 40% Cap Stable all running Scorch M w/ Optimal Range Script: 530dps with 42,2+7,6 and 0,083 tracking - 40% Cap Stable all running Imperial Navy MF w/ TRacking Speed Script: 665 with 12,4+6 and 0,143 tracking - 40% Cap Stable all running 8,45sec. Align Time Due to an empty Rig and the align time I am aiming a medium friction nozzle joints I rig at the moment. What do you think?
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.11.10 10:54:21 - [3] - Quote I am using a Zealot for C1 already, but with a different Fit, which has more dps, range and tracking, but less tank (sufficient for C1 though). For C2 your Zealot would work (decent Fit!), but I guess my current ship is much better already at that and current Legion Fitting I have started now with has more dps and range +8km Optimal for Scorch, which is a lot in C2 due to spawning ships 70km+ away from warpin! Have you flown that ship in C2s by yourself? What are your completion times for P. Checkpoint?
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2014.12.23 10:26:13 - [4] - Quote Khun Maa wrote: Whats wrong with this C3 Legion fit? I took it to a C2 to get a feel for it and the tank was more than enough of course but it seemed to take a while to kill the battleships. Can I drop a tank mod somewhere and add DPS for C3's or is this about the best I can do? http://i.imgur.com/xx0zBpG.png Against Battleships use Conflag, not INMF! Maybe you have done that, but your fitting Shows INMF. But even than. Sleeper Battleships are tough. They have quite high resists and lot of buffer. They take longer than the usual K-Space NPC Battleship. Don't worry. For C3 you can not do much more, except pimping it or use another ship. But you can have a similar Legion with 150M less pimp, more tank, but same dps stats. Just search the forums for Double-MAR2 Fittings. Tuketh Sagus wrote: Just created this fit, what do you think? Its supposed to be for c2 and maybe 3 anomalies. [sleepix, Brutix] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II 400mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script 250mm Railgun II, Thorium Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Thorium Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Thorium Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Thorium Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Thorium Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Thorium Charge M Drone Link Augmentor II Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator II Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Hammerhead I x5 Will defenitely die in C3 and will have big problems in C2s. Why mix Buffer with Rep? Not needed. 125dps Tank is far away from enough, even for C2 and probably with this ship for C1 ... Obviously you want to kite. No Prop-Mod. Sleepers are fast, even Battleships and close the distance sooner or later, which will force you to warp in and off repeatedly. Your drones will die, because even if you can kite, Hammerheads are too slow to get back to Drone bay from Kiting-Distances as soon as they get aggro. Not enough Dronebay to replace them and even more important no space left for "Small Drones", which you would need against Close-range-kinting Sleeper Frigs.
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2014.12.29 15:03:49 - [5] - Quote Tuketh Sagus wrote: [Brutix, Brutix Test] Did you tried that one already? Would assume, that tracking is too bad and applied damage is quite low maybe?
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2015.01.16 10:45:38 - [6] - Quote Do you mean Advanced Cruiser maybe? If so a Zealot can do this Job quite well. can be a Little tough in one of the data or relic sites because of Neuting, but for the rest should go w/o bigger Problems if you have the skills. Edit: Ah sorry. Saw you are looking for the cheapest ship. In that case I think a Harbinger with Heavy Pulse Laser, Dual MAR2, 2-3 Heat Sinks, 1-2EANMs can do the Job. AB+Web + Tracking/Cap in the Medslots depending on your skills. Drones I would use Mediums for more damage when it Comes to BS / Cruiser.
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2015.01.19 09:48:20 - [7] - Quote maybe just personal preference, as on the Drake I use MWD for example. But for this fit I would assume it slightly better due to: - Cap (in some sites sleeper neut, in one hacking site a little more than in all the others) - A Little Speed tank - Fitting ressources If you can squeeze in a MWD you can do that as well. It should work. Guess it's more module management and in a wh I use as many time as possible to check DS, not the modules. In Addition this Harbinger relies more on cap, than my Drake and as soon as you get to know the anoms you know where the next spawn will come and which sleeper you kite and which not, so you can Manager your targets accordingly. Except for the drake I use ABs on all my other fittings as well.
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2015.01.20 11:41:19 - [8] - Quote Sorry I typed it manually. Made one row of Pulse Lasers too much :) Nevertheless 772dps with Conflag and Drones is correct, like all other stats as well. @DS: I know there are ways to Support that by using macros, but I never tried to find out wether they are allowed or not. I tend to play a game Vanilla Style! Nothing changed. Solo for me is solo as well. That's why I press D-Scan whenever I can and not bothering to use macros or bots or anything else like that.
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2015.01.22 11:30:42 - [9] - Quote For C2 [Gila, sleeper ] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II 10MN Afterburner II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Small Nosferatu II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II 'Augmented' Hammerhead x2 Infiltrator II x2 Valkyrie II x2 Vespa EC-600 x2 33k EHP 164dps passive tank 666m/s 996dps I had one T2 rigged Gila left from the time before they have been patched by CCP. Don't know what to do with it, so took into the wormhole to try. This one is so easy and fast to solo all C2 sites! Did not found a ship at the same price tag which is as fast or faster than this Gila in C2. For sure will work in C1 as well, but with the drones guess it's more designed for C2. Use both Target painters and your drones never get aggro! Works better than my standard T2 Tengu before. You can use RLML as well if you prefer that. I did not recognise a difference in completion times.
