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Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.15 06:19:00 -
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Hi guys and gals, I was missing you all.
I'm ashamed of not being that loyal customer I would like to be, and here I am, again, playing the game I love since 2006. This time was a 6 month break and I would like to share what I saw yesterday in MMORPG.com:
The List: The Top 5 Hardcore MMORPGs
I didn't play the other games on the list but I agree with him about EVE and was one of the things that made me look for my account management page and reactivate my subscription.
But the fact is:
I really love this game, no matter family/friends/medical advice to avoid it, joke, no medical advice (yet)... I have to say, honestly, I was worried with CCP layoffs on Atlanta but knowing that the focus is back on EVE is very comforting.
I don't know if my signature is showing as this is the 1st post after a long time, but I'm ready for the trolls, if they come, and all are welcome to put any additional thoughts.
If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD) |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1635
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Posted - 2014.06.15 06:22:00 -
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Should be mandatory to read the description of EVE in the article prior to posting on GD:
Quote:Now, all this praise for older games aside, if youGÇÖre looking for the ultimate hardcore MMO experience in todayGÇÖs world, look no further than EVE Online. This game truly defines what it means to be a hardcore, epic, sandbox MMO experience. Make no mistake GÇô this game is far from being a game for everyone. In fact, I am positive that the developers and players pride themselves on their membership in an elite club of people that share a common desire to make each otherGÇÖs lives as miserable as possible, but have fun while doing so.
.. when everything else is gone .. |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
8018
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Posted - 2014.06.15 06:37:00 -
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I've played all of those apart from darkfall. They are all hardcore... though all revamped to be silly newbish hand holding games not worth a dime to any true hardcore mmo player, apart from EVE which is. So I don't agree with the article at all other than it's historic value.
I'd replace Darkfall (I think - never played it) with either Meridian 59 or SWG pre-nge/cu. In fact I'd say EVE and Meridian 59 are about the only hardcore mmo's left really.
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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.06.15 06:49:00 -
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I can't say i'm surprised.
what happens when you die? you lose all of your ****, no respawn immunity for you, no participation medal, just an empty hangar in a cold station.
you did something dumb like singing on teamspeak and giving all of your items away? no, the gm's won't reimburse your stupidity like in other games, you're **** out of luck and back at square one. (they will reimburse your SP if you tell them you've broken the rules and shared your account, though).
this game is wholly unforgiving and outright cruel at times. however, in an age of "little timmy gets a gold trophy for not dribbling on his shoes", i like that. |
ashley Eoner
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Posted - 2014.06.15 06:50:00 -
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Bloody Slave wrote:Hi guys and gals, I was missing you all. I'm ashamed of not being that loyal customer I would like to be, and here I am, again, playing the game I love since 2006. This time was a 6 month break and I would like to share what I saw yesterday in MMORPG.com: The List: The Top 5 Hardcore MMORPGsI didn't play the other games on the list but I agree with him about EVE and was one of the things that made me look for my account management page and reactivate my subscription. But the fact is: I really love this game, no matter family/friends/medical advice to avoid it, joke, no medical advice (yet)... I have to say, honestly, I was worried with CCP layoffs on Atlanta but knowing that the focus is back on EVE is very comforting. I don't know if my signature is showing as this is the 1st post after a long time, but I'm ready for the trolls, if they come, and all are welcome to put any additional thoughts.
Lineage 2 used to put this game to shame when it came to being hardcore.
FFA pvp everywhere outside of towns. No instances no deadsites just massive dungeons with massive pvp at any moment. Death means lost experience (you could delevel). Die to a mob (which most classes could train on to others) and not only would you lose experience but you would also drop items including that super rare +10 item you broke 20 versions of to get. One death could cost you a weeks worth of leveling (not even the bots were max level). Fighting bosses usually involved fighting other parties while fighting the boss. Not to mention castle sieges and stuff. That game was hardcore in ways eve could never imagine. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
12045
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Posted - 2014.06.15 06:51:00 -
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Spaceships are serious business!
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Rowells
Unknown Soldiers
Fidelas Constans
784
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Posted - 2014.06.15 06:51:00 -
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"In fact, I am positive that the developers and players pride themselves on their membership in an elite club of people that share a common desire to make each otherGÇÖs lives as miserable as possible, but have fun while doing so."
Couldn't of said it better myself. Eve is love, Eve is life. |
Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
82
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Posted - 2014.06.15 06:57:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Spaceships are serious business!
LoL, Chribba, I din't mention your name to ring that bell... How did I get your attention, Sir? Is there a bell ringing when someone else says love the game?
Yeah, serious business. 
If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD) |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
2294
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Posted - 2014.06.15 07:12:00 -
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And yet, it's full of cowards and idiots who try to go the easiest routes possible.
Hilarious.
