In a game that is dependant on numbers and being part of a group, yet promoting general asshattery and paranoia of everyone, seems like a contradiction.

So... does that make it easy or hard?

Neither, it makes people avoid player interaction. Which is why there are so many solo miners/missionaries, 1man corps, NPC corp players, and alts.

Good old days in Ultima Online. I miss them. And whenever i see stupid gatecamps in EvE, ppl camping for half a day waiting some shuttles to pass through and **** them with 5+ ships, i feel sad. Ultima Online PvP was really intense and ppl cared unlike here in EvE ppl must be horrible bored and lowskilled to camp and **** others like some stupid cowards and jita scam spam chat shows best how the community in EvE looks like.
I wished the internet never had become so mainstream as it is today and i could enjoy my time online with AOL 56k with some nice ppl, without all those stupidos and especially playing Ultima Online with some legendary ppl.
But no time changes so i got into EvE, playing alone of course since the community makes me vomit. At least its not as bad as the lol community. But what i really dislike are cowards, wannabe pvp elitists and yeah scam chat for having nothing better to do than talking **** in chat. Bring back UO :((

Neither, it makes people avoid player interaction. Which is why there are so many solo miners/missionaries, 1man corps, NPC corp players, and alts.

Wow that comment section... so many crushed dreams and wasted lives.

Still its heartening to know that there's still places on the internet where bitter ex-L2 and FFXI players can vomit elf semen on each other all day.

Often forgotten is the fact that Everquest was originally a bit of a cult MMO, it was pretty hardcore in that you had to work as a team and it was quite hard plus death hurt, if someone screwed up you could all die. If you died you could lose all your stuff or have to run a long way for it or somehow get it summoned and then rezed to regain some exp, sometimes this was a quest in itself.

It had devastating raids, stuff the developers never expected players to beat. Most of all it had some of the first big fun and organised player organisations which then defeated everything the developers tried to throw at them and you can trace this to eve I think this culture is still alive today.

I think " Dayz" is moving in the right direction as a hardcore game. You really restart from scratch when you die. I died twice yet and it is frustrating, but you have the same adrenaline kick as EVE.
Stil in alfa though.

Spaceships are serious business!

I think " Dayz" is moving in the right direction as a hardcore game. You really restart from scratch when you die. I died twice yet and it is frustrating, but you have the same adrenaline kick as EVE.
Stil in alfa though.

Lineage 2 used to put this game to shame when it came to being hardcore.

FFA pvp everywhere outside of towns. No instances no deadsites just massive dungeons with massive pvp at any moment. Death means lost experience (you could delevel). Die to a mob (which most classes could train on to others) and not only would you lose experience but you would also drop items including that super rare +10 item you broke 20 versions of to get. One death could cost you a weeks worth of leveling (not even the bots were max level). Fighting bosses usually involved fighting other parties while fighting the boss. Not to mention castle sieges and stuff. That game was hardcore in ways eve could never imagine.

Lineage 2 used to put this game to shame when it came to being hardcore.

FFA pvp everywhere outside of towns. No instances no deadsites just massive dungeons with massive pvp at any moment. Death means lost experience (you could delevel). Die to a mob (which most classes could train on to others) and not only would you lose experience but you would also drop items including that super rare +10 item you broke 20 versions of to get. One death could cost you a weeks worth of leveling (not even the bots were max level). Fighting bosses usually involved fighting other parties while fighting the boss. Not to mention castle sieges and stuff. That game was hardcore in ways eve could never imagine.

And for those that still say that EVE is hardcore due to permanent ship loss, you can just buy everything back with PLEX?

Maybe, but there's a LOT of crying about how unfair being killed is by a LOT of people

"newbie accessible"

There is crying in lots of MMOs. Anyone who cries about losing a ship is probably relatively new or just lazy. Simply ratting a few hours each week gives enough money to replace most ships, and if you do lose a billion isk ship and can't replace it, it is your own fault for buying it before you can afford it. If you cant replace it a few times over, you should not fly it.

SO you agree someone not familiar with it would consider it hardcore

Hench the list

Case closed

Hi guys and gals, I was missing you all.

I'm ashamed of not being that loyal customer I would like to be, and here I am, again, playing the game I love since 2006. This time was a 6 month break and I would like to share what I saw yesterday in MMORPG.com:

The List: The Top 5 Hardcore MMORPGs

I didn't play the other games on the list but I agree with him about EVE and was one of the things that made me look for my account management page and reactivate my subscription.

But the fact is:

I really love this game, no matter family/friends/medical advice to avoid it, joke, no medical advice (yet)... I have to say, honestly, I was worried with CCP layoffs on Atlanta but knowing that the focus is back on EVE is very comforting.

I don't know if my signature is showing as this is the 1st post after a long time, but I'm ready for the trolls, if they come, and all are welcome to put any additional thoughts.

Not really case closed. Is the game complex and confusing to a new player? Hell Yes. Is once you play the game for a few months is it really that much more hard core than other MMOs? No it is not.

Giving the ILLUSION of being hard core due to a confusing new player tutorial system and excessive hype due to losing ships, is not the same thing as ACTUALLY being hard core.