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2015.01.23 08:22:16 - [10] - Quote 200 passive tank on a cruiser-sized ship is enough for all c1 and c2 sites as long as you are not webbed! No need to gimp the low dps anymore. I don't know about the tracking, but my assumption is, that combined with "just" 500dps the tracking will be bad and therefore killspeed unsatisfying.

HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2015.02.24 10:02:26 - [11] - Quote Rattlesnake could do the job quite well I think if you have the skills for hacking / scanning @ ALL V. Nestor might be an option as well and if you are wiling to accept the price tag. Fit it for Sniper. PS: It depends on the point of view. If you look at the legion from a Paladin or Carrier doing C3s, yes the legion / Tengu might be slow, but they are OK killspeed wise if you use a pure combat fit. But at the end it might be more effective to do the combat part in a combat ship. Bookmark the sites and return later with hacking and salvaging ship.
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 15	Posted - 2015.03.11 09:09:29 - [12] - Quote it probably tanks the anomalies, but you have one major problem: 533dps is hard to apply. You have no propulsion module to close the distances to the new spawns (up to 80km). Your sentries will not hit hard enough, as you lack damage-support-modules, so you have to go back to medium drones, which is roughly 350dps, which will be again decreased by travel time. Or even switch to Small Drones for frigates. All in all it will be a lot drone management and you will loose from time to time some of them as your Remote repairer will not work constantly. A more "omni" tank would be nice as well, but hard to fit it on your boat. You will finish the anomalies, but I would assume it will be painful to do so. If you want to fly drones, check the Gila fit some pages ago. Works like a charm ;)
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 16	Posted - 2015.03.17 12:54:44 - [13] - Quote Unless you show the fitting I would worry if you do not destroy your own tracking by orbiting with 10MN AB. I have read from a standard 1MN AB Fitting, which was able to do C1 and C2 anoms, but I doubt it will really sustain for example in C2 anoms with Sentries or where you do not know the position of the next spawns and may receive very hard hits from Battleships. Anyway C1 shouldn't be a problem at all.
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 19	Posted - 2015.03.24 15:30:01 - [14] - Quote It may work, but you have to adjust maybe the speed manually and please also check the agility with a 10mn ab. A confessor with 10MN AB has an Align-time of 15seconds! Maybe too long and you can not stay aligned with a confessor like you can do with other ships. Just saying.
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 22	Posted - 2015.04.13 13:55:27 - [15] - Quote a little weak on dps side. Probably good for C1, but will give you slow completition times in C2. What about a simple Shield passiv recharge fitting: [Stratios, Unnamed loadout] Damage Control II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II 10MN Afterburner II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Drone Link Augmentor II Medium Remote Hull Repairer II /offline Medium 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer /offline Gatling Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Ogre II x3 Hammerhead II x2 Hammerhead II x5 Gecko x2 Acolyte II x6 Hornet EC-300 x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 Ogre II x2 More Buffer when C2 sleeper Battleships come with their alpha strikes. More Damage from Drones. No Damage from Lasers. Your lasers will have a hard time tracking smaller sleeper anyway. Drop them and be prepared to repair your drones on the fly / safespot if you need it without using your mobile depot. Both Remote Repairers are offline. Tank is enough for C2. 41,6k EHP @ ~230ehp/s up to 636dps with Gallente Drones, if you like it with style, use Geckos @ 616dps, but with sligtly better killspeed. Keep tranversal velocity up against battleships. Anything else can be tanked easily as your drones will get aggro from time to time as well. Gatling Pulse Laser to get aggro probable? I don't think it's necessary, but nothing else uesfull found.
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 788	Posted - 2015.06.11 14:19:58 - [16] - Quote Aquila Sagitta wrote: Ishtar might have some issues tanking c2 mag/radar. Remember mag/radar sites are like the next class up anom. Ishtar could probably normal c2 anoms tho. Just gotta have sufficient tank or good kite abilitys. If all your looking to do is get the cans you could just kill everything except last ship in first wave. Then I don't think you'd have any issues. I recommend jumping on Sisi and testing it out! Ishtar can tank easily C2 sites! That's not a problem. If the intention is just to get access to the sleeper hacking site cans, forget it! They are not worth the time to hack them. Just stick to 0.0 hacking sites in wormholes. That's it. If you want a better ship for C2 than Ishtar, but same approach --> Gila! Keep Smile and Kill, You can not wave them all!
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 788	Posted - 2015.06.12 06:55:14 - [17] - Quote Neither the one, nor the other. --> RLML Yes you want them! For several reasons! :) Keep Smile and Kill, You can not wave them all!
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 923	Posted - 2015.07.14 13:46:00 - [18] - Quote Is this still updated? Because the first page shows old stuff or not complete stuff, where some good advices have been listed on the last 20-30 pages. With me is not good cherry eating, but you can steal horses with me.
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 987	Posted - 2015.07.27 11:38:02 - [19] - Quote Typhoon could be something, which could be used. tank and dps. With me is not good cherry eating, but you can steal horses with me.

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