It's going thataway. *points in a random direction*

Will science ever invent a microwave that can make both the inside AND the outside of a burrito the same temperature?

Reading the forums would be much more productive if certain posters would spend half the time trying to be productive as they spent to be a smart a$$.

Just saying.....

Will science ever invent a microwave that can make both the inside AND the outside of a burrito the same temperature?

Will the Eve universe ever expand?

Will we ever have additional races added on?

Will there ever be an alien threat?

Reading the forums would be much more productive if certain posters would spend half the time trying to be productive as they spent to be a smart a$$.

Just saying.....

You read GD for productivity?

We are getting the ability to build stargates to Pandaren space.

Will the Eve universe ever expand?

They talked about player-made stargates to new areas at the last two fanfests

Will we ever have additional races added on?

Probably not, it's easier to add pirate factions than races with 50+ ships

Will there ever be an alien threat?

Like the sleepers?

I burn 14 dollar bills in front of the eve login screen on the 1st of every month. The 99 cents goes to the dirty hobo outside mcdonalds. He can do what he wants with it

Will the Eve universe ever expand?
Just exactly how many Solar Systems do you need? I think there's plenty available right now. The only part that needs to expand is the Factional Warfare systems that remain uncontested for a specific amount of time, such as 1 month. Uncontested systems over 1 month old should be turned into high security systems and another low security system becomes a FW system.


DMC

Will the Eve universe ever expand?

Will we ever have additional races added on?

Will there ever be an alien threat?

Go into a wormhole and FIND OUT.


Oh, and sleepers aren't the drones, they just built them. We don't know where the sleepers are. (The most common theory is that they're in cryostasis in their structures, or abandonded their bodies all together) Or maybe they're wherever that **** from the Strange Energy Readings anomaly teleported. Or maybe they're Sansha's forces.

Will the Eve universe ever expand?

Will we ever have additional races added on?

Will there ever be an alien threat?

Entropy is increasing. EVE is heading toward a zero state. EVE is dying.

Entropy is increasing. EVE is heading toward a zero state. EVE is dying.

Where is EVE going? Nullsec, apparently.

The Rubicon plan is to add player built stargates leading to a New Space. Those stargates where introduced as something that large alliances would do, which prompted some to think that they would be a nullsec only business.

Now, Kronos/Crius industry changes are aiming at, literally, making nullsec industry viable so they can build those gates.

Which means that, well, EVE is moving towards nullsec.

Despite CCP Seagull claimed that all playstyles are important, the fact remains that the only new content in development it's a nullsec only business.

CCP bet is that Corporation and Sov changes will make people move to nullsec so they will be there to enjoy the Jesus stargates and the Promised Land behind them. IMHO, that's highly delusional and will cost CCP dearly.

Will the Eve universe ever expand?

Will we ever have additional races added on?

Will there ever be an alien threat?

Will science ever invent a microwave that can make both the inside AND the outside of a burrito the same temperature?

No. In fact, they have removed all meaningful racial difference in attributes, making it a cosmetic choice only.

On "threats".

I doubt there will ever be an overwhelming "alien" threat of any kind.

In this game, players are supposed to be a threat to each other and, well, that's just not always the case.

Any truly game-affecting (changing?) "threat" should be a complete surprise and outside of the control or knowledge of players. Meaning, it doesn't appear beforehand on the test server for 2 weeks giving everyone a warning that effectively defeats the point.

Asteroids slamming into stations, station "fusion plants" going critical, npc sabotage of jumpgates that isolate systems/constellations without notice... the kind of stuff that SHOULD be part of a sci-fi game.

All of which (and more) has, over the years, fallen on deaf ears.

Having 4 competing spaceship MMO games (well, 3 + alpha version) EVE has only one unique feature: territory control warfare. So I guess dear CCP is going to exploit this theme for few more years - till more competitors arrive.

Oh really?

Please do tell of these mysterious games that allow full player freedom

Competition is not about what companies want to sell, but about what customers want to buy.

Competition is not about what companies want to sell, but about what customers want to buy.