The case of the bottomless dress.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
- Cowards deserve punishment -
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Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
82
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Posted - 2014.06.15 07:13:00 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:Bloody Slave wrote:Hi guys and gals, I was missing you all. I'm ashamed of not being that loyal customer I would like to be, and here I am, again, playing the game I love since 2006. This time was a 6 month break and I would like to share what I saw yesterday in MMORPG.com: The List: The Top 5 Hardcore MMORPGsI didn't play the other games on the list but I agree with him about EVE and was one of the things that made me look for my account management page and reactivate my subscription. But the fact is: I really love this game, no matter family/friends/medical advice to avoid it, joke, no medical advice (yet)... I have to say, honestly, I was worried with CCP layoffs on Atlanta but knowing that the focus is back on EVE is very comforting. I don't know if my signature is showing as this is the 1st post after a long time, but I'm ready for the trolls, if they come, and all are welcome to put any additional thoughts. Lineage 2 used to put this game to shame when it came to being hardcore. FFA pvp everywhere outside of towns. No instances no deadsites just massive dungeons with massive pvp at any moment. Death means lost experience (you could delevel). Die to a mob (which most classes could train on to others) and not only would you lose experience but you would also drop items including that super rare +10 item you broke 20 versions of to get. One death could cost you a weeks worth of leveling (not even the bots were max level). Fighting bosses usually involved fighting other parties while fighting the boss. Not to mention castle sieges and stuff. That game was hardcore in ways eve could never imagine.
Hmmm... I'm wondering if we are playing the same game or if EVE changed that much in the last 6 months I was away.
Yeah, yeah, some things are easier nowadays but I do remember playing for 3 months to be able to buy my 1st battleship, back in 2006 and losing it at that most happy week of my gaming life... My eyes still fill with tears.
If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD) |
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James Archon
Beyond the Great Unknown
3
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Posted - 2014.06.15 09:17:00 -
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Bloody Slave wrote:
I have to say, honestly, I was worried with CCP layoffs on Atlanta but knowing that the focus is back on EVE is very comforting.
Sorry to dissapoint you, but atm they are focusing on "EvE:Valkery" and "EvE:Legion". They have not learned from their mistakes, and they will most likly not be able to uphold their New release dates. Welcome back tho :) |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5377
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Posted - 2014.06.15 09:22:00 -
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Yes, it is, and not just because its the only one not a generic fantasy cookie-cutter lack of imagination dullfest
"If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon.
"How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Marc Durant
16
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Posted - 2014.06.15 09:36:00 -
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One of the replies;
Quote:Nanfoodle writes:
Im shocked WoW didnt make that list, this is a game where the devs admit that only about 1% of the players see all the content.
/facedesk |
Dave Stark
6364
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Posted - 2014.06.15 09:39:00 -
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Marc Durant wrote:One of the replies; Quote:Nanfoodle writes:
Im shocked WoW didnt make that list, this is a game where the devs admit that only about 1% of the players see all the content. /facedesk
probably because 99% of the playerbase are little timmy drooling on his shoes. |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
232
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Posted - 2014.06.15 09:51:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Marc Durant wrote:One of the replies; Quote:Nanfoodle writes:
Im shocked WoW didnt make that list, this is a game where the devs admit that only about 1% of the players see all the content. /facedesk probably because 99% of the playerbase are little timmy drooling on his shoes.
Wow doesn't need you to use your brain. |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
8024
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Posted - 2014.06.15 10:18:00 -
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Marc Durant wrote:One of the replies; Quote:Nanfoodle writes:
Im shocked WoW didnt make that list, this is a game where the devs admit that only about 1% of the players see all the content. /facedesk
it's mmorpg dot com, after you have been banned enough times for making sense, you'll start to understand.
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Pine Marten
Viziam
Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2014.06.15 13:04:00 -
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James Archon wrote:Bloody Slave wrote:
I have to say, honestly, I was worried with CCP layoffs on Atlanta but knowing that the focus is back on EVE is very comforting.
Sorry to dissapoint you, but atm they are focusing on "EvE:Valkery" and "EvE:Legion". They have not learned from their mistakes, and they will most likly not be able to uphold their New release dates. Welcome back tho :)
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Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
366
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Posted - 2014.06.15 13:15:00 -
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If it is only about losing gear, then yes, EVE is quite hardcore and possibly on the top. But since we have clones (even if we have to update them) and cannot be permanently killed, EVE is not hardcore in my book. I haven't played any such MMORPG though (NWN servers with permadeath rules do not count, neither does Nether as the server sizes are so small), nor do I know any of them. Gear losing is usually enough for me, so EVE is just perfect.
As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting".
-CCP Aporia |
Ursula Thrace
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
235
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Posted - 2014.06.15 13:24:00 -
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i've never played everquest, but was it considered a hardcore game? from my understanding, it was the first mmo geared towards the masses, but never heard anything about it being hardcore. any former players want to explain what it was like?
