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Soldarius
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Posted - 2014.06.12 17:51:00 -
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Matthew wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote: Tax rate at a POS makes no sense, since you can only install corporation jobs that get paid from the corporation wallet, you would only be taxing yourself.
Having one part of your corporation able to tax another part of it is actually incredibly useful for implementing separation of duties within a corporation. For example, under the current system you can nominate your starbase maintenance team to use the master wallet for all starbase expenses. The starbase team then sets their desired slot fees based on running costs of the starbase. A different wallet division is set up for use by the blueprint copying team. The blueprint copying team places their jobs into the starbase lab arrays, and the appropriate slot fees are automatically deducted from the blueprint copying wallet division and paid into the master wallet division. When the starbase maintenance team needs to buy more fuel, they are able to use the slot fees that have accumulated in the master wallet to do so. It is then very easy to see whether the takings are sufficient to run the starbase or not, and to manage the funding of the starbase separately from the profitability of the blueprint copying. Without the ability to set taxes at a starbase, maintaining this separation of duties would require a significant amount of manual accounting work to calculate the appropriate apportionment of starbase operating costs and manually transfer the appropriate amounts of ISK between wallet divisions.
You do realize you are proposing transferring money from the master wallet into a division to pay for fees which go into the master wallet, right?
Dizzy yet? I know your isk is. Because you're washing it like a pro. Not to mention the risk of corp theft.
You can set the taxes to 0, give access to a single empty wallet division to everyone using the arrays thus eliminating the opportunity for theft and skimming, and then pay for POS fuel out of the master wallet (or another POS-related division for that matter) anyway.
tl;dr: There is no way to make money from POS array fees. The net is always zero.
GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥
-Grath Telkin, 2014. |

Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.06.12 17:52:00 -
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Kenneth Skybound wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:Cpt King wrote:Whats the advantage because Pos or Station Producing / Reasearch for the Holders of the Station in 0.0? So the holders are not able to limit the usage or place some Tax for the Corp on the Reasearch / Production slots? You will be able to tax industry jobs in player outposts, we just need to add the bit of UI for configuring the tax rate. Apologies if this is answered already, I'm a page behind. Will we have the ability to set the tax rate on job install costs at POS's as well? I'm not sure if that just applied to outposts or not. Would REALLY like to have this Tax rate at a POS makes no sense, since you can only install corporation jobs that get paid from the corporation wallet, you would only be taxing yourself. Personal jobs at a POS may come with a POS rework in the future. If the tax is taken from one wallet and put into another it DOES make sense. Eg, industry guys putting money into the master wallet, through tax, to help pay their bit for the fuel.
Dude, they aren't paying from their personal wallet. The fees come out of the corp wallet. GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥
-Grath Telkin, 2014. |

Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.06.13 15:52:00 -
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Kithran wrote:To illustrate how it would be used (and how I have personally seen it used in the past)
You set up a wallet division called research.
You give the people doing research access to the wallet division research - this means they can put in money when they want to do research.
You set a cost for the research (current process - would be a tax rate under new method).
When someone wants to do research they put the bpo in a lab, they put the isk into the research wallet, they start research.
At present with this arrangement the cost goes into the master wallet, it can then be used to pay for say fuel. What people are suggesting is you should be able to set tax rates on your own pos which would mean the tax part of the cost of a job would go into the master wallet in the same way costs do now.
I agree that you are effectively depending on donations from your players to run your POS.
I also agree that members can simply not pay. Or pay less. Or empty the wallet at will (though that would show in the logs). Or any number of other things that result in you losing isk.
I'm all for having a way to tax for array usage, especially if it allows public fees and access. If we could select which wallet to use to pay for the lab fees, like we can for buying and selling on the market, the entire problem would be solved.
GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥
-Grath Telkin, 2014. |

Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.06.13 16:01:00 -
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Blue Harrier wrote:Thanks for the earlier reply to my other post.
Now a question; We now have the facility to anchor a POS in high sector space but do I take it we will not be able to harvest moons?
I did try and set up a Moon Harvesting Array but got a long winded message about it had to be in 0.4 or less (I think). The message vanishes far too quickly to read it all and because it has multiple lines itGÇÖs very difficult to read all of it in one go.
The tl;dr: You cannot do moon mining in .4 or higher.
That is it. I hope that one day that changes. I've never been a fan of artificial and/or arbitrary limitations. Then again, it would probably completely crash the moongoo market.
GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥
-Grath Telkin, 2014. |

Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.06.20 22:54:00 -
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(Please accept apologies. But sometimes I just can't help trolling.)
Wow. Such moons. Many tears. Goons mad.
Your moon goo jew juice empire is (generally) safe. A few extra dozen R64s won't kill your SRP. Besides, I thought you had seen the light with rental scams programs? Aren't they the wave of the future? Or... is PBLRD not the isk-fountain you thought it would be? Renters leaving in droves? Is your PASTA a little too aldente? Predditors killing all your sheep?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tSLQlV9i4Q GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥
-Grath Telkin, 2014. |

Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.06.24 19:49:00 -
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CCP Greyscale, thank you for this. Common sense changes are good for the game. GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥ -Grath Telkin, 2014. |

Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.06.24 20:01:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:No idea how viable it is, but:
Add a 20 minute online time (but not offline, preferably) to all arrays and labs. Then sure, you can play online/offline shenanigans, but it'd be annoying as hell to do regularly, with large times to do (as you can't online two things at the same time)
Not no. But Hell, no. We just got rid of the unholy crime against humanity that is module online/offline times and you wanna bring it back? Do you have nay idea how badly that effects POSes with silos that have to be regularly switched on and off just so we can take stuff out or put it in?
Nonononononono.
GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥ -Grath Telkin, 2014. |
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