Im not sure what that has to do with what I asked

But Id say the majority of players regard the personal freedom in EvE as a major selling point (buying point if you prefer)

Will the Eve universe ever expand?



Will we ever have additional races added on?



Will there ever be an alien threat?

Im not sure what that has to do with what I asked

But Id say the majority of players regard the personal freedom in EvE as a major selling point (buying point if you prefer)

Will it continue to spin while its level slowly drops, but then for no reason backs up suddenly forcing you to grab a plunger and nuts for like no reason?

Will science ever invent a microwave that can make both the inside AND the outside of a burrito the same temperature?

Will Christian Slater ever find gainful employment in something other than poorly written ripoff movies?

And what horrible accident happened to EVE so it lost 20% of its players since last year? Has people stopped buying EVE's uniqueness? Are they buying a better EVE, or just something else?

Or maybe EVE was being bought by essentially the wrong people and now they're departing EVE without a replacement, leaving behind an empty cocoon of players like you?

It is not about what CCP as a company wants to sell, but about what players want to buy. It is obvious that some players want to buy games that are unlike EVE, now that they are being developed, and that may include a lot of the wrong people depicted in the image above... who so far have been 80% of CCP's revenue.

Questions Three;

1) None of what your saying has ANYTHING to do with my question to someone else who claimed there were FOUR COMPETEING games. You seem to claim there are none, so thank you for the support, I guess. Tarpedo said that they thought that EvE's only remaing USP was Sov. Do you agree or disagree?

2) If you are going to state figures, could you please cite evidence to support your assertation of a 20% loss since last year, so I have access to the data you are using as the basis of your position and can answer you on equal terms?

3) I have introduced 5 new players to EvE this year, and on average they are currently running 3 accounts each. How many people have you introduced to the game?

Questions Three;

1) None of what your saying has ANYTHING to do with my question to someone else who claimed there were FOUR COMPETEING games. You seem to claim there are none, so thank you for the support, I guess. Tarpedo said that they thought that EvE's only remaing USP was Sov. Do you agree or disagree?

2) If you are going to state figures, could you please cite evidence to support your assertation of a 20% loss since last year, so I have access to the data you are using as the basis of your position and can answer you on equal terms?

3) I have introduced 5 new players to EvE this year, and on average they are currently running 3 accounts each. How many people have you introduced to the game?

Any game that a potential player may play instead of EVE it's a competitor to EVE. The fact that EVE is unique doesn't means that can't be competed with by delivering a different product.

And that is a relevant point because...?

People need to realise that the PCU count does not indicate number of subs.

The 2 are completely different.

For example, I have 4 accounts but have only logged on once with one account during the last 2 days to update a skill queue. I will not long again for another 2 days.

So I have effected the PCU count not logging each day on with my 4 accounts yet I am still paying subs for 4 accounts.

See?

Now okay you could argue that a dropping PCU over a sustained period of time is not good as it shows people are losing interest, however it does not necessary mean subscriptions are down.

We all know that many people go though various length of times not actively playing Eve but keep their subscriptions active in order to keep earning SP.

With the end of the last War chances are many null sec pilots are feeling a little burnt out and are taking breaks, however they will most likely keep their actives active.

Again this will effect the PCU count but not the numbers regarding subs.

Now I have pointed out in the other threads that CCP suddenly going shy about subs numbers could be a indication that subs have dropped, but note the could in the sentence. MMO Developers have always been very secretive about their subscription numbers, good or bad. CCP might of just changed their philosophy and are now following others in this.

As for any will any of the other up and coming space themed MMO's effect Eve, of course they could, to argue otherwise is silly, anything is possible however will we only know for sure when those games are released.

Until they are released it is all just speculation, nothing more.

I have always said that the most likely reason for Eve dying will be CCP and not any other game.

My main concern is and will be that they are still trying to do much in regards to developing so many things at the same time and their track record in this department is awful. I have yet to see anything yet from CCP that gives me any encouragement things will change.

I do hope things do change as I want CCP to succeed and Eve to go from strength to strength.

