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Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
1061
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Posted - 2014.06.15 17:16:00 -
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I see your still looking for the answer you expect rather than the right answer;
There are a 141 missions for Lvl-3 agents that you can get.
All of them are a breeze (Easy) with a ship that does 500 dps with ranges of 3000m to 65km and can tank 700dps. And most of them are impossible to merely difficult in a T1 frig with less than 150dps and a 400ehp buffer tank.
So we come back to the question I asked last night, what are you trying to do the mission in (What ship).
Answer that, and I am sure the me and the community will have the right answer for you.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |

Taegessia
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.06.15 22:48:00 -
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Trying to answer your question as realistically as possible, I do not think you will get accurate results at your current level of skills, because that would make most of the easy missions look hard. Someone will get a different experience with near maxed skills and a most advanced T2 fit, mixed with some faction\deadspace items ideally (within reasonable limits).
While you give lots of details about how you are running this project of yours, there seems to be an innate trend to your posting that excludes constructive criticism (which only targets to improve the outcome of your objective) from other players that posted. So when I read at some point (random pick) that you are training Connections to V, i can't help myself to wonder and make the question :
" Why would you be willing to train that skill to V (or prioritize it over others) and not be willing to spend those 2 weeks training something else that would actually produce more accurate results & most likely reduce the amount of effort during your testing ? ".
I can easily say that this comment is meant as constructive criticism or, indirectly, as an advice mixed with a tone of personal puzzlement (over choice of skill) but the chance is that you are going to see it as something irrelevant to your initial query and possibly be offended as well. I hope you will not but if you do, it is your prerogative to do so, naturally.
Unfortunately, I'm afraid this kind of responding philosophy you have adopted towards other player's obvious willingness to help will lead you to an impasse. And speaking with riddles & a style that i can describe as "reading a science fiction novel" rather than straightforward description of your query, only makes the task for the responding candidates so much harder.
Good luck to your quest. The new looks of the Typhoon hulls are-áamazing!! It's like flying-áa Battlestar Galactica with a Tengu bow :)
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Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2014.06.15 23:53:00 -
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Taegessia wrote:Trying to answer your question as realistically as possible, I do not think you will get accurate results at your current level of skills, because that would make most of the easy missions look hard. Someone will get a different experience with near maxed skills and a most advanced T2 fit, mixed with some faction\deadspace items ideally (within reasonable limits).
While you give lots of details about how you are running this project of yours, there seems to be an innate trend to your posting that excludes constructive criticism (which only targets to improve the outcome of your objective) from other players that posted. So when I read at some point (random pick) that you are training Connections to V, i can't help myself to wonder and make the question :
" Why would you be willing to train that skill to V (or prioritize it over others) and not be willing to spend those 2 weeks training something else that would actually produce more accurate results & most likely reduce the amount of effort during your testing ? ".
I can easily say that this comment is meant as constructive criticism or, indirectly, as an advice mixed with a tone of personal puzzlement (over choice of skill) but the chance is that you are going to see it as something irrelevant to your initial query and possibly be offended as well. I hope you will not but if you do, it is your prerogative to do so, naturally.
Unfortunately, I'm afraid this kind of responding philosophy you have adopted towards other player's obvious willingness to help will lead you to an impasse. And speaking with riddles & a style that i can describe as "reading a science fiction novel" rather than straightforward description of your query, only makes the task for the responding candidates so much harder.
Good luck to your quest. That is why I solo.
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Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2014.06.16 00:31:00 -
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You fail to understand I won't have the time or money for that for 3 years going on 6 years.
You refuse to accept it and try to hold me liable of some wrongdoing or fault .
It's dangerous and is interfering against my work, income and family.
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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2014.06.16 13:30:00 -
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I approve of this product and/or service. |

Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1118
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Posted - 2014.06.16 13:52:00 -
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Lar Tadaruwa wrote:You fail to understand I won't have the time or money for that for 3 years going on 6 years.
You refuse to accept it and try to hold me liable of some wrongdoing or fault .
It's dangerous and is interfering against my work, income and family.
If EVE is "interfering against my work, income and family." for you, stop playing EVE. It's better that way.
As for your OP, all level 3 mission are easy if you do them the way they are meant to be done. What you do them in, how you proceed to do them and your level of competency (both in term of actual player skill and in game skill accumulation in the relevant area) will dictate how hard/easy they are. There are no list of this because the difficulty of each mission is cannot really be rated unless we are provided a stable point for comparison.
Let's give you an example.
Let's say for example you run mission against Gurista rats with a dominix. The dominix is fitted with kinetic hardner for the tank it choosed. At that point, pretty much all level 3 mission against Guristas would be easy because you could tank through anything it can throw at you.
Change those hardners to EM and everything just became harder because the tool to execute the mission (an AM tanked Domi) is not the right one. People can still power their way through it but it could be made easyer.
All the combat mission work that way. They can all be easy and they can all be harder.You absolutely can't make a list unless you know exactly against what they are rated hence why we cannot provide you a direct answer to your request. People are much more used to provide info on how to make each mission easyer than which one is easy because you can apply a set of knowledge to it to push |

Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
467
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Posted - 2014.06.16 14:33:00 -
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Lar Tadaruwa wrote:Goldiiee wrote: Perhaps you can share the ship and fittings you are currently using in the missions you are attempting, as that could be the biggest problem.
I don't like the way you try to twist it into a problem solving matter when it is not. I will block you . He obviously does not want help.
10/10 Well done OP, well done. |

Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
1061
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Posted - 2014.06.16 15:27:00 -
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Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:Lar Tadaruwa wrote:Goldiiee wrote: Perhaps you can share the ship and fittings you are currently using in the missions you are attempting, as that could be the biggest problem.
I don't like the way you try to twist it into a problem solving matter when it is not. I will block you . He obviously does not want help. 10/10 - Well done OP, well done. Yeah I don't know if it was a language/Google translator barrier, or if it is the OP is looking for an answer and right or wrong he is going to wait till he gets the answer he wanted.
But since he blocked me, I figure I can go back to helping the thousands of people that actually want to learn rather that helping the one that thinks he knows it all already.
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Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2014.06.16 22:15:00 -
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Which (SoE) Level 3 (security) missions are the easiest ? - Which are the ones that can be done the fastest with the least risk of problems?
Which are the hardest although they may give the highest rewards?
What is the actual standing gained (numerically speaking, before adjustments or after)?
I obviously have more to say on this and may make a new thread to try to filter disturbances or dissent.
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Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
469
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Posted - 2014.06.16 22:34:00 -
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Lar Tadaruwa wrote:Which (SoE) Level 3 (security) missions are the easiest ? - Which are the ones that can be done the fastest with the least risk of problems?
Which are the hardest although they may give the highest rewards?
What is the actual standing gained (numerically speaking, before adjustments or after)?
I obviously have more to say on this and may make a new thread to try to filter disturbances or dissent. Honestly L3 missions are so trivial that I seriously doubt anyone has ever or will ever bother to collect data like this. Nobody knows because nobody cares enough to find out.
I suppose blockade gets a mention as one of the harder ones. Same for recon part 1. (unless you blitz it in a shuttle/frigate, then its silly easy) |

Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2014.06.16 22:40:00 -
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Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:Lar Tadaruwa wrote:Which (SoE) Level 3 (security) missions are the easiest ? - Which are the ones that can be done the fastest with the least risk of problems?
Which are the hardest although they may give the highest rewards?
What is the actual standing gained (numerically speaking, before adjustments or after)? ... I suppose blockade gets a mention as one of the harder ones. Same for recon part 1. (unless you blitz it in a shuttle/frigate, then its silly easy) ... Except Recon is meant to be blitzed or be for Recon only. The NPCs are not meant to be engaged and provide little loot for the efforts required. Recon is one of the easiest mission.
I remember 2 or 4 that are easy and pay only around 100k ISK or 200k. Some pay over 800k and 1.n m ISK with bonus and more with bounties and loot (+salvage). Also, for salvage and loot, the MTU saves a High slot space instead of a tractor beam.
Edit: I'll try to update a list later on. I will probably do more level 3 missions on my other pilots since it is low risk for me while training. I will obviously expand on a solo Explorer.
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Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
469
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Posted - 2014.06.16 23:00:00 -
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Lar Tadaruwa wrote:... Except Recon is meant to be blitzed or be for Recon only. The NPCs are not meant to be engaged and provide little loot for the efforts required. Recon is one of the easiest mission. The bounty value in recon part 1 is actually pretty good if you kill everything. And they all spawn at the same distance from you, this makes killing them all easy if you do enough DPS.
IMO looting is generally a waste of time, both in missions and in null sec anoms. |

Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2014.06.16 23:01:00 -
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Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:Lar Tadaruwa wrote:... Except Recon is meant to be blitzed or be for Recon only. The NPCs are not meant to be engaged and provide little loot for the efforts required. Recon is one of the easiest mission. The bounty value in recon part 1 is actually pretty good if you kill everything. And they all spawn at the same distance from you, this makes killing them all easy if you do enough DPS. IMO looting is generally a waste of time, both in missions and in null sec anoms. I did. It was hard but I did. My DPS is around 400. My SB gets over 500 going on 700. But is has no tank.
I didn't put a Micro Jump Drive in the BS and I didn't try the new Medium MJD for BC yet.
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Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2014.06.19 22:58:00 -
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You know, it'd make no difference even if I had 400 years of English as first , or higher order than first language. The same exact attacks would be expanded, developed, administered, etc. Language and furthermore communication is an important part of my work. I do work with it. To state that I don't is a proof and example of some of the level of damage targeted at me. Especially when I may even be working more efficiently then the accusers. The value of a test can often be found in the value of those giving the test. That is a concept that psychologically holds true.
Furthermore, I don't work in the field of newspaper, even though my signature has an EVE news link. One of my ancestor wrote a journal which may be interpreted as a newspaper, and it was written in English. In fact, it dates even before the first supposedly recorded North American newspaper in Boston. How's that for a value of a test? Needless to say, it is a historical document. I might add, it's not that they are stupid, even though it's surprising how stupid they are.
In fact, I use the forums to detect it, analyse it, and use it for both tactical and strategical references. Also, I have to protect those under my care from being subjected to similar propaganda campaigns and the like. It would be an offence to allow them to be victimized by legal systems supporting this.
- . - . - As for the easiest Level 3 Missions, I reached the Gallente Federal Navy Academy first. (Equivalent of a Tutorial Empire faction corp.) I could only do the distribution missions however, and they offer the least rewards for standings. That Tutorial Empire faction corporation only offers distribution missions. It means that, it takes longer to be gaining standing from Distribution missions than Security.
The second easiest missions were the SOE missions. They are more efficient missions to gain standing from and arguably the easiest. SOE have many Security agent offering Security Missions.
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Tixx Enaka
I Like Raccoons
0
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Posted - 2014.06.22 05:33:00 -
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Kinda off topic, but would 250 dps be enough for 3's? |

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
865
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Posted - 2014.06.22 05:39:00 -
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Tixx Enaka wrote:Kinda off topic, but would 250 dps be enough for 3's?
Maybe a few 3s with difficult ships would give trouble, but I suspect you would be able to handle a lot of 3s, possibly even most. My Prophecy had 300 DPS when I was doing 3s and it handled them OK.
Note that if your DPS is low your completion times will be slow meaning you need good tank.
Read EVE survival and decide on a mission by mission basis.
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Tixx Enaka
I Like Raccoons
0
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Posted - 2014.06.22 05:49:00 -
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How mean are 3's to drones? |

Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2014.06.22 07:05:00 -
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None are Offtopic. 3 can be done with 250 dps with enough tank, or 2 ships at 250 dps or 3.
The drones I use are pretty complex. First off, every regular Empire Faction drones specialize in a damage type. That is, EM (Amarr), Thermal (Gallente), Kinetic (Caldari) and Explosive (Minmatar).
Most of my damage comes from Drones.
Secondly, the type of drones you use is important. Certain NPC have more difficulty to hit medium drones than heavy ones due to signature radius and other factors. In that case, it's sometimes better to keep medium drones out to achieve more actual damage. That will then happens even though the DPS is half of Heavy Drones.
I am just about to learn Sentry drones which are still stronger than Heavy Drones.
I make Drones Group by right clicking the drones in the Drones bay. There is an option to Create new group... that shows up.
I name my ground : H : for Hangar. That is where I keep most of my drones except a few.
R : for Ready. That is where I keep 5 of my drones since Drones V allows you to use 5 drones. That is also where I transfer other ready drones to fight from while in space if not damaged. The reason I make that Ready group is to help to differentiate them from other damaged drones. Sometimes the Drones start to get their shield damaged and I return them to Drones bay before. If only their shield is damage, I put them back to either the Hangar group or another separate group. (That 2nd separate group depends if the Hangar group is too busy and I can't sort the damaged shield drones...)
The other groups are: D : for Damaged. That is the Damaged group 1. All drones that have Armor damage go there for later repair at dock.
That is why it can be important to have more than 5 Drones in the Drones Bay, for in case of damage. That allows to have 5 ready, undamaged drones in space to fight.
The last group is: D2 : for Damaged 2. That is where I sort some of the drones from the Hangar that have a Damaged shield. That group becomes needed when there are too many drones coming in and out of the Hangar. It then becomes more complicated to pick the ones that have no Damaged shield.
That is it for now, of course there are more details and tricks.
Don't count on the Medium Drones to remain undamaged as they have less HP than the Heavy ones. Normally, the enemy NPCs will attack only one drone or 2 of the group of 5 if you keep them together. That also means to attack one target at a time and go to the next.
To control the Ready group, I separate them from the Damaged group and choose the Engage Enemy command.
To send the damaged drones to the Damaged group, I right click the damaged drones and chose: Move drone to : group name. The group names created automatically show in the right clicked "move to" options.
If the drone gets it's shield damaged, I chose return to Drone Bay, then move it to Hangar (H). If it's armor gets damaged while getting back, I move it to damage and it keep heading to Drones Bay. Once it arrives, I move another drone from the Hangar out.
It is always good to have a few Amarr drones out since they can take down EM shields faster.
The Sentry drones are not causing more damage but can hit further and are harder to damage and destroy,
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
868
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Posted - 2014.06.22 09:42:00 -
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Tixx Enaka wrote:How mean are 3's to drones?
Drone aggro in 3's is pretty manageable nothuing too chronic.
Lar Tadaruwa wrote:
The Sentry drones are not causing more damage but can hit further and are harder to damage and destroy,
Heavy drones waste a lot of time getting to target . As a result there DPS over time is lower than the maximum.
Sentry Drones do slightly less maximum damage than Heavy Drones but do not need to travel to target. As a result the average DPS over a period of time for sentries will usually be higher than for heavies.
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Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2014.06.22 09:47:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Tixx Enaka wrote:How mean are 3's to drones? Drone aggro in 3's is pretty manageable nothuing too chronic. Lar Tadaruwa wrote:
The Sentry drones are not causing more damage but can hit further and are harder to damage and destroy,
... Sentry Drones do slightly less maximum damage than Heavy Drones but do not need to travel to target. ... More so since they both do exactly 64 HP of damage in their respective branch(es).
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
8303
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Posted - 2014.06.22 10:08:00 -
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Lar Tadaruwa wrote:More so since they both do exactly 64 HP of damage in their respective branch(es). It's best to use light drones in missions, mostly to clear out frigate rats. When you get to lvl4, you focus on BS and cruiser rats, let the scouts etc clean up the frigate trash. If you are using a brawler, no need for drone range. If you are sniping and using MJD, best to have some drone range. I don't maximize it myself though, ~50km usually works, and light scouts get there fast and take out the frigs long before they reach me with their tackle.
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Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2014.06.22 10:19:00 -
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I have 55km range and more coming up shortly.
I use medium drones since they do more damage and have more HP. I also use heavy drones especially against cruiser and higher level targets.
I managed to reconnect to my lost drones. I'm now going 1 jump to get salvager while I dropped the MTU. Should be done in a few.
-=-=- Edit: This is where I need the Cap booster for the destroyer.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
8303
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Posted - 2014.06.22 10:32:00 -
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Lar Tadaruwa wrote:I have 55km range and more coming up shortly.
I use medium drones since they do more damage and have more HP. I also use heavy drones especially against cruiser and higher level targets.
I managed to reconnect to my lost drones. I'm now going 1 jump to get salvager while I dropped the MTU. Should be done in a few. I'm mostly firing at 120km+ so it doesn't work for me. I keep some medium EWAR drones but hardly ever need to use them. Light scout drones are absolutely golden against frigate rats, and cruisers and BS's never last long enough to get into drone range. |