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
7048
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Posted - 2014.06.15 13:27:00 -
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I see that the MMO community at large still equates "pointless grind" with "hardcore".
Also, dammit. You made me all nostalgic for Ultima Online again. Now those were the days.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1974
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Posted - 2014.06.15 13:31:00 -
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James Archon wrote:Bloody Slave wrote:
I have to say, honestly, I was worried with CCP layoffs on Atlanta but knowing that the focus is back on EVE is very comforting.
Sorry to dissapoint you, but atm they are focusing on "EvE:Valkery" and "EvE:Legion". They have not learned from their mistakes, and they will most likly not be able to uphold their New release dates. Welcome back tho :)
Yeah, you can see this in the massive industry changes, two new pirate factions, perpetual balancing, ui tweaking and graphics additions.....no focus at all.
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6193
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Posted - 2014.06.15 13:43:00 -
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I, too, agree with the laser focus on Dust.
Wonder if we might see a Walking On Planets (totally different from Walking In Stations)
Though, every now and then, you do see the "magic pvp arena (ps: only pvp in area tks)" suggestions pop up.
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Boomhaur
199
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Posted - 2014.06.15 14:01:00 -
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Wait were the most hardcore MMO out there? We don't have perma-death. Yeah were all evil sick sadistic bastards who will take advantage of you at even the slightest opportunity. I will also own up we lie, cheat, steal, scam, manipulate, exploit, kill, etc and the GM's are fine with that as long as we keep it in game and use game mechanics for the most part, but there is no perma-death.
Eve has nothing on Monopoly when me and a couple of my buddies play. One of whom is the guy who got me to join Eve and well lets just say we almost broke a few friendships from playing Monopoly and seen a few fights almost break out. The rulebook has never said anything about not forging alliances . And when you have 2 eve players in a room who can see what the other is doing you don't need to communicate to know what they are planning on doing so you can work together effectively, lets just say no one has ever came close to beating us. And they knew in advance alliances are allowed, they just aren't evil enough to compete.
I say they should bring out Monopoly at the Eve Vegas event and sit back and watch the fireworks, I bet that be interesting to watch or play.
Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
2299
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Posted - 2014.06.15 14:03:00 -
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If it's not the hardest, most complex, deepest and most meaningfull in terms of player impact,
then I'd like to know what else to play.
Thanks!
The case of the bottomless dress.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
- Cowards deserve punishment -
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6193
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Posted - 2014.06.15 14:21:00 -
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Boomhaur wrote:The rulebook has never said anything about not forging alliances
I see... Blobbers.
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Xorth Adimus
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Legion
40
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Posted - 2014.06.15 14:37:00 -
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Ursula Thrace wrote:i've never played everquest, but was it considered a hardcore game? from my understanding, it was the first mmo geared towards the masses, but never heard anything about it being hardcore. any former players want to explain what it was like?
I have played a number of MMOs and games going back to diku muds and other such dark terrible things.
Often forgotten is the fact that Everquest was originally a bit of a cult MMO, it was pretty hardcore in that you had to work as a team and it was quite hard plus death hurt, if someone screwed up you could all die. If you died you could lose all your stuff or have to run a long way for it or somehow get it summoned and then rezed to regain some exp, sometimes this was a quest in itself.
It had player run markets and item creation it had PVP options and some (nasty and hard) PVP servers which basically had areas similar to gatecamps in eve and some of your stuff could be looted, making a run through these was hectic experience.
It had devastating raids, stuff the developers never expected players to beat. Most of all it had some of the first big fun and organised player organisations which then defeated everything the developers tried to throw at them and you can trace this to eve I think this culture is still alive today.
Unfortunately later on they (SOE *SPIT*) started making it easier and 'gearing it towards the masses' they also started milking people with subscription PLUS crap expansions you basically had to pay for to keep playing competitively/ actively that added more and more rewards advantages and made the game far less challenging. It pretty much became what most crappy MMOs are today.
So when eve said 'never pay for expansions' this was why. When older players get upset over pay to win /dumbing down / grindfests this is why. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
973
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Posted - 2014.06.15 14:47:00 -
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I roll my eyes a little every time I see a video game referred to as "hardcore". The ruleset is a little less forgiving than the industry standard. You weren't thrown in a steel cage with 3 hungry lions.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Velarra
300
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Posted - 2014.06.15 14:49:00 -
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'Am surprised http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_Online didn't make the article. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5389
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Posted - 2014.06.15 14:49:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:I roll my eyes a little every time I see a video game referred to as "hardcore". The ruleset is a little less forgiving than the industry standard. You weren't tied to a pole in a steel cage with 3 horny lions.
FTFY
"If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon.
"How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5389
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Posted - 2014.06.15 14:50:00 -
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Weak
Hardcore Mode: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Ghouls_%27n_Ghosts
"If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon.
"How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
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