Rather than fix what's been wrong for years (players who take a certain path in game meet a dead end after two years and quit -fix: remove the dead end!), they bet that improving what is good will keep players interested, and thus it makes sense to lure/drive players into the right content. FAI, by making NEW content accessible only if you play the game "right" -no 2 year quitters allowed, if that doens't pushes them outside of their comfort zone...

Yet meanwhile, what are 2 year quitters going to do? They'll be taking their money elsewhere. And not just burned out guys like me, but also potential 2 year quitters who join EVE now and meet its hostile environment. If there is a point in the last 11 years were giving EVE a second chance made no sense, it is now, when there are alternatives.

I do hope things do change as I want CCP to succeed and Eve to go from strength to strength.

Eve did well enough with 5000 people

I dont care if its 500, 5000 or 5 million

Ill still pay my subs and still enjoy the game

The only thing that could harm that is Elite: Dangerous offering as free a universe and I cant see that hip hap happening, daddio

Or CCP losing the income needed to keep the current build of Tranquility online. You know, games like Ultima Online will live as long as someone can install a server build on his home PC -and it works fine as all in all UO was coded to run on a 1997-era server.

But EVE's Tranquility... well, it's quite a different beast. You can't downsize an elephant, did you know?

Eve did well enough with 5000 people

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Honestly, it gets repeated over and over, but the answer remains the same. The problem is not us, or CCP, or the game. It's you.

Or CCP losing the income needed to keep the current build of Tranquility online. You know, games like Ultima Online will live as long as someone can install a server build on his home PC -and it works fine as all in all UO was coded to run on a 1997-era server.

But EVE's Tranquility... well, it's quite a different beast. You can't downsize an elephant, did you know?

That's true, actually.

See, from my RL trade, I have first-hand experience on terrible customers.

And you and me are right

it's their problem to want something they can't afford. But as a paid professional, it's my problem to find something they can afford, because I can't push a button and order a batch of wealthier customers, and if the customers I have don't give me their money, things get worst for me than for them. As I, like CCP, sell something nobody *needs* to buy...

.... hopefully they can do something workable with Legion and Valkyrie.

Where is EVE going? Nullsec, apparently.

The Rubicon plan is to add player built stargates leading to a New Space. Those stargates where introduced as something that large alliances would do, which prompted some to think that they would be a nullsec only business.

Now, Kronos/Crius industry changes are aiming at, literally, making nullsec industry viable so they can build those gates.

Which means that, well, EVE is moving towards nullsec.

Despite CCP Seagull claimed that all playstyles are important, the fact remains that the only new content in development it's a nullsec only business.

CCP bet is that Corporation and Sov changes will make people move to nullsec so they will be there to enjoy the Jesus stargates and the Promised Land behind them. IMHO, that's highly delusional and will cost CCP dearly.

Eh, considering subs are going up on Tranquility and Serenity both, I don't think they need to downsize. Hopefully they can do something workable with Legion and Valkyrie.

At least Dust gets now (far too late) a lot of sorely needed bugfixes and balances. It's a bit like CCP has fired all the dead weight. (Or the dead weight is now working on Legion. ****, hopefully not.)

I just hope they succeed in their future "3 games, 1 character, 1 account" idea to access thsoe 3 games, if only because that means at some point they mightt ake integration to its highest level between the 3 (and of course this is talking about WAY down the road, like 3rd decade or something). God knows it'd be a seller, do you know how many people in Planetside 2 wish their outfit could own an orbital ship to send supplies/vehicles/drop-pods/artillery to the battlefield, and do zero-G fighting with other ships, light assaults darting along the surface of the ships with fighters blaring overhead? Alot of them want it, SOE just doesnt want to put money into PS2 anymore. But its something I hope EVE has someday, complete integration, if only because I still believe what CCP said a long time ago, that EVE should be the ONLY scifi game you would need for ANY experience or playstyle.

3 games on 1 account better not make my subscription costs go up. I'd be fine with having to pay for access (OTO or subscription, I don't care) for Legion and Valkyrie but not with increased subscription fee and automatic access to all three.

if they do it that way, but from what i understand legion will be ftp and we have no idea how valk works yet, they should do an ala cart thing

i.e. $15 a month for eve

$10/15 for legion

$10/15 for valk

$30 (or something) for all 3.