Tixx Enaka
I Like Raccoons
0
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Posted - 2014.06.22 14:59:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Tixx Enaka wrote:How mean are 3's to drones? Drone aggro in 3's is pretty manageable nothuing too chronic.
Thanks o7 going to try a worm that has drones faster, almost as tough and more dps than this guy's Harpy. One day try a Gecko. Those seem badass.
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Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2014.06.22 15:56:00 -
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Lol, today is the last day I have to register copyright with the US Copyright office.
I don't have time for the rest since I won't have time for it until after a Thu, June 26, 2014 Deadline.
I was just issued a $90 refund from my bank for 2 NSF charges due to another error from another company.
That other company is investigating but can't resolve the matter, and most likely won't.
If I'm lucky, and put my plans in practice, I will be able to get some method valid of payment. Otherwise, if I get deconcentrated with other suggestions too much, or make mistakes, I may fail.
That registration is important to my life, and I really don't have to explain anymore in the forums.
- - - - I do level 2 mission in an Algos with 4 drones out because I can't enough light drones to run 5 lower bandwidth ones.
The DPS is only about 150 , not even 200. The drones do 65% to 70% of it.
I carry my salvage equipment since I can't buy a ship to run level 3 or 4 safely until after July 2014.
To solve a problem, first find it's conditions. Once you've analysed the conditions accurately enough for the task at hand, and that there it no risk of death or injury to society or other, the solution can be validated. Otherwise, the implementation of a procedure deemed to be a solution can be worst than an act of war.
Just my 2 cents.
Good luck and fly safe. Or don't fly safe, but at least figure it out if you can.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
871
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:29:00 -
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Webvan wrote:I'm mostly firing at 120km+ so it doesn't work for me. I keep some medium EWAR drones but hardly ever need to use them. Light scout drones are absolutely golden against frigate rats, and cruisers and BS's never last long enough to get into drone range. edit: ohhh yeah those lvl3 missions... forgot... meh I don't use drones there. First time I did lvl3's I did it in a Drake, used drones there, but not too much since I had good range on the drake and was more speed tanking ( I <3 speed tanking ). Last time I did lvl3 grinding for standings, I did it in an AF, had no drones, didn't need drones, just crazy easy. You need to blitz to lvl4's, forget about lvl3's   then get yourself umm a raven or something, stick in a MJD, extend your targeting range and snipe them to pieces.
I fire at 100-120km with Bouncers in my Domi (used to be 150km before the OMNI nerf) in level IVs. My Rattlesnake I tend to fire at 50 to 100km.
Blitzed some level 3s recently with the Rattler to balance some standings, only took a couple of minutes per mission. The rattlesnake Gecko is pretty much invulnerable in 3s but does have trouble hitting the fast stuff. With Faction Cruise you lose ISK but that's not a big issue. If I did 3s in a Rattler regularly would probably fit Rapid Heavies instead.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
8343
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Posted - 2014.06.23 03:08:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:
I fire at 100-120km with Bouncers in my Domi (used to be 150km before the OMNI nerf) in level IVs. My Rattlesnake I tend to fire at 50 to 100km.
Blitzed some level 3s recently with the Rattler to balance some standings, only took a couple of minutes per mission. The rattlesnake Gecko is pretty much invulnerable in 3s but does have trouble hitting the fast stuff. With Faction Cruise you lose ISK but that's not a big issue. If I did 3s in a Rattler regularly would probably fit Rapid Heavies instead.
Yeah I've used rapid heavies, they work ok. People don't like the long reload times, but it works out since you need to wait for the waves of little ships to make it in, so plenty of reload time. I haven't used it so much lately though, more when I was brawling, but now just adding more damage at range while letting my drones work frigs that make it in. Rattlesnake is a good brawler, I'm thinking of dropping in the three days of training to use one for brawling, then the additional Gal BS skill levels for the increased damage.
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Chenguang Hucel-Ge
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.06.24 12:06:00 -
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Given that you are caldari, you should have no such thing as "Hard mission" as long as size of your missiles match the enemies encountered. When in doubts, use this guide: http://hussars-online.ru/4images/data/media/15/control_panel_updated.jpg |

Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
12
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Posted - 2014.06.24 22:16:00 -
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A low sp Drake pilot can do all lvl 3 missions easily... |

Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2014.07.01 16:25:00 -
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I just did or almost completed Intercept The Saboteurs, level 3
which gave me a -2.08 Amarr standing however.
I am keeping note of it here (or elsewhere) as I couldn't find info on it in my threads before.
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