So you could pick and chose what you want to play, and get a huge discount to do all 3. Esp if legion is FTP anyway.

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In a profit driven enterprise some types of business do cave in to the lowest common denominator. CCP haven't, yet. People keep referring to the shareholders, but Hilmar is the biggest I think (?) and he's still operationally in charge of the business. Looking at those layoffs with a cynical eye you might say they were mistreated, but part of me thinks they were retained way past the point they should have been. Which is a sign of something rare, regardless of the internal politics.

If you want CCP to sell out to cater to the masses, just say so. Then we can really flay you.

The lowest MMO players stay in any games for three months. There are hordes of those players and lots of games engineered to run on three-monthers.

But anyone who stays in EVE for two years is well ahead of the lowest common denominator. It takes time and effort to master any aspect of EVE, just some aspects lead to dead ends, and that is not inmediately obvious when a player starts his career.

And those dead ends are CCP's fault. They cost CCP dearly in terms of failed retention of veterans. Why spend the effort to keep someone subscribed for two years, and then just let him burn out and quit?

"Thanks for the two years, your multiple accounts and all the money, but now you can get lost because you've been playing the wrong game all along and that's your fault".

That works when people queues for the privilege to start their two-year careers. But that's not the case any longer. It would had been wise to figure this out earlier and expand the game to retain that 80% of players, rather than cope with losses, layoffs and all what it will take to turn the incoming failure into a resurrection.

Will Christian Slater ever find gainful employment in something other than poorly written ripoff movies?

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Will science ever invent a microwave that can make both the inside AND the outside of a burrito the same temperature?

Will Christian Slater ever find gainful employment in something other than poorly written ripoff movies?

The lowest MMO players stay in any games for three months. There are hordes of those players and lots of games engineered to run on three-monthers.

But anyone who stays in EVE for two years is well ahead of the lowest common denominator. It takes time and effort to master any aspect of EVE, just some aspects lead to dead ends, and that is not inmediately obvious when a player starts his career.

And those dead ends are CCP's fault. They cost CCP dearly in terms of failed retention of veterans. Why spend the effort to keep someone subscribed for two years, and then just let him burn out and quit?

"Thanks for the two years, your multiple accounts and all the money, but now you can get lost because you've been playing the wrong game all along and that's your fault".

That works when people queues for the privilege to start their two-year careers. But that's not the case any longer. It would had been wise to figure this out earlier and expand the game to retain that 80% of players, rather than cope with losses, layoffs and all what it will take to turn the incoming failure into a resurrection.

And thus you shine a light on CCP's rather horrid trap/excuse, when questioned about a lack of content, expect the die-hard, rabid PvP fans make the argument FOR keeping development out of that particular aspect because it is not 'hardcore' (as if games could truly be hardcore :eyerolls:) , or painting it as some sort of WoW-clone idea. Kind of sick, but that is the nature of the environment. I just work on doing good in the way I can, and enjoying the game in other ways. I've just been nerding out on market things.... though I wish there was more to mining, exploration, and other things. :D

We are getting the ability to build stargates to Pandaren space.

where there really are carebears

What's Pandaren?

apparently ccp wants us to leave the new edan galaxy all together

EVE has the virtue of going where WE take it.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2014/06/05/eve-online-studio-ccp-games-lays-off-49-employees/?ns_campaign=article-feed&ns_mchannel=ref&ns_source=steam&ns_linkname=0&ns_fee=0


I dunno, OP. You tell me.

Strictly not true. We can only take it within the confines of the walls (every sandbox has walls) CCP put up and with the tools CCP gives us.

The better tools we are given then the more fun we can have

Better tools? Not necessarily; just more varied and useful to more players.

thats what better tools means. tools that accomplish a more wide variety of tasks that are more accessible to the average player.

kinda like how you can have an official map editor for a game so anyone can make a map decently, whereas others dont have one and require a core of very experienced players to be the only ones capable of making anything decent because they are the only ones who can figure out the minimal tools.

Earlier in this same thread, I suggested some of those "better tools", just they were deemed terrible because they would allow too many people to do